Hidden features on V1G2?

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I was looking at the programming options for V1G2 and noticed that it skips from 4 to 8; perhaps there are options on 5, 6 & 7 that aren't active...yet? The letters B, C, D, E & F are also missing.
I could be very wrong, but a quick look at V1G1's programming options INCLUDES 5, 6, 7, B, C, D,E, F.
Various Js are also missing from V1G2.
This doesn't look like an accident, but WHAT (if anything) will be unlocked? GPS? Photo radar?
What do you THINK is being hidden, and what do you HOPE gets unlocked?
 

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It's unlikely MV would have GPS after all that he has said about it. Or risk a law suit.
 

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You might be on to something; but it could also be their way of keeping track of all the variations.
Option 1 is X-band on every iteration, etc.
 

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It's unlikely MV would have GPS after all that he has said about it. Or risk a law suit.
I tend to agree, but I'm still curious.
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You might be on to something; but it could also be their way of keeping track of all the variations.
Option 1 is X-band on every iteration, etc.
Also quite possible...
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I think Vortex had gone through a comparison and talked about it in one of his videos. I think some of the features were removed because it was already incorporated in G2 and it wasn't needed anymore.
I haven't seen that video, but I'll take a look.
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FWIW-I am certainly not making any claims; it was just something that I noticed.
In the @vortexradar interview with MV he DID say that they were working on "some science projects."
The missing numbers/letters may be meaningless, but they may be something. Time will tell; personally I hope that there are options there that just aren't available to us yet.
 
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In the @vortexradar interview with MV he DID say that they were working on "some science projects."
I seem to recall him referring to them as science fair projects, repeatedly, which sounded fairly dismissive, like nerdy but otherwise low priority pursuits, side projects.
 

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I seem to recall him referring to them as science fair projects, repeatedly, which sounded fairly dismissive, like nerdy but otherwise low priority pursuits, side projects.
You are correct; he called them "science FAIR projects."
I got the impression that some of the "projects" were low priority too, but I also inferred that some were features that he wanted to include on its (V1G2's) initial release. That certainly doesn't mean that he was actually implying anything; it's just what I thought.
A couple of times when MV referred to the projects I thought that he was being (understandably) evasive.
Since I have a little free time right now I may listen to the interview again.
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I just remembered something that may relate to this thread:
MV mentioned Apple and how they HIDE certain adjustments that most people don't (can't???) use. I don't remember the contex, but he did mention it.
I will listen to the interview again.
 
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You are correct; he called them "science FAIR projects."
I got the impression that some of the "projects" were low priority too, but I also inferred that some were features that he wanted to include on its (V1G2's) initial release. That certainly doesn't mean that he was actually implying anything; it's just what I thought.
A couple of times when MV referred to the projects I thought that he was being (understandably) evasive.
Since I have a little free time right now I may listen to the interview again.
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I just remembered something that may relate to this thread:
MV mentioned Apple and how they HIDE certain adjustments that most people don't (can't???) use. I don't remember the contex, but he did mention it.
I will listen to the interview again.
To be honest, I think the term science fair projects 'science fair projects' was used so people don't expect anything immediately and don't get their hopes up because the unit was just launched. There is no way in heck MV doesn't have a road map on improvements and updates for the next one to three years and where he wants to accomplish. Now that you can update the unit via bluetooth on your phone, I have a hunch a couple of surprises are on the way.
 

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I listened to most of the @vortexradar (I actually don't know the Vortex guy's name!!)interview again, and it's pretty clear that they're working on/planning to work on improvements and new functions.
He (MV) said,
"It's my fondest wish that we get *there. When that happens I don't know 'cause we got lots of stuff going on here at the same time. So it's not a 'never,' but it's not a 'by June 3 of...'(sic) It'll have to come along as a surprise if it happens and I'm sure it'll happen at some point"

*If I remember correctly he was talking about adding the ability to add FMCW; if I'm wrong someone please correct me.
 

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If I remember correctly he was talking about adding the ability to add FMCW; if I'm wrong someone please correct me.
He used that reference a few different times throughout, but certainly one of them was regarding FMCW detection in general and MRCD in particular.
 

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Another could be for laser filtering, as he said they didnt change it from the v1g1.
 

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MV mentioned Apple and how they HIDE certain adjustments that most people don't (can't???) use. I don't remember the contex, but he did mention it.
I will listen to the interview again.
A bit like developer options in android. You could wreak havoc on your phone in there if you didn't know what you were doing
 

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A bit like developer options in android. You could wreak havoc on your phone in there if you didn't know what you were doing
Not just developer options. Android (and honestly to some extent iOS has started as well) suffers from frequently having both extremely esoteric options lumped together with more common ones, and it serves to intimidate an inexperienced user.

It's like the difference in Windows between the settings you see in the preferences versus the equivalent Group Policy Editor pane with 20x the number of options.
 

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He used that reference a few different times throughout, but certainly one of them was regarding FMCW detection in general and MRCD in particular.
Re: interview
One of the "science fair projects" had something to do with software (for MRCD?) that was "in progress or to be completed ."
He specifically mentioned "future software" under the umbrella of science fair projects too. What all of this means is open to interpretation.
The original question about the "missing" programming options in the V1G2 seems to have morphed into (somewhat) solid evidence that Valentine Research (VR) hopes to add functions (MRCD?) to the V1G2. Although I assume that VR is continually working on improving their product, MV's comments left little doubt in MY mind that they plan on adding functions too. That's what I inferred from his comments anyway.
Back to the original question: I have no idea if the "missing" programming options will be used in future upgrades; only time will tell. Someone stated that those options weren't used to keep programming options consistent from G1 to G2. That certainly seems like something that VR would do.
IDK why they're "missing;" nor do I know if those options will stay unused...and I certainly don't know if MV already has plans for them.
As I stated earlier, time will tell...BUT one can hope. :)
 

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The thing that sorta concerned me about the interview (Vortex/ Mike V) was that VR didn’t really test much/ any outside their area - Ohio. This was around the NDA portion of the interview. It came across as the only threats that matter are what’s around there. The nonchalant attitude about MRCD was a little surprising. It isn’t like low powered K just came out. Maybe I took it the wrong way.
 
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The thing that sorta concerned me about the interview (Vortex/ Mike V) was that VR didn’t really test much/ any outside their area - Ohio. This was around the NDA portion of the interview. It came across as the only threats that matter are what’s around here (there). The nonchalant attitude about MRCD was a little surprising. It isn’t like low powered K just came out. Maybe I took it the wrong way.
This is kind of common. We've seen this problem from many other vendors too. Stinger, for example, thought polarized K band was a bigger problem than Ka band in the USA and alerting to a shopping center from a mile off axis was the right choice. Whistler had detectors that falsed to cell towers that were found in other parts of the country.

In the past companies like Escort and Uniden have, to varying success levels, recruited testers from around the country. It costs a lot of money to do that kind of field testing and while we as a community would like to believe it's extremely high value, my professional experience is that it's kind of mixed. And some days you really wonder if all the resources spent on things like public beta testing or reviewer units is actually preventing launch day fire drills or not.
 

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The thing that sorta concerned me about the interview (Vortex/ Mike V) was that VR didn’t really test much/ any outside their area - Ohio. The nonchalant attitude about MRCD was a little surprising. It isn’t like low powered K just came out. Maybe I took it the wrong way.
I didn't take it that way; at least not to the same extent. I certainly raised an eyebrow when MV spoke about only testing in Ohio, but the impression that I got re: MRCD was that they're still working on it and don't want to release anything until it's up to MV/VR standards.
I will qualify my statement with the disclaimer that I have (almost?) used MV's RD since ~1987. I went from a POS to an (original) Escort, to an original Passport, back to an Escort (I didn't think that the Passport had quite the same range), to a V1 and finally V1G2. My point is that I may have a pro MV bias.
 

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I will qualify my statement with the disclaimer that I have (almost?) used MV's RD since ~1987.
I left out a fairly important word! The sentence SHOULD read, "...disclaimer that I have (almost?) ONLY used MV's RD..."

I'm sure that I tried a few other brands, but since I got an Escort (the big, black bad boy!) every RD that I have owned had MV's fingerprint on it somewhere.
I strive to be open-minded and fair, so I think that I should qualify my opinion with that statement.
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@Up All Night
Got it...thx!
BTW-GT3RS is one of my favorite cars.
#1 is probably Porsche 918
#2 ??? Porsche 959 (circa 198x?) maybe? *One of the first ~200mph "super cars." Ferrari came out with the F-40 ~1987; I'm not sure which was "1st," but they both pushed the envelope as to what was possible at the time.
#3 ??GTxRS??

Thanks for the info!
 
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Another could be for laser filtering, as he said they didnt change it from the v1g1.
So why is the G2 so much more sensitive to laser? Range improvement? My first gen never gave me a false when I turned on my car to the IR temp sensor.
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I didn't take it that way; at least not to the same extent. I certainly raised an eyebrow when MV spoke about only testing in Ohio, but the impression that I got re: MRCD was that they're still working on it and don't want to release anything until it's up to MV/VR standards.
I will qualify my statement with the disclaimer that I have (almost?) used MV's RD since ~1987. I went from a POS to an (original) Escort, to an original Passport, back to an Escort (I didn't think that the Passport had quite the same range), to a V1 and finally V1G2. My point is that I may have a pro MV bias.
I agree that Mike can kind of be a perfectionist. I'm not going to complain though because I think the second generation Valentine One is a great product.
 
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