Testing iX Ci Platform / ShifterMax set-up

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RDForum.org member radarrob was kind enough to run my radar/lidar system through its paces yesterday. Below is what we found out as well as some questions for those of you more experienced with Escort:

The Radar/Lidar System tested is a Escort iX Ci Platform with Escort ShifterMax Pack Plus. The Front Radar Receiver is mounted behind the front grill. ShifterMax heads are mounted underneath the front bumper. No rear radar receiver or rear shifter heads. The iX Ci had a positive GPS positioning lock and was connected to a phone running Escort Live app (as well as other apps simultaneously).

Laser Gun Used for Testing: Speed Laser S

Ka band Radar Gun Used for Testing: 34.716 Stalker II MDR

First things first, kudos to Rob for not only being willing to bring out all his gear and test, but to do so on one of the coldest days of the year. He was standing outside in 20F degree temperatures plus windchill for a few hours while I got to drive back and forth warm in my car. Thanks again Rob!

The first thing we tested was laser. With the Escort/ShifterMax set to “always jam” the ShifterMax heads successfully jammed the laser gun from a few thousand feet out all the way to immediate proximity.

When testing the Escort’s Auto JTK feature it seems that the four-second setting may actually be longer than four-seconds and six-seconds longer than six. Neither of us were using a stop-watch and it is likely the cold weather was causing us to count (one-one thousand, two-one thousand) faster than real-time. Regardless, testing appears to conclude that LASER-OFF, JTK4 and JTK6 work as designed. Longer JTK settings were not tested.

Prior to “always on” and the JTK4 and JTK6 passes we did a few passes where I was (immediately upon receiving a laser warning) decelerated and turned the shifters off manually (double-tap mute button) on the console controller, duplicating what I would do in real practice. Doing so created a few problems. First is I didn’t communicate well to Rob that I was in fact turning the Shifters Off manually (thereby testing my ability to work the system properly) which made Rob think early on the Shifters may not be operating properly.

The second issue was when double-tapping the mute button the iX Ci would then immediately ask “do you want to lock out this signal?” Lock-out is normally a three-tap mute execute function, which caused me to be confused whether or not I was in fact turning the Shifters off correctly or at all, since it seemed the iX Ci thought I wanted to lock-out when I was in fact just attempting to turn off the Shifters. I do not know if the “do you want to lock out this signal?” on double-tap is a design feature or flaw, as it seems possible if in the heat of a moment one could inadvertently lock-out a signal by mistake (which in the case of our testing may have caused future passes to have inaccurate results).

The next system related problem was that upon each successive pass in the same approximate geographic area the iX Ci Platform and Escort Live were saving the previous GPS locations and repeatedly warning me of the previous Live Laser (and later live radar) activity. As each test pass ensued the previous activity warnings began to interfere with the current test warnings. Ideally with this sort of repeated testing it would be best to clear the previous location memory, or tell the system somehow not to warn regarding the previous activity, without actually locking out. This problem then became worse when we started testing radar.

Upon testing Ka Band from the front it appeared the iX Ci Platform (as installed) alerted to Ka from a few thousand feet away. Rob reports that he did shoot Ka at my rear a few times. I never received a Ka warning while driving away from Rob (being hit in the rear), however it should be noted that with each subsequent pass (then at approximately ten passes) the iX Ci Platform was repeatedly warning about previous laser and Ka activity in the area (caused by us) which appeared to be overloading the system (at least causing the “speech warning prompts” to audibly stutter repeatedly).

Without knowing how to clear out the previous passes from memory we eventually called the testing off as Rob was in need of thawing-out and the Escort iX Ci Platform kept stuttering until I departed the geographic area. Turning the system on/off was attempted but did not help, as upon rebooting I was still in an area saturated with previous hits still in the system.

For those more knowledgeable about Escort systems, is there a way to clear the memory, or tell the system not to record a previous testing pass? It seems such an ability would be necessary for any further serious testing.

Does anyone have experience with this system regarding rear-facing radar reception?

Thanks all.
 

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Thanks for the post and sharing your experience ! I think much of the challenge you had was with EL as that was causing the notices of prior activity/alerts. I personally would not test with EL connected.
 

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Thanks for the post and sharing your experience ! I think much of the challenge you had was with EL as that was causing the notices of prior activity/alerts. I personally would not test with EL connected.

Thank you for the feedback.

I believe a connection of EL would only impact the equation IF alerts were from other RDs.

Without EL connected the iX Ci Platform records all local radar/lidar activity received by the RD system in question assuming a GPS signal is present.

Thus, in this case the problem of repeated alerts/stuttering may have occurred regardless of EL being active or not since the alerts I was receiving were not from other RDs on EL but from my own.

No?
 

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Without EL connected the iX Ci Platform records all local radar/lidar activity received by the RD system in question assuming a GPS signal is present.

I do not have, nor have I run the iX Ci platform, but would speculate that it should function like any other GPS enabled RD. It should only alert to either an active signal or a stored/marked location. For instance if you marked the location as a “speed trap” or “redlight cam”, you should receive a warning as you approach the area.

With Escorts Autolearn feature enabled if you receive the same signal (K or X band) at the same location multiple times, it will eventually auto learn the signal and lock it out.

I do not believe under any circumstances, outside of EL connectivity, the RD would re-alert you to a signal that you previously received, but is not present.

I hope I properly understood your question and this helps.
 

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Great job with the testing!

If you force close Escort Live on your phone, the detector will no longer alert you to radar and laser alerts in the cloud like that. :)
 

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Great job with the testing!

If you force close Escort Live on your phone, the detector will no longer alert you to radar and laser alerts in the cloud like that. :)

I think Escort Live runs in the background (on my iPhone 8). Any suggestions on insuring the iX Ci Platform is not communicating with it (short of removing the phone). Maybe disconnect the Bluetooth link?

Changing settings with the phone is much more convenient than using the RD.
 

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I think Escort Live runs in the background (on my iPhone 8). Any suggestions on insuring the iX Ci Platform is not communicating with it (short of removing the phone). Maybe disconnect the Bluetooth link?

Changing settings with the phone is much more convenient than using the RD.

Right which is why you force close it. I do that with my iPhone 8 before testing and it prevents alerts going to and from the cloud. You could also disable BT on your phone to accomplish the same thing.

It’s easy enough to connect as needed to change settings. You can disconnect for the actual testing. :)
 

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Right which is why you force close it. I do that with my iPhone 8 before testing and it prevents alerts going to and from the cloud. You could also disable BT on your phone to accomplish the same thing.

It’s easy enough to connect as needed to change settings. You can disconnect for the actual testing. :)

Thanks. Wasn't sure if swipe-up actually shut down the app (prevented it from running in the background), which is why I asked about disconnecting BT. I'll try it both ways. Curious to retest the radar reception without EL.
 

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If you travel out of State(like Maryland) - I recommend you try to attend a Testing "Meet" where you could experience more variety of speed Lidar models to confirm your ER system is meeting your expectations of performance.
 

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If you travel out of State(like Maryland) - I recommend you try to attend a Testing "Meet" where you could experience more variety of speed Lidar models to confirm your ER system is meeting your expectations of performance.

I would be interested,. How does one find out about such meets? - T
 

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I would be interested,. How does one find out about such meets? - T
They're announced here in the appropriate Thread section - however, there hasn't been one in southernNJ area (many in the past) for quite a while. More frequently held now up in the NJ/NY/CT stateline area & sometimes in suburbs of the Big Apple.
 

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Right which is why you force close it. I do that with my iPhone 8 before testing and it prevents alerts going to and from the cloud. You could also disable BT on your phone to accomplish the same thing.

It’s easy enough to connect as needed to change settings. You can disconnect for the actual testing. :)


Vortex, firstly I very much appreciate your YouTube videos. Thank you.

Second is I had the opportunity to discuss my system and testing with a Technical Support representative from Escort today and he said something very interesting which I thought you may want to know for your own testing and evaluations.

In regard to my iX Ci Platform becoming over loaded due to repeated lidar detections in the same geographic area, he said it would be prudent to not only force Escort Live off during tests but also to make sure that GPS is turned off in settings on the Escort detector.

The reason for this is even with Escort Live forced off on the phone the individual Escort radar detector will automatically lock-out after three receptions of the same frequency in the same geographic location. Turning off GPS prevents the radar detector from knowing where it is, therefore prevents it effectively from auto locking out.

So it seems best testing practices with these units is to turn off GPS in settings and also force Escort Live to shut down on the phone during tests.
 

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Vortex, firstly I very much appreciate your YouTube videos. Thank you.

Second is I had the opportunity to discuss my system and testing with a Technical Support representative from Escort today and he said something very interesting which I thought you may want to know for your own testing and evaluations.

In regard to my iX Ci Platform becoming over loaded due to repeated lidar detections in the same geographic area, he said it would be prudent to not only force Escort Live off during tests but also to make sure that GPS is turned off in settings on the Escort detector.

The reason for this is even with Escort Live forced off on the phone the individual Escort radar detector will automatically lock-out after three receptions of the same frequency in the same geographic location. Turning off GPS prevents the radar detector from knowing where it is, therefore prevents it effectively from auto locking out.

So it seems best testing practices with these units is to turn off GPS in settings and also force Escort Live to shut down on the phone during tests.

That’s true about autolockouts when testing with X or K band. Those won’t kick in for testing Ka or Laser though.
 

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