POP in New Jersey?

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I have an Escort iX Ci Platform system with ShifterMax 2 shifters. Recently on the New Jersey Garden State Parkway, with the iX Ci Platform in Highway mode – POP detection off, I went from zero detection to 100% full blast Ka band in the blink of an eye. I slowed down to the speed of traffic and was eventually pulled over. The State Trooper ticketed me only for the speed he paced me at after slowing down (the speed of traffic), not the original speed when the iX Ci Platform went off.

Was the Trooper “being nice?”

Or was he using POP (which I believe is inadmissible in NJ) and didn't want to fight a losing battle if ticketing based on that alone?

Since then I’ve tried detection POP ON however I receive a lot of what I believe are false positives and have since turned POP off.

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Do you remember the frequency of the alert. Unless it was 33.8 it wouldn’t be POP. Also, with POP turned off you wouldn’t get an alert on a POP shot probably. He was likely pacing you and just hit you with instant on from close distance.
 

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Do you remember the frequency of the alert. Unless it was 33.8 it wouldn’t be POP. Also, with POP turned off you wouldn’t get an alert on a POP shot probably. He was probably pacing you and just hit you with instant on from close distance.

I did (do) not have the Escort set-up to display the exact frequency, just K, X, Ka, Laser, etc. Maybe I should display frequency?

Let me clarify, I did not receive a POP alert. Just trying to understand why the Escort went from 0% to 100% so quick.

The LEO was in a stopped position on the shoulder of the highway in the woods. I observed him as I passed and saw him pull out into traffic.
 
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Sounds like he just I/Oed you. Gotta watch your mirrors!!
 

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I did (do) not have the Escort set-up to display the exact frequency, just K, X, Ka, Laser, etc. Maybe I should display frequency?
Only if you want to. It gives you more information if you understand what they mean. Some like it, others just want to know k or ka. It wouldn’t have helped you in an I/O situation. It’s more to rule out falses.
 

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Let me clarify, I did not receive a POP alert. Just trying to understand why the Escort went from 0% to 100% so quick.
It was operating his radar gun like a real gun, "instant on." He wasn't transmitting radar, but saw you as a target at close range and blasted you.
 

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Yeah this sounds like classic I/O. There isn't much you can do to combat this besides top level sensitivity to hopefully sniff a LEO using I/O up ahead.

NJ people, what guns do troopers usually use?
 

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Sounds like he just I/Oed you. Gotta watch your mirrors!!

Ha! Well one of the negatives with the Stinger is rear visibility. I edited my response above. The LEO was in a stopped position ahead of me when the Escort went off (100%). No warning before that.
 

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The LEO was in a stopped position on the shoulder of the highway in the woods. I observed him as I passed and saw him pull out into traffic.
Was he parallel or perpendicular to traffic?
 

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NJ people, what guns do troopers usually use?
NJ is a mixed bag whenever I drive through it. IO/CO/Laser/K/Ka/X its a bit of a cluster ****.
 

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Was he parallel or perpendicular to traffic?

I don't really recall to give you an exact answer. It was at night and therefore dark.

I do recall seeing his headlights as he left the shoulder and merged into traffic behind me. I don't recall ever seeing his taillights, so if I were to guess I would guess perpendicular.

Curious why parallel or perpendicular matters? Angle of Arrival? Eager to learn ...
 

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I don't really recall to give you an exact answer. It was at night and therefore dark.

I do recall seeing his headlights as he left the shoulder and merged into traffic behind me. I don't recall ever seeing his taillights, so if I were to guess I would guess perpendicular.

Curious why parallel or perpendicular matters? Angle of Arrival? Eager to learn ...

The direction the LEO was facing can sometimes give an idea of what equipment was being used. Parallel can often mean a mounted dash radar unit was used (not definitely, LEO can always unmount the antenna and hold it at the window if they wanted to). Cosine error tells us that a LEO can't get an accurate speed reading off a forward facing radar antenna when the car is parked at 90 degrees to traffic.

Perpendicular could indicate handheld radar or lidar, as it offers a perfect vantage point to aim out the window with a handheld device and compensate for the cosine error. Again, this isn't gospel. LEO's can shoot lidar and handheld radar guns in different methods while facing parallel to the road, but overall, these are common occurrences.
 

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I would guess perpendicular.
NJSP run 100% Stalker dash mount units in my experience, so if he was parked perpendicular to the road it's very unlikely he clocked you with radar. They do sometimes leave their radar on when running LIDAR, so a brief strong alert in that case would be expected. If it was LIDAR though, I'm surprised your shifters didn't alert. Have you had them tested?
 

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NJ people, what guns do troopers usually use?

Stalker DSR 2X (front and rear antenna 34.6)

On the Turnpike they use constant on and I have seen instant on used only once in a year of driving up and down that highway. On the GSP they use a ton of instant on from what I read


@NJRedStingerGT2 no need to turn POP on. He used instant on on you 34.7. Use rabbits when you drive. They hide all over the place
 

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If it was LIDAR though, I'm surprised your shifters didn't alert. Have you had them tested?

There is quite a bit of LEO lidar activity on the NJ Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike. I've received positive lidar detections confirmed by visual observation of the LEO both before and after this event. I think in this case lidar from in front of me is unlikely as the ShifterMax appears to be operating properly (unless this particular Trooper was using a different laser gun than others, but I would assume it's fairly standardized within a state agency).
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@NJRedStingerGT2 no need to turn POP on. He used instant on on you 34.7. Use rabbits when you drive. They hide all over the place

Rabbits?
 
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There is quite a bit of LEO lidar activity on the NJ Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike. I've received positive lidar detections confirmed by visual observation of the LEO both before and after this event. I think in this case lidar from in front of me is unlikely as the ShifterMax appears to be operating properly (unless this particular Trooper was using a different laser gun than others, but I would assume it's fairly standardized within a state agency).

Do you have sensors in the back of the car? Would be wise to get them as well. I have seen many units on the off-ramps on the turnpike
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There is quite a bit of LEO lidar activity on the NJ Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike. I've received positive lidar detections confirmed by visual observation of the LEO both before and after this event. I think in this case lidar from in front of me is unlikely as the ShifterMax appears to be operating properly (unless this particular Trooper was using a different laser gun than others, but I would assume it's fairly standardized within a state agency).
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Rabbits?

Keeping another car in front of you at a certain distance so they are the primary target for the LEOs ahead of you
 
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Do you have sensors in the back of the car? Would be wise to get them as well. I have seen many units on the off-ramps on the turnpike

Currently front only. I see you have AL Priority. How often do you get lazed from behind? I would assume not often. In your opinion as I already have iX Ci Platform with ShifterMax in front, would you advise ShifterMax for the rear ... or scrap the ShifterMax altogether and move to a different lidar system? I've read AL is the best ... but since I already have ShifterMax in front I was wondering if it makes sense to throw more money in that direction or not.
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Keeping another car in front of you at a certain distance so they are the primary target for the LEOs ahead of you

That is what I thought you meant. Thanks.
 
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Old fashioned IO
 

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It seems like it would be prudent to change the title of this thread from:

"POP in New Jersey"

to

"POP in New Jersey?"
 

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This was definitely I/O. Only some models of MPH Industries Ka and K Band radar guns are capable of POP mode. This officer most likely suspected you of speeding, and pulled onto the road and hit you as soon as he could once he was behind and facing you. He could have adjusted his radar antenna to point at you as you approached, but based on the fact that he pulled onto the road and you didn't get any radar alerts until after he was behind you facing your rear, I'm certain that he simply pulled out onto the roadway, and then activated his radar at that point.

Some food for thought:
If he had used POP and your iX Ci had POP detection disabled, you most likely wouldn't have gotten a hit at all; Ka POP would be a 67ms duration signal at most, and the iX Ci doesn't sweep fast enough to reliably and consistently encounter POP with Ka POP detection turned off. Detection of Ka POP would be even less likely if Ka filter is enabled with POP detection turned off, as on the small chance a sweep did overlap with the 67ms duration of a POP signal, the Ka Filter feature of the Escort iX would filter it out, and you wouldn't be alerted to it.
 

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