Expected release date for Theia?

I anticipate a RAI/Theia RD from Radenso in - 1st quarter of 2020


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Jon at Radenso

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@Jon at Radenso Off topic, but you took it there, so.... what I can’t stand about the M1 laptops is the fact that memory and storage is halved and I can’t even drop in more memory or a different SSD if I wanted to. I get that integrated systems and pathways make for way faster performance, but it still chaps my ass that not only is Apple limiting my upgradability but they’re also making it way more expensive (and currently not possible) to get the higher spect configs. Performance aside, their driving force is money and greed and they know people like you (no offense) will spend whatever to get whatever, no matter the limit. It’s like drug dealers. Apple knows you’re gonna break down and just bear it and buy the limits they give you because you’re itching for the fix. After all, you said it yourself, “I have no choice.” Well, you do, but that choice is one they know nobody will continue taking as it’s not as good by a good margin. That’s why the whole “vote with your wallet” doesn’t work in capitalism when one company surpasses all others and that drives the consumer to basically not really have a choice.

Ironically, if you play your cards right, Theia has the ability to do the same to the RD market. Eventually, the price vs performance return will tip and people won’t give a shit what it costs and will get it. Everyone else will suffer. Then we’ll start seeing Radenso start offering financing options, if you’re not already doing that, for their product to get it into even more hands at less of an initial financial hit. It’s worked for the carriers to sell $1400 phones.... you gonna tell me Randy hasn’t pondered it? Haha

I think you're missing why Apple does that.

People like me will pay for the best tool for the job. When you look at an integrated system, it is ultimately simply better in several areas than one that is upgradable:

1. It is mechanically simpler - lighter, stronger, thinner
2. Consolidating RAM onto the CPU SoC makes it ridiculously fast and opens up a unified memory architecture that simply isn't possible with upgradable ram
3. Rolling their own silicon has given Apple the fastest laptop CPU in the world, the fastest laptop integrated GPU in the world, and the fastest laptop SSD in the world.

These are things that are impossible to do with an upgradable architecture. Given that, what's the point of being upgradable? Allowing upgradable RAM would give me slightly higher maximum configuration, but it would make my laptop thicker, the RAM would be slower, and I would lose the unified ram architecture. Battery life would suffer, there would need to be additional silicon to function as a RAM controller, etc.

Overall, the laptop would be worse. And if the laptop is worse, then I might start to look at PC competitors.

I actually didn't buy the M1 Macbook Pro because I do need 32GB of ram and 4 thunderbolt 3 ports. But the next generation will surely have that. And when it does, I will buy it - and I won't miss upgradability for a second. Because if it was upgradable, it would be a worse overall laptop since I would lose the benefits of the ingrated design.

Now that we are a company that writes our own operating system for hardware that we design, I clearly and obviously understand why Apple does what it does.
 
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I get that, but if I’m going to be slapped in the face with static hardware, at least don’t rape me on the price as well. Apple has always given it to you and made you “take it” too, by their actions and conditions, if you know what I mean. But then again, they didn’t get to be Apple by being nice about it.
 

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I get that, but if I’m going to be slapped in the face with static hardware, at least don’t rape me on the price as well. Apple has always given it to you and made you “take it” too, by their actions and conditions, if you know what I mean. But then again, they didn’t get to be Apple by being nice about it.

I honestly feel Apple offers a pretty good value. Piecing together an AIO PC with similar specs to an iMac Pro would be more expensive if you include the screen. The Mac Mini M1 annihilates every mini PC on the market and starts at $699. The Macbook Air is now faster than every single mainstream PC laptop and is now $999 starting. I literally can't buy a PC laptop that is built as well as a Macbook Pro. In our office alone we have had $3k Microsoft Surface laptops just straight up disintegrate 10 days after warranty, HP Spectre Elite keyboards fall apart, Lenovo and Asus laptops fall apart at the hinges, etc. I can't buy a PC laptop with 4 thunderbolt 3 ports regardless of what I want to spend.

Apple is not a good value for the cheapest of the cheap computers, but in the midrange to premium space they are a pretty solid value.
 

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I honestly feel Apple offers a pretty good value. Piecing together an AIO PC with similar specs to an iMac Pro would be more expensive if you include the screen. The Mac Mini M1 annihilates every mini PC on the market and starts at $699. The Macbook Air is now faster than every single mainstream PC laptop and is now $999 starting. I literally can't buy a PC laptop that is built as well as a Macbook Pro. In our office alone we have had $3k Microsoft Surface laptops just straight up disintegrate 10 days after warranty, HP Spectre Elite keyboards fall apart, Lenovo and Asus laptops fall apart at the hinges, etc. I can't buy a PC laptop with 4 thunderbolt 3 ports regardless of what I want to spend.

Apple is not a good value for the cheapest of the cheap computers, but in the midrange to premium space they are a pretty solid value.
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Performance aside, their driving force is money and greed
Versus...what?

By the way, if you have a need for additional storage, there are numerous options. If a USB4/Thunderbolt port doesn’t provide sufficient throughout I’d be interested to hear the use case.
 

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Versus...what?

By the way, if you have a need for additional storage, there are numerous options. If a USB4/Thunderbolt port doesn’t provide sufficient throughout I’d be interested to hear the use case.
I like an all encompassing solution. Don’t want to be using external drives for storage. I have a 1TB SSD in my current MBP and threw in 16GB. It’s the last gen i7 that still had an optical drive in it and it’s quick and it would even run the latest OSX, but they decided not to support it because they test everything in stock form and of course a non-SSD MBP of that age is going to drag ass. It dragged ass when it was new with a standard drive in it.

To me 16GB and 1TB is minimum spec. For the price they want on that 13” highest spec one, they should have had that option. But nah, I’m sure the next iteration will be $2200 to get that RAM and SSD spec. 🙄
 

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I like an all encompassing solution. Don’t want to be using external drives for storage. I have a 1TB SSD in my current MBP and threw in 16GB. It’s the last gen i7 that still had an optical drive in it and it’s quick and it would even run the latest OSX, but they decided not to support it because they test everything in stock form and of course a non-SSD MBP of that age is going to drag ass. It dragged ass when it was new with a standard drive in it.

To me 16GB and 1TB is minimum spec. For the price they want on that 13” highest spec one, they should have had that option. But nah, I’m sure the next iteration will be $2200 to get that RAM and SSD spec. 🙄
They do offer that spec and have since at least 2018....mine is 16GB 2tb. You could get the 2020 Intel MBP in 4tb, 32gb. The M1 is temporarily limited to 16gb/2tb since it's their lower end one with 2 thunderbolt 3 ports, but the higher end ones will come out next year.
 

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They do offer that spec and have since at least 2018....mine is 16GB 2tb. You could get the 2020 Intel MBP in 4tb, 32gb. The M1 is temporarily limited to 16gb/2tb since it's their lower end one with 2 thunderbolt 3 ports, but the higher end ones will come out next year.
Yeah, I was referring to the M1 ones.

BTW, I cracked your encryption in post #684. Very sneaky, but I saw right through it. 😆
 
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Great, get one like that, then. Should be in your hands in a couple weeks.


Cool, you have lots of options. Good luck!
There’s no current M1 with those specs and I have no pending need to replace what I have now. I don’t find my current MBP to be slow at all.
 

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There’s no current M1 with those specs
From my “bag” at Apple.com

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I don’t find my current MBP to be slow at all.
Then stop complaining? ;)

EDIT: Just for clarity’s sake, I have no need for such a device myself. My work laptop is a Dell PC, and it does everything I need. The only Mac I’ve ever personally owned was a hand-me-down Mac Mini (pre-Intel), and I never did anything much with it. I’ve used Macs before—including back in the 1900’s when I was editing and laying out campus newspapers—and like them just fine. But I can’t justify the expense personally or for the company’s dime to run Windows for work and not really benefit much from the Mac underpinnings, M1 or otherwise. So it’s not for me regardless, and I don’t foresee buying one. But to complain about the equivalent of “range anxiety” because you might not be able to do stuff in the future (swap out boards for one with more memory for example) that you might in theory find yourself wanting to do at some point in the future is kind of silly. Stick with what you have for as long as it does the job, and evaluate whatever options exist in the future one day when it’s time to make that decision.
 
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Hmmm, that config option sure wasn’t there on launch day, I don’t remember it anyway. Anyway, no complaints about my current MBP, it’s fine. Running some fast Corsair or Crucial (can’t remember) RAM in it and a Samsung SSD and I don’t feel it’s laggy, even on OS upgrades, etc. Which is what my complaint is with Apple. The latest OSX is the first one where they stopped allowing my gen MBP to upgrade to it, which sucks because it would run it without any issues. That’s really my only gripe with them now.

And I’ve never missed my old PCs. With Parallels running for either work programs or car diag or tuning software that I need, it’s perfect. I can be in OSX one second and the next, with a three finger wipe left or right, flip desktops to Windows. And I can even run other configs for a Windows OS, like server, etc. I did that a lot a few years ago when I had certain jobs. Now, in all honesty, I use my iPhone more daily than my laptop. Last time I turned it On was to pull someone’s DTC codes off their car to help them diagnose a problem.
 

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Judging by the fact that it’s 5 weeks away from 2021, we are just now seeing one internal picture, and no test results have been posted, I feel it’s unlikely we see theia available for sale this year. Waiting for a quality product is fine, all we ask is to be up front and honest with consumers.
 

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Judging by the fact that it’s 5 weeks away from 2021, we are just now seeing one internal picture, and no test results have been posted, I feel it’s unlikely we see theia available for sale this year. Waiting for a quality product is fine, all we ask is to be up front and honest with consumers.

Going forward, I will increase our honestly level to that of Escort:

Theia was actually released six months ago and uses a holographic screen.
 

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Going forward, I will increase our honestly level to that of Escort:

Theia was actually released six months ago and uses a holographic screen.
No need to be snarky. If you pride yourself on transparency, then be transparent about the likelihood of seeing it available this year.
 

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No need to be snarky. If you pride yourself on transparency, then be transparent about the likelihood of seeing it available this year.

I'm not being snarky, Theia was released 6 months ago and has a holographic screen. And the R360C uses AI. Where have you been?
 

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I'm not being snarky, Theia was released 6 months ago and has a holographic screen. And the R360C uses AI. Where have you been?
You seem defensive. If it’s looking like it will be delayed a few months, no worries, just tell us. I doubt most people will buy a crappy escort product in the meantime. But radenso’s selling point appears to at least partially be company honesty and transparency.
 

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You seem defensive. If it’s looking like it will be delayed a few months, no worries. I doubt most people will buy a crappy escort product in the meantime. But radenso’s selling point appears to at least partially be company honesty and transparency.

I could tell you we manufacture all of our products on Mars and we'd still have more transparency than any other company in the industry.

Our selling point will ultimately be delivering the best in class product. From a business standpoint, our strategy is to be so superior performance wise that people have no choice to buy us if they want the best product. That being the case, feel free to buy as you wish. I truly don't want difficult customers - they are ultimately less profitable for us. I'd rather they buy Escort. Either you'll buy in with the Radenso platform and ethos of innovation or you'll have an inferior detector. Your choice - doesn't matter to me, I'll sell out regardless.
 
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