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Just curious. Radenso said that Theia is going to be their flagship and they will likely make cheaper models using the same processing tech. How will those cheaper models be different? Since their processing detects basically everything and should not have any falses, it seems that the only thing they can limit in the cheaper models in range? Thoughts.

There are lots of ways that we could cut BOM cost. Eliminating LNAs, not using a metal case, using cheaper (or eliminating) GPS/BT components, using a ADC with lower bit depth and lower sample rate, using a smaller FPGA, etc. I'm not saying we will do any of that (honestly it's too early, we haven't decided) just that those are all ways to cut cost and sacrifice a bit of range/features.
 

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So does this mean it will be priced between $900-999? ;)
I don’t think it’s nailed down yet. They’re still in development if you look at the videos.
This virus thing has also put a damper on suppliers worldwide... which probably affects a lot of the components.
 

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We are going off topic here, so let's try to stay on track. To close some of these tangents:

1. I didn't even know our return policy says it has to be unused and that has never been enforced, it's probably a vestige of an old policy that snuck through. I will talk to Randy on Monday and figure it out.

2. Theia isn't going to cure world hunger. It's possible that at launch, it will even - gasp - not be perfect! I have already been given ideas from the forum that I wish it was practical to implement (an additional USB C port, for example). No product is ever perfect, but that doesn't mean one can't be the best - and that's what we're aiming for. I think it is fair to say that even if it's not some mythical perfect product, there is more capability for future improvement and feature-adds with Theia than any other detector just given the hardware and software platform we are basing it on.

That's kind of the whole idea - ship a detector that is generally the best at core detector functionality right out of the gate (no falses, great range, etc) and then go from there in the future.
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Best part about it is.... you don’t have to.

There’s a bigger worlds out there that will. This detector is suppose to be the flagship for Radenso.... not the only one they’ll make. They’re not Valentine.


Instead of buying Theia.... you could probably wait and see if they put RAI in a mid-tier level detector that will maybe be in your price range..... whatever that is.

They’ve hinted they might do a remote as well. Not that it matters to you.... but to some, that like the advantages of a remote..... can you imagine? The cost? No one would ever spend over $1000.00.

Good thing you’ve never heard of jammers. No one.... absolutely no one..... would ever invest in those crazy things.

Yup... your probably right. There’s no market.... what a waste. Bunch of dummies

Not sure if you’ve read much.... but this isn’t a detector aimed for the masses. It’s Radenso’s halo project. To introduce RAI to the general public.

It’s direct competition is the R7 and 360C. The premium market. The tech. Open API. Aluminum case... not plastic. Future proofed.

To say it won’t sell, and there’s no market for it.... pretty short sighted and closed minded.

I agree. Wait till it’s tested then make up your mind. It’s your money 💰. Vote with your wallet. If it pans out.... it could be everything most of us have been asking for


lmfao are you on meth?
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This is a moot point to argue since it will be under a grand, but it's not correct. I don't want to be a $500,000,000 business. I want to be a nice profitable niche business. It's more fun that way. To do that, it's much easier to sell fewer higher priced SKUs with better margin as opposed to more SKUs at lower margin. Again, this doesn't really apply to Theia since margins are thin on it. But I priced it the way that we did to make it attainable to enthusiasts and to hurt Escort. If I priced it at $1200, Escort could clone it for $900 and undercut us. That's not possible with the way we are going to price it.

Anyway, there are more than enough people who would pay $1k plus for a detector that I could be a single SKU business and carve out a nice, multi-million dollar small business. There are entire niche enthusiast companies that grow to $10-20mm doing nothing except having the best product and pricing it accordingly. I'm guessing you would also not pay $4k for a laptop, $1k for earbuds, $1200 for a DAC and headphone amp, and $9k for brakes for your race car. But I did, and thousands of others do as well.

In 2019, there were more new Porsches sold just in the USA than there were Uniden R7 and R3 combined.


yeah....cool.
 
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AMEN ... brother Jon !!

Said like a LEADER ... as Radenso is was and soon will be AGAIN !!!

Yes RADENSO WILL BE the INNOVATOR AGAIN !!

Just sayin'

Jon, Min, Randy, Michael, AWESOME TECHs and orthersothers keep on doing what you're doing !!

It is OBVIOUSLY WORKING !!

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🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

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Will this still be for sale in 2020 even w/ COVID19? I hope you guys can get one released soon. My V1G2 kicked the bucket after using it twice and i'm contemplating asking for a full refund when they open back up because I just don't trust the durability of the new design.
 

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$1,299.99
 

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Will this still be for sale in 2020 even w/ COVID19? I hope you guys can get one released soon. My V1G2 kicked the bucket after using it twice and i'm contemplating asking for a full refund when they open back up because I just don't trust the durability of the new design.
Jon has stated there is a 100% chance of 2020 release regardless of COVID-19 delays. He's also stated it will not be available in the spring. So that gives us a window from June to December 2020.

$1,299.99
Jon has also now stated in multiple places (including this thread and Youtube) that it will be under $1000 so I guess you will be snapping one right up!
 

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There are lots of ways that we could cut BOM cost. Eliminating LNAs, not using a metal case, using cheaper (or eliminating) GPS/BT components, using a ADC with lower bit depth and lower sample rate, using a smaller FPGA, etc. I'm not saying we will do any of that (honestly it's too early, we haven't decided) just that those are all ways to cut cost and sacrifice a bit of range/features.
I would not cut corners. A solution might be a base Theia and a premium Theia with all the range and upgrades. Maybe it's not the solution, but just a thought. Marketing will rule the roost, but I for one would pay extra for the best of the best. Just saying.
 

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I would not cut corners. A solution might be a base Theia and a premium Theia with all the range and upgrades. Maybe it's not the solution, but just a thought. Marketing will rule the roost, but I for one would pay extra for the best of the best. Just saying.
Jon's post was in response to how they could build a separate less expensive Theia model after they finish the current model.
 

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Jon's post was in response to how they could build a separate less expensive Theia model after they finish the current model.
@MikePA is right. Theia is the flagship premium detector for Radenso.

That’s Jon’s idea of how Radenso can bring another cost conscious detector to the market that won’t cost as much as Theia.

Theia is the detector using RAI.
RAI is the brains in Theia.

There’s nothing stopping Radenso from putting RAI in a different detector that may use cheaper materials and less options for people that can’t justify the cost or afford it.

Theia was not ment to be a detector for the masses. It’s the premium top of the line detector with high end materials. It’s not made to compete with the R3, R-EX, and others in that price range.

It’s directly in competition with the R7 and Max360C. You could possibly add the V1G2 in there, but Valentines market share is so small, that it’s not the main competitor that they’re aiming at.

That's just my take on it from what’s been available publicly.
 
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My guess would be in the $700 to $1000 price range. More than I’m willing to pay for a windshield mount RD.
 

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Assuming I still have a job with all the craziness going on, I'll be buying one at <1k, if for no other reason than supporting a company that's active and engaging the community, pushing the tech forward, and doing more than they maybe should in catering to the enthusiasts.

I love my pro M (despite a couple hiccups) and definitely look forward to replacing it with a Theia!

(I wouldn't mind if it was closer to $700 but my guess is $999)
 

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Maybe something like $879.97 and a free bottle of that whiskey/bourbon the engineers and them be drinking. We all celebrate together when all is in our hands.
 

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I would gladly buy this even if it was $1000 and so would many other people if it would be really impressive and have perfect BSM filtering and detection range would be as good as other products on market or better. There are smartphones which have $1000 or $1200 price which have very small improvements compared to the previous generation of phones by same manufacturer or cheaper products from competitor and which still have many flaws and a lot of people still buy them simply because they get bored with their current smartphone (even if it still feels fast and has acceptable battery life) and just want something new to play with, even though those new gimmicks like high display refresh rate or multiple cameras with 100000x zoom do not save any money for users and many users will never use them every day.
 

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Maybe Theia will have a “Find My Theia” feature similar to the iPhone in case it gets lost or stolen. Radenso could also put a LoJack type chip inside. You report it stolen to Radenso HQ and the police would be all over the thief (with the exception of VA police LOL).

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A simple ability to report it stolen, and then Radenso can brick it and report location whenever it is plugged into a computer and connects to their server.
If it could do that with it's own internal WiFi or Bluetooth all the better.
Cooperation with 3rd party apps may help do this too.
 
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