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- Mar 20, 2018
- Reaction score
- Outer Rim - Hiding from 35.5 I/O
I also do like the Escort implementation but unfortunately neither the R7 nor the Max360's OLED screens last well over time. After a few years they no longer are as bright as they used to be (inherent in the display technology) and that's been inherently obvious as I make a ton of trips to Las Vegas where the sun is so bright that you need to wear sunscreen inside of the car to avoid arriving sunburned.
Maybe there's room for improvement in the V1's display setup but actually after years of using OLED screen detectors, it was refreshing to go back to the V1's sorta retro display. It's been a time-honored winning formula that takes some time to get used to, but always holds a special sentimental place in my heart.
Same here. Dark mode and it works out really well. I never look at the detector unless it goes off so no reason to have the display on.After I heard the reports of burn in I only ran it in dark mode so it just lights up for alerts. After a few days I actually prefer it. If no alerts there is nothing to see anyway and it makes actual alerts easier to spot visually when the screen comes on. While I don't know for sure but I imagine running in that mode it would take a decade to get burn in so unless you are running display on all the time not something to worry about.
edit; this is for the r7. I didn't get burn in on the R1/R3 with display on but my time was just a few months on those units.
I also ran with the Ka filters disabled for the V1 Gen1, R7, and Redline EX. (You can't disable them for the Max360c and V1 Gen2 so it's always running with Ka filters.) I meant to disable it for the Pro M, but I forgot unfortunately since I normally run with it on, unlike the other detectors.
Also a quick note about the Pro M. As I mentioned it earlier, I ran it with Ka Filter on. I meant to turn it off for testing, but I forgot to turn it off. The R7, V1 Gen1, and Redline EX I tested with the Ka filters disabled. The Pro M had the filter enabled. Last year it managed to beat the V1 Gen1 and Max360c on 34.7 with the filter disabled. That said, I have since enabled Ka Filter on the Pro M to filter out false Ka alerts and it looks like, compared to last year's results at least, it does affect the range. For testing purposes, I do wish that I had also done a set of passes with the Pro M with Ka filter disabled to see how much that would improve things, but honestly I forgot to change that. Sorry about that. Either way, it does look like if you're running the Ka Filter to cut out the false Ka alerts you'll otherwise get, it may affect your range.
I had a comment regarding the Pro-M "mistake". I am unsure if Ka filter is something which is default on or off from the factory? I think you could consider putting an * on the graphs/images to represent that Ka filter was on and it could have affected range. To be honest not everyone is going to read the text, and most folk will focus on the images. Just a suggestion.
Another comparison of the data
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So it's interesting that the best miles per gallon also tracks to the detector with the longest range with the exception of 33.8 Ka where the V1Gen1 with it's interleaved POP sweeps makes it the best bang for the buck on that band.
Clearly the V1Gen2 is a better value (cost vs performance) than the original Gen1 and especially for the K-Band where you are paying a penny less per foot of detection but with superior false filtering.
Does anyone think the Escort's are overpriced considering their level of performance here?
As I remember Mike talked about that in the interview with Vortex. He was saying how they had to verify a signal as a threat and not a false but still be sure not to miss a I/O shot. I trust Mike that they got it right in V1g2.Did you run a Q/T Test? Based on your testing it looks like their TMF filter cuts back on range but does that cut also make it blind to I/O?
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Overall I agree with the point being made but also find it dangerous to start the "what is the best bang for the buck" theory. A lot of us treat our radar detectors the same way we would treat a HAZMAT suit or a bulletproof vest. Any reasonable amount of money we can throw towards a long-range IO save seems to be worth the justification. Very very few products have come our way that give us pause in that regard (e.g. Stinger? MaxCi?)
Of course...…….but as the chart shows, cost vs performance need not contradict one another either.
What it does show clearly here is that the best performing detectors also happen to be the best values. The R7, the V1Gen2 and even the V1Gen1 are in line with their pricing. The Radenso a little pricey for how well it detects radar and the Escorts...…….totally out of line (which I think most of us knew).
Even more surprising since the basic RF design inside the Escort's is about decade behind the other three (with the Gen1 being the exception). It's no surprise that a modified M4 priced at $650 is going to get destroyed in such a comparison. Maybe a lot more surprising that a rebaked M3 is not much better...…...but then they increased the price over the original by $100 and screwed up the M3 recipe (or intentionally went back to their M3 kneecap code).
In any case. If it's truly wonderful and worth the money, this is a good way to look at it.
All these detectors will save you from tickets and over the course of a year or so pay for themselves.
Time? RL-O vs V1 and R series has already been done extensively. No reason to think those results would change, and for most the RL-O is no longer relevant due to its lack of K filtering.awesome test - but can anyone explain to me why RLO has been dropped from recent test?
Time? RL-O vs V1 and R series has already been done extensively. No reason to think those results would change, and for most the RL-O is no longer relevant due to its lack of K filtering.
That and it’s no longer realistically for sale or supported. Each detector costs a lot of time to test and it is sensible to prioritize getting data on the detectors without a lot of data and to compare them to their most relevant competitors, not just ones we think will beat it.
Yes, BUT Escorts always have been @Nine_C1 I was hoping to see a Gen 1 Redline in here with K band off and segged as I believe it would be much closer to the R7 and Gen 2 V1 than the EX.Does anyone think the Escort's are overpriced considering their level of performance here?