Brainstorming Theia testing ideas

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I would like to see what can be done for MRCD and Reflex.
 

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Regarding K-Band testing:
Units other than Theia need to have the maximum BSM filtering enabled.
I will throw out immediately any comparison of K-Band with a unit that is unfiltered.
Why, [other than for kicks, which we don't have time for in the beginning] would anyone waste their time comparing anything against an unfiltered RD on K-Band. What's the point?
It is impossible for an enthusiast to drive with a RD unfiltered on K-Band in todays world.

Please just ensure all other RD's have good K-Band filtering enabled prior to testing.
I don’t, and I don’t think anyone else does testing for distance with any filters on.

The only time I use the filters are when I’m testing the actual distance lost as you apply filters.

It’s just like trying to test in city mode. Each are implemented differently. Escort doesn’t even have a city mode.

Testing with filters is just like asking which exhaust sounds the best. It’s subjective to each individual. Each persons tolerance to noise.... and that’s why we never really test that way.
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I would like to see what can be done for MRCD and Reflex.
I think Jon mentioned that they’ve got that covered.

I think it’ll be much better than what we have now.
 
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I'm primarily interested in seeing testing against EXTREME low power radars like Gatso RT4 and Redflex, to a lesser extent RP-1 K band.
 

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Imho the claim of discrimination + sensitivity would beg for testing in a noisy RF environment. Radenso I think is addressing this with high speed processing.
So rush hour, near shopping centers, other RDs would be my tests.
 

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Imho the claim of discrimination + sensitivity would beg for testing in a noisy RF environment. Radenso I think is addressing this with high speed processing.
So rush hour, near shopping centers, other RDs would be my tests.
The cool thing is that multiple emitters doesn't affect sensitivity or inference time. Just to use a made up number, let's say that we have a raster we are inferencing on that is 10,000 samples. It doesn't matter WHAT is in the samples in terms of latency. 10k samples of nothing will process just as fast as 10k samples that paint a raster with 8 simultaneous samples. We are looking at 61.44mhz of bandwidth at a time and just flying up and down the spectrum in those giant chunks.
 

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The other thread about testing rarely tested RD's got me thinking about testing Theia.

For the long range stuff on Ka, I'm expecting Theia to destroy everything else so I'm thinking about testing every detector on its maximum range options only: Ka filters off, segged 2/5/8.

For K band, I'm thinking about running the other detectors two or three different ways.
1) I can run them with all the filters disabled which is totally useless in practice, but could be interesting to set a baseline for this specific case. (Thanks @Heywood!)
2) Then I can reenable the normal filters to compare, so turning TS Rej to High on the Pro M, K Verifier on on the V1, etc. I don't wanna try 87 zillion combinations of settings per detector, but I'd like to test a standard configuration for all the detectors, so something like R7 at 60% or so.
3) and then I can crank all the filters up to the max (ie. R7 with City Mode, TSF on) to see how much of a hit to performance we get with the detectors trying as hard as they possibly can to ignore false alerts.

I'm expecting Theia to filter out basically all BSM's while still outperforming all the other detectors with no filtering. Seeing the difference widen even more with the filters enabled on the other detectors would make things even more impressive for Theia.

As far as detectors to pit against Theia, I want to throw everything against it, windshield mounts and custom installed included. So a good lineup could include:
  • Radenso Theia
  • Radenso Pro M
  • Uniden R7
  • V1 Gen2
  • Escort Redline O
  • Escort Redline EX
  • Escort Max 360c
  • Escort Max Ci 360
  • Radenso RC M
  • Stinger VIP
  • Net Radar DSP
  • Uniden R9 if it is out by then?
 

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So Theia is still a ways away, but I'm super excited about finally getting a chance to test one and see what it's capable of so I'd love to brainstorm with you guys about fun things to test. :)

First off, long range testing. I'd like to throw it up against all the top contenders: R7, Max360c, Redline EX, Pro M, Max Ci 360, and RC M. Am I missing anything? I could do some others like NR DSP and R3, but for the sake of time, I'd like to focus on the top possible performers and most similar detectors.

With Theia I think it's gonna be critical to focus on K band testing. I can test with both the Genesis II (normal circularly polarized antenna) and Falcon HR (lower power linearly polarized). For the legacy detectors, what settings would make sense? Maximum filtering options (Auto mode, K Filters on, TSF on, etc.) vs. filters completely disabled (even if that's impractical in the real world) just to see the maximum detection distances?

For Ka, we can do the normal gamut of 33.8, 34.7, & 35.5. I'm thinking 3 runs for Theia and just 2 runs for the other detectors, again just to save time, especially with so many bands to test. I'm less interested in comparing the other detectors against each other and more interesting in having a baseline to compare against Theia.

Would rear testing be super critical? Alert latch is always a thing and I feel like that would sort of mess with the accuracy of measuring rear sensitivity.

I could also try pointing the radar gun the opposite direction and drive towards the radar gun. Alert distances would be much lower of course, but those results may be interesting too.

For IO testing, is there much to test other than showing the unique alert on screen? I could do some QT shots at a distance, within range for each detector. The DSR 2X and Genesis II can each do automated 0.5s shots so my transmission duration can be the same for each test. (I would need to borrow the DSR 2X for this though, as well as a Redline EX for the long range stuff, but that should be straightforward.)

I'm not sure about the plans to build in POP detection. I could always test it, but would it matter and would anyone care? :p

Spectre testing, I've got my Spectre III. It'd be nice to test with an Elite and maybe even some other versions of the Spectre too? There's a I and a II on the buy and sell section. It'd be cool to borrow those and also locate a Spectre IV and test Theia against literally every version, lol...

BSM testing, which is one of the main highlights, that's just a matter of driving around with Theia and seeing if it alerts, so not something to specifically set up a test for. :)

Arrow transitions could be interesting to test too. Maybe go up to a speed sign and drive past it in both directions to see how the arrows transition? I could do the same thing with the V1, Max360c, R7, etc. to see how it compares.

Laser sensitivity, I guess I could test, but meh?

What are your thoughts for different test ideas and what else would be good to test?

Some things like MultaRadar/Gatso detection, I don't have those nearby so people like @Dukes and @Heywood could test that and I'd be really curious to see how Theia handles those. That may be the places where longer detection ranges would be most useful.
POP Detecting w/o Falsing would be IDEAL as the pop mode will never get used against us.

That IMHO would be the Final Nail in the coffin for the Pop Mode. ☠☠

But we'll see if the RDF rs agree with me. 🧐🧐

Benzr
 

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So Theia is still a ways away, but I'm super excited about finally getting a chance to test one and see what it's capable of so I'd love to brainstorm with you guys about fun things to test. :)

First off, long range testing. I'd like to throw it up against all the top contenders: R7, Max360c, Redline EX, Pro M, Max Ci 360, and RC M. Am I missing anything? I could do some others like NR DSP and R3, but for the sake of time, I'd like to focus on the top possible performers and most similar detectors.

With Theia I think it's gonna be critical to focus on K band testing. I can test with both the Genesis II (normal circularly polarized antenna) and Falcon HR (lower power linearly polarized). For the legacy detectors, what settings would make sense? Maximum filtering options (Auto mode, K Filters on, TSF on, etc.) vs. filters completely disabled (even if that's impractical in the real world) just to see the maximum detection distances?

For Ka, we can do the normal gamut of 33.8, 34.7, & 35.5. I'm thinking 3 runs for Theia and just 2 runs for the other detectors, again just to save time, especially with so many bands to test. I'm less interested in comparing the other detectors against each other and more interesting in having a baseline to compare against Theia.

Would rear testing be super critical? Alert latch is always a thing and I feel like that would sort of mess with the accuracy of measuring rear sensitivity.

I could also try pointing the radar gun the opposite direction and drive towards the radar gun. Alert distances would be much lower of course, but those results may be interesting too.

For IO testing, is there much to test other than showing the unique alert on screen? I could do some QT shots at a distance, within range for each detector. The DSR 2X and Genesis II can each do automated 0.5s shots so my transmission duration can be the same for each test. (I would need to borrow the DSR 2X for this though, as well as a Redline EX for the long range stuff, but that should be straightforward.)

I'm not sure about the plans to build in POP detection. I could always test it, but would it matter and would anyone care? :p

Spectre testing, I've got my Spectre III. It'd be nice to test with an Elite and maybe even some other versions of the Spectre too? There's a I and a II on the buy and sell section. It'd be cool to borrow those and also locate a Spectre IV and test Theia against literally every version, lol...

BSM testing, which is one of the main highlights, that's just a matter of driving around with Theia and seeing if it alerts, so not something to specifically set up a test for. :)

Arrow transitions could be interesting to test too. Maybe go up to a speed sign and drive past it in both directions to see how the arrows transition? I could do the same thing with the V1, Max360c, R7, etc. to see how it compares.

Laser sensitivity, I guess I could test, but meh?

What are your thoughts for different test ideas and what else would be good to test?

Some things like MultaRadar/Gatso detection, I don't have those nearby so people like @Dukes and @Heywood could test that and I'd be really curious to see how Theia handles those. That may be the places where longer detection ranges would be most useful.
Jon, Study guide for the test is available
 

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The other thread about testing rarely tested RD's got me thinking about testing Theia.

For the long range stuff on Ka, I'm expecting Theia to destroy everything else so I'm thinking about testing every detector on its maximum range options only: Ka filters off, segged 2/5/8.

For K band, I'm thinking about running the other detectors two or three different ways.
1) I can run them with all the filters disabled which is totally useless in practice, but could be interesting to set a baseline for this specific case. (Thanks @Heywood!)
2) Then I can reenable the normal filters to compare, so turning TS Rej to High on the Pro M, K Verifier on on the V1, etc. I don't wanna try 87 zillion combinations of settings per detector, but I'd like to test a standard configuration for all the detectors, so something like R7 at 60% or so.
3) and then I can crank all the filters up to the max (ie. R7 with City Mode, TSF on) to see how much of a hit to performance we get with the detectors trying as hard as they possibly can to ignore false alerts.

I'm expecting Theia to filter out basically all BSM's while still outperforming all the other detectors with no filtering. Seeing the difference widen even more with the filters enabled on the other detectors would make things even more impressive for Theia.

As far as detectors to pit against Theia, I want to throw everything against it, windshield mounts and custom installed included. So a good lineup could include:
  • Radenso Theia
  • Radenso Pro M
  • Uniden R7
  • V1 Gen2
  • Escort Redline O
  • Escort Redline EX
  • Escort Max 360c
  • Escort Max Ci 360
  • Radenso RC M
  • Stinger VIP
  • Net Radar DSP
  • Uniden R9 if it is out by then?
POP Detecting w/o Falsing would be IDEAL as the pop mode will never get used against us.

That IMHO would be the Final Nail in the coffin for the Pop Mode. ☠☠

But we'll see if the RDF rs agree with me. 🧐🧐

Benzr
In one of Radenso's videos, Jon was asked about POP detection and he replied that Theia would see it just like any other police radar since Theia's scan processing is vastly faster than the duration of a POP burst. Still it would be useful to verify this by testing, just like all of Theia's capabilities.
 

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Quick trigger / instant on reaction time will need to be tested as well - we're seeing that as a big place where filters can hamper performance even among otherwise high performing detectors (i.e. V1G2). With Theia's potential ability to separately distinguish I/O shots based on the power-on signal this could be another place where it stands out (or falls flat)
 

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Did anyone mention feedback/observation of the linearity/smoothness of its alert ramp-up?
 

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The POP and I/O would be picked out with the IOscout option that’s advertised and explained in the SEMA videos.

It would be an interesting test of that option. It’s not something that seems to have been forgotten in the design. Just named differently with their own tech.
 

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Setup a long testing course, start your Theia review when you get the first alert, and see if you can finish before you reach the source.
 

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Setup a long testing course, start your Theia review when you get the first alert, and see if you can finish before you reach the source.
lmao... I've been envisioning in my head laughing at how far back I'll have to go, farther than I've ever gone with any other detector.
 

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lmao... I've been envisioning in my head laughing at how far back I'll have to go, farther than I've ever gone with any other detector.
Fast & Furious 6 runway should work perfectly

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lmao... I've been envisioning in my head laughing at how far back I'll have to go, farther than I've ever gone with any other detector.
I really do hope that will be the case. I want to see Theia's range in a class of it's own, not just "better" than the rest.
 

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@Jon at Radenso , can you tell at least approximately when you could announce Theia release date?
 

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@Jon at Radenso , can you tell at least approximately when you could announce Theia release date?
If you are on the Theia pre-order e-mail list, all updates will be pushed out there along with our Theia webpage updated. There are no new updates.
 

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If you are on the Theia pre-order e-mail list, all updates will be pushed out there along with our Theia webpage updated. There are no new updates.
Yes but I wasn't asking for Theia release date, I was asking for announcement date of release date. Genius, no? ;)
 

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Yes but I wasn't asking for Theia release date, I was asking for announcement date of release date. Genius, no? ;)
You must be the same guy at the bar saying "I'll take a Corona, hold the virus"
 

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