V1 Gen2 vs R7, V1 Gen1, Redline EX, Max360c, Pro M on 33.8, 34.7, 35.5, & K band, Red Barn Test Course 3-16-20

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understand that its a labor of love and there is a limit - i appreciate your hard work. but i believe the old king has earned and deserves its day in count with its long time nemesis.

would be hard to draw a solid conclusion comparing previous test due many variables involved. The only thing you can say is the RLo is hotter than v1g1. but the v1g1 results was much different than previous test.

I was looking at the May '15 RLo barn test. but could only read out that the RLo is ahead of the V1G1, could not use the numbers since it's early spring vs late spring with the vegetation difference and radar source alignment.
 
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understand that its a labor of love and there is a limit - i appreciate your hard work. but i believe the old king has earned and deserves its day in count with its long time nemesis.

would be hard to draw a solid conclusion comparing previous test due many variables involved. The only thing you can say is the RLo is hotter than v1g1. but the v1g1 results was much different than previous test.

I was looking at the May '15 RLo barn test. but could only read out that the RLo is ahead of the V1G1, could not use the numbers since it's early spring vs late spring with the vegetation difference and radar source alignment.

I hear you and it's a great idea for yet another test. I have no plans on retesting so I'll leave this exercise up to someone else, perhaps after lockdowns are lifted. Perhaps you could be the one to take the initiative and test for us, especially considering you own a Redline and are especially curious to see the difference?
 
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understand that its a labor of love and there is a limit - i appreciate your hard work. but i believe the old king has earned and deserves its day in count with its long time nemesis.

would be hard to draw a solid conclusion comparing previous test due many variables involved. The only thing you can say is the RLo is hotter than v1g1. but the v1g1 results was much different than previous test.

I was looking at the May '15 RLo barn test. but could only read out that the RLo is ahead of the V1G1, could not use the numbers since it's early spring vs late spring with the vegetation difference and radar source alignment.
Not to worry my SC brother! @VariableWave and I have lots of testing coming up and the ole' Redline-O's will be there fighting it out each and every time, or else I won't do it! Discontinued or not, the Redline-O will always be my personal favorite and it still can go toe to toe with anything on Ka band! So what if it sucks on K band filtering! I'm always up for a good fight against 34.7 and 35.5!
 
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i love it - the south is gonna rattle again.
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And besides, like Ric Flair says, in order to be the man, you have to beat the man! Even my mighty new V1G2 has it's hands full with the Redline-O, so it's earned the right to be tested untill it gets beat down, and that ain't happened yet!
 

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Awesome. Just logged back in after a number of yrs. . Well impressed.
Thanks Vortex
 

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Great stuff thanks for your time and effort
 

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Yesterday I went out to do some testing with the V1 Gen2 against all the top contenders.

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Radar Detectors:
  • Valentine 1 Gen 2 (fw 4.1018)
  • Valentine 1 Gen 1 (fw 3.8945)
  • Uniden R7 (fw 1.29)
  • Escort Max 360c (fw 1.11)
  • Escort Redline EX (fw 1.15) Thank you to @mikedotd for loaning me your Redline EX!
  • Radenso Pro M (fw US 19)
Every detector was set up with X off, K and Ka on. Detectors were segged 2/5/8 when it made a difference (V1 Gen1, Redline EX, Uniden R7, Radenso Pro M). I also ran with the Ka filters disabled for the V1 Gen1, R7, and Redline EX. (You can't disable them for the Max360c and V1 Gen2 so it's always running with Ka filters.) I meant to disable it for the Pro M, but I forgot unfortunately since I normally run with it on in normal driving, unlike the other detectors. In the results, I've added a * by the Pro M to denote this.

Radar Guns:
  • MPH Bee III (33.8)
  • Stalker II (34.7)
  • Decatur Genesis II (35.5 & K Band)
Test course:

The test course is the tried and true red barn test course. It's a relatively difficult course with a few bends and trees blocking the signal. Maximum detection range is about half a mile.

Traffic was pretty minimal thankfully. It got a little heavier towards the end of the day when we got into K band, but it was fairly light overall. Cars can and do affect the detection ranges so results may vary. This is one of the main reasons I ran 3 runs per detector on Ka. (I reduced it to 2 per detector / settings combo on K band to save time.)

Weather was sunny and clear.

Test results:

Starting off, here's a look at the results on 33.8:

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Not a huge difference between detectors. R7 got the longest distance alerts, followed by the V1 Gen2, and everyone else clustered together.

So R7 and V1 Gen2 are the most sensitive, but the test course is set up such that we can't really see a big difference between detectors. It's certainly good to know that depending on conditions and terrain, different detectors with varying sensitivity can alert right around the same spot, but that doesn't help us understand which detectors have the best sensitivity.

I wanted to get more separation between detectors (most everything was alerting near the red barn) so I modified the radar gun placement for subsequent runs to make things harder. For 33.8, the radar gun had pretty clear line of sight downrange. After we finished, we moved the radar car maybe 50 feet forward to obscure it behind a bush to block some of the signal (it limited the radar gun's detection distance downrange too of course), and this helped create a little more separation between tiers of detectors.

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V1 Gen2 and R7 both managed long distance alerts every time. The results were virtually identical, with one slightly shorter run with the R7, likely due to traffic. (There's a reason we do multiple runs...) :)

Redline EX and V1 Gen 1 each managed one longer detection (but still not R7 or V1 Gen2 range) with the other two detections being closer to the Max 360c and Pro M.
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Still plenty of alert distance by all the detectors, but we're starting to see more separation between detectors now.

An impressive showing by the V1 Gen2! Finally we have a detector that can properly take on the R7 on 34.7.

Also a quick note about the Pro M. As I mentioned it earlier, I ran it with Ka Filter on. I meant to turn it off for testing, but I forgot to turn it off. The R7, V1 Gen1, and Redline EX I tested with the Ka filters disabled. The Pro M had the filter enabled. Last year it managed to beat the V1 Gen1 and Max360c on 34.7 with the filter disabled. That said, I have since enabled Ka Filter on the Pro M to filter out false Ka alerts and it looks like, compared to last year's results at least, it does affect the range. For testing purposes, I do wish that I had also done a set of passes with the Pro M with Ka filter disabled to see how much that would improve things, but honestly I forgot to change that. Sorry about that. Either way, it does look like if you're running the Ka Filter to cut out the false Ka alerts you'll otherwise get, it may affect your range.

Speaking of which, I wish the V1 Gen2 had additional filtering available on Ka. I get more false Ka alerts with it than with any other detector, and it doesn't offer a Ka filter you can enable so...

Anyways, let's move on to 35.5, traditionally the hardest Ka frequency detect.

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On 35.5, the V1 Gen2 managed to extend its lead over the R7 with every detection longer than the R7 was capable of. Amazing...

V1 Gen 1, Redline EX, and Max360c all managed one or two longer detections (again not quite up to R7 or V1 Gen2 territory), but otherwise had shorter detections.

The Pro M had the shortest detections.

Here's a look at the results averaged together to simplify things:
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Next, moving on to K band. There was a lot to test here so we dropped down to 2 runs per detector / settings combination to save time. This was with the Genesis II. It's a normal circularly polarized K band gun, nothing fancy or low powered.

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I was most curious to see how the V1 Gen2 compared with K Verifier on/off and the different logic modes compared to the R7 at different sensitivity levels. The R7 (with K filter on) is more sensitive than the V1 Gen2 with K Verifier off (which is useless in practice due to extreme false alerts). The V1 Gen2 with Advanced Logic mode (big L mode) is pretty great at filtering out many false alerts, but it's also less sensitive than the R7 in City mode with TSF on...

Now focusing in on just the V1 Gen2's different settings, here's a closer look at how its filters affect range:

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So K Verifier (TMF2 replacement) does reduce range.

One of the runs I had with Logic mode (little l mode), the V1 managed a short blip farther away, it lost the signal, and then it reacquired where it normally went off. If I were to ignore that first blip and look at where it was able to hold onto the signal, those results make a little more sense:

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Logic mode (l mode) only mutes weak signals. It doesn't filter out weak signals like Advanced Logic mode (L mode). So seeing Logic and All Bogies return comparable results is what I was expecting.

A big thanks to @ferius for helping me conduct this test, as well as for his amazing new RD testing app!

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It uses your phone's mic to listen to when your RD goes off, logs the distances, lets you label each run, and then once you get home, you can make any tweaks and adjustments as needed and export all the alert distances straight into Excel or Google Docs. This thing saved me SO much time... This app is a lifesaver and I'd like to use it in every RD test moving forward...
*Radenso loved an image*
 

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