Pro M Setup: How aggressive do you get with K City Level?

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I'm 4 months into Pro M ownership and enjoying it so far. Ran it on the default settings for a while just to get a feel for it. Now starting to play around with settings. Police do use K band here, but there are a lot of door openers etc that give K falses.

How high have you gone with K City Level and still gotten adequate K warning for legitimate threats at around-town speeds (say ~50 and under)?

I have K TS Rej on "High" and K "Narrow". Currently K City is on 5, which keeps it pretty quiet but not totally false-free in city mode. While experimenting I have the Auto City high speed set at 40mph. There are places around here where a ticket for ~42 in an artificially low 30mph zone is a real consideration.
 

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Depends where you are.
My recommendations?

A/C mode
10/50 mph
X0/K7/Ka0
X off/ K SNarrow/ Ka Narrow
TSRej low

Your not going to be able to filter everything out 100% of the time. Mazda’s have been bad just because they sit right at 24.125. Same spot as the low powered Raptor radar guns.

You can play with the lower threshold when your in shopping center parking lots. Maybe 10 mph isn’t enough for you?

I haven’t tested it for a while but K7 should still give you about 1200/1800 feet of detection. If your under 50 mph, that should give you more than ample time to slowdown before your in the kill zone unless it’s I/O and your the only car on the road..... then not much is going to help you.

Just remember, once you get above that upper threshold setting, the only thing active will be the TSREJ to tone down the k band false’s
 

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Thanks, that's some great info.

Lower threshold: I have it at 15 and am pretty happy with that at the moment.
I have TSRej on high. From what I gathered in my research, that gives the best BSM rejection, which was a major consideration.
My K width is on "Narrow" rather than "Snarrow". Coming from a non-bluetooth V1, I'm not super well versed in the nuances of frequencies, so I just took the recommended setting there. Will have to look into pros and cons on that a bit more.
50 seems like a good mph for the crossover, I'll probably work up to that as I get comfortable.

Understood about I/O. Always a threat lurking in the back of one's mind. One of my old V1's most heroic saves was I/O Ka in sparse traffic (no cars in sight but luckily just near enough) at a spot where the limit dropped from 70 to 55 abruptly and non-intuitively. But I digress...

And yeah, once it kicks into highway mode above the upper MPH limit K City Level becomes moot. Which is OK. I ran it in pure highway mode for a few days just to get the "unfiltered" experience, and it really wasn't too bad even around town.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I realize this section is very Theia-focused right now ;)
 

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I must live in a much quieter environment than you.
Pro M falses are extremely rare for me.
I do have a few new K Band RCMP cruisers to deal with.
Just reviewed all settings after updating Pro M last night.
City Setting K3
Auto City 50kph - 90kph
K Narrow
TS Rej Low (High impacts K sensitivity a noticable amount even on Highway mode in testing)
Speed for radar alert 20kph
Still need lockouts for those strong door openers in my usual locations.

Edit: I forgot about SNarrow K setting. I could run that too as the only K encounters have been 24.125 and 24.150.
 
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I just recommend TSRej on Low because it's still active when your above the upper threshold and still might want the range for k band alerts.

It's not specifically for BSM's from other cars, but for the door openers you drive by, from gas stations, strip malls, or convenience stores when your on the highway/freeway.

The Pro-M is generally very quiet.

I haven't done a test on the effects that TSRej or how much detection distance is lost as you increase the K band filter in quite a few FW's now.

If I remember, it was FW 4 maybe?

In city mode. K0 was getting me 7000'? K9 cut it down to 1500'. We're now on FW21 so that was a lot of changes ago since I had done that test.

I think I also tested TSRej back then too. On low I had lost 100' and then when I switched to high, I lost another 163' doe a total of 263 feet.

Like I said.... that was quite a while ago. I might have to try it out again and compare notes of the changes.
 

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I must live in a much quieter environment than you.
You almost surely do. I live right near downtown, my work commute (when the virus quarantine is over) is through a commercial corridor, and there's a hospital nearby. I use manual lockouts for the worst offenders (including 4(!) permanent K band speed signs along my normal route), but other parts of town are similarly infested, and sometimes there will be several short-ranged sources near each other that hit differently depending on the direction of your approach and it becomes tricky to add them all.

With all of that said, the Pro M is certainly quiet and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I'd be fine running factory settings. But I like to tinker a bit and optimize. I feel like the Pro M's niche is to be highly effective but at the same time low-key and unassuming. Small form factor, simple display, no arrows, quiet out of the box. Range really good but not necessarily the absolute top. So I'm trying to accentuate the already-excellent quietness and don't mind giving up a bit of range in city mode.
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I just recommend TSRej on Low because it's still active when your above the upper threshold and still might want the range for k band alerts.

It's not specifically for BSM's from other cars, but for the door openers you drive by, from gas stations, strip malls, or convenience stores when your on the highway/freeway.
Good info to consider. The Vortex guide indicate that "High" was needed to filter out Honda/Acura, which are popular cars around here. But i might play with Low and see how it works for me.

The Pro-M is generally very quiet.
Agreed. Main reason I chose it, along with an appreciation for the company itself.

I haven't done a test on the effects that TSRej or how much detection distance is lost as you increase the K band filter in quite a few FW's now.
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Like I said.... that was quite a while ago. I might have to try it out again and compare notes of the changes.
Would make a great post if you did. :D
 
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Look at these tests I performed comparing Pro M K band against others.
The first thread details the difference between TS Rej high, low, off sensitivity that I found.
 

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@DC Fluid That is a pretty noticeable difference on the 2 "high" runs that didn't get the early sniff. Could be a difference maker vs I/O K, although I/O here tends to be Ka.

Still, you've inspired me to give "Low" a try. Maybe when the virus hijinks are over I'll switch over so I can get a feel for what it's like in traffic. If I can live with it as far as falses, those results look nice: minimal range drop vs "off" but longer more consistent range vs "high".
 

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I've run TS Rej low ever since that test with no adverse alerting.
Auto City has been good at K3 since new.
K SNarrow is another option for less falsing.
Your City K sensitivity has enough options. I don't know at what setting you would prefer K at vs. TS Rej high.....
 

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I'm 4 months into Pro M ownership and enjoying it so far. Ran it on the default settings for a while just to get a feel for it. Now starting to play around with settings. Police do use K band here, but there are a lot of door openers etc that give K falses.

How high have you gone with K City Level and still gotten adequate K warning for legitimate threats at around-town speeds (say ~50 and under)?

I have K TS Rej on "High" and K "Narrow". Currently K City is on 5, which keeps it pretty quiet but not totally false-free in city mode. While experimenting I have the Auto City high speed set at 40mph. There are places around here where a ticket for ~42 in an artificially low 30mph zone is a real consideration.
fwiw, police do not use K locally here, but after firmware update I did notice a few false K I had not seen before on what I assume are default settings. First drive after update. Not a complaint, just observation, will tweak over time as needed.
I don't know enough to comment on suggested setting levels.
 

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Don’t worry about Honda’s and Acura’s with the Pro-M. You could run wide open and no filtering.

It’s really only some older Mazda CX’ 3’s and now it’s the Mazda CX5’s.

If you don’t use MRCD... try it. There’s very few vehicles that will false the Pro-M.

Now, if you need to run MRCD.... I have a list that will cause MRCD false’s to the Pro-M.
 

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If you don’t use MRCD... try it. There’s very few vehicles that will false the Pro-M.

Now, if you need to run MRCD.... I have a list that will cause MRCD false’s to the Pro-M.
I would love your list. Here in Scottsdale, MT alerts are annoying. I can be in the middle of a reservation passing thru and it's going off. I have MRCD narrow, MRCT-narrow, MR filter on. We have red light cameras and Redflex here.
 

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I would love your list. Here in Scottsdale, MT alerts are annoying. I can be in the middle of a reservation passing thru and it's going off. I have MRCD narrow, MRCT-narrow, MR filter on. We have red light cameras and Redflex here.
Like I said. I do not turn MRCT on due to the large amount of false’s.

Our MRCT is strictly Red Light Cameras which are largely covered by the Data base. I do not rely on any of the detectors in my arsenal to the MRCT RLC’s cameras as none really do a good job at detecting them. Escort, Uniden, or Radenso.

If you do need to have MRCD turned on, there are quite a few vehicles that will cause MRCD BSM false’s.

Theses are the most common in my area.

2018+ Ford Superduty Lariat and Platinum trucks.
New 2018+Nissan Rogue’s ( certain trims)
2019+ Lexus LX350’s and other high end brand new trims.
Some Subaru cars with “Eye Sight” option.
Toyota Highlander’s

Ka 34.7 false’s
2018+ Jeep Grand Cherokee Overlander and other high trims with adaptive cruise control or cross collision avoidance system. I can’t figure which.

K band.
Mazda CX-3 ?-2016/7 not all
Mazda CX-5 2017- present.

There might be a few I missed, but this would be the most prevalent.
 

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Depends where you are.
My recommendations?

A/C mode
10/50 mph
X0/K7/Ka0
X off/ K SNarrow/ Ka Narrow
TSRej low

Your not going to be able to filter everything out 100% of the time. Mazda’s have been bad just because they sit right at 24.125. Same spot as the low powered Raptor radar guns.

You can play with the lower threshold when your in shopping center parking lots. Maybe 10 mph isn’t enough for you?

I haven’t tested it for a while but K7 should still give you about 1200/1800 feet of detection. If your under 50 mph, that should give you more than ample time to slowdown before your in the kill zone unless it’s I/O and your the only car on the road..... then not much is going to help you.

Just remember, once you get above that upper threshold setting, the only thing active will be the TSREJ to tone down the k band false’s
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH @Heywood

Just ONE CAVEAT .... if you RARELY ENCOUNTER X BAND then x9 or 90% Filter

X band Travels S LOOOOOONG WAY !!

Other than that pretty much dead on !!!!

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You almost surely do. I live right near downtown, my work commute (when the virus quarantine is over) is through a commercial corridor, and there's a hospital nearby. I use manual lockouts for the worst offenders (including 4(!) permanent K band speed signs along my normal route), but other parts of town are similarly infested, and sometimes there will be several short-ranged sources near each other that hit differently depending on the direction of your approach and it becomes tricky to add them all.

With all of that said, the Pro M is certainly quiet and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I'd be fine running factory settings. But I like to tinker a bit and optimize. I feel like the Pro M's niche is to be highly effective but at the same time low-key and unassuming. Small form factor, simple display, no arrows, quiet out of the box. Range really good but not necessarily the absolute top. So I'm trying to accentuate the already-excellent quietness and don't mind giving up a bit of range in city mode.
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Good info to consider. The Vortex guide indicate that "High" was needed to filter out Honda/Acura, which are popular cars around here. But i might play with Low and see how it works for me.


Agreed. Main reason I chose it, along with an appreciation for the company itself.


Would make a great post if you did. :D
Yeah Play LOW TSR if at all possible !!

Not much k band distance loss but kinda dicey on k band I/O at TSR HIGH.

Just a heads up

Benzr
 
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My testing experience showed me TS Rej on HIGH has a distance impact on K Band, plus more inconsistent on picking up those early warning blips.
TS Rej on LOW has a barely noticeable effect on detection distance vs the OFF setting.
The previous comments are correct about those effects.
Heywood has some credibility in using TS Rej LOW setting and using City K filtering level to suit your preference.
Mine is at K3.
Polluted areas may need up to K7.
Or K3 and TS Rej HIGH.
So many ways to tune the Pro M on city and Auto City.
All in your control and preference.
If you understand how it all works then I prefer it to an unknown filtering option like Escort or V1G2 big L.
While effective, not knowing the actual behavior behind it makes me less confident in automated voodoo settings.
Perhaps this is the appeal to some for detectors like the Pro M and R7 (and other R's), the ability to personally tune to preference in an easy to understand format.
Though the Pro M probably has a more confusing adjustment layout than the Uniden due to the extra levels of filtering offered.
 

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@benzr My area is a bit unusual (northern Indiana). We do have legit X band police radar, and basically zero x falses. When it lights up X, it's almost always an officer. K is where all the messy stuff is, but there are also police using it. Ka is in use and rarely falses. Our blessings are little to no laser, no MRCT/D and no cameras.

@DC Fluid Yeah, it's really nice to be able to program the filters to match one's own preferences and environment. And I agree that knowing exactly what tradeoffs are being made in City/AutoCity helps one feel more confident using them. A bit of a learning curve, but not too bad. With all the good help here I feel like I'm getting a good feel for it. Looks like K TSREJ "Low" and K city level fairly high, probably 6 or 7 is gonna be my template for now.
 

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@benzr My area is a bit unusual (northern Indiana). We do have legit X band police radar, and basically zero x falses. When it lights up X, it's almost always an officer. K is where all the messy stuff is, but there are also police using it. Ka is in use and rarely falses. Our blessings are little to no laser, no MRCT/D and no cameras.

@DC Fluid Yeah, it's really nice to be able to program the filters to match one's own preferences and environment. And I agree that knowing exactly what tradeoffs are being made in City/AutoCity helps one feel more confident using them. A bit of a learning curve, but not too bad. With all the good help here I feel like I'm getting a good feel for it. Looks like K TSREJ "Low" and K city level fairly high, probably 6 or 7 is gonna be my template for now.
That's what I ran in k Band BSM /Fixed K Band H3LL ATL !! The ProM for my GF is STILL SETUP that way since it's release. My Predecessor RPSE
WAS ALSO run that way. TSR LOW all the way !!
TSR HIGH in congested Downtown Areas and CITY. Enjoy your RADENSO ... I sure have 😎😎👍👍😃😃

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Enjoy your RADENSO ... I sure have 😎😎👍👍😃😃

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Thanks, I'm definitely planning on it. :D

Watching how the V1G2 and Theia stories play out, and may get tempted on one of those. But I envision the Pro M staying with me for a good while regardless.
 

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My Pro M will be here today,
Any suggestions for Atlanta Ga settings?
 

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I suggest start with Vortex recommended settings with exceptions
TSRej on low.
City K level 3 (to start, more if you get too many falses for your taste)
AutoCity speeds 30 / 55 mph
Ka filter off unless you are getting garbage somewhere.
Speed settings for radar alert 15 mph.
I have all speed and red light cameras on
A few lockouts of door openers on your regular routes and get ready to enjoy a great and quiet detector.
I have some testing coming soon that will provide more insight into the effect these settings have on the Pro M.
I suggest changing at least the Ka alert to one that you recongnize immediately as danger, without looking at it or thinking.
K alert whatever one is softer on your brain as it may be the only one to ever false.
X band I have no idea as most have off unless it's used in their area.
 

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