Whats the deal with speed enforcement in PA?

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I do a significant amount of driving in PA these days. I-80, I-70, Route 119/22, I-99. I know that only state police are allowed to use radar (and now LIDAR). What does this mean in practice? Do local police not typically do speed enforcement? I've heard stories of undercovers trailing you to clock speed?

Are there many radar detector users here from PA? The highway drones are all over the place here it seems (including some Ka band?). And combined with the lack of radar use by local police, it seems like detectors are far less useful than other states?

Just looking for some local perspective for someone from Ohio.

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Are you asking if the locals can use radar, as far as I know, no. Still use vascar
 

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The answer is locals use ways of detection that can't be detected in normal ways. VASCAR is popular around my part of PA. Basically a cop has to be sitting somewhere and "measure" your speed between to fixed points. Most often that is two white lines a specific distance apart. (see photo)


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Stop watches, ENRADD & ROBIC are some others.

All of these methods are manpower intensive. It means at least one cop just sitting and waiting for speeders, not patrolling the town. PA has about 2,560 municipalities, a lot of 2 cop towns among them and they simply don't bother with speed because of it.

On the flip side some of the larger towns run traps, they'll have a few cops down the road from the "watcher' pulling over the speeders.

Every legislative session a local use RADAR bill comes up, it normally passes the Senate, then dies in the House. It's said they don't want all the two cop towns to become speed trap revenue generators, even though prohibiting that kind of thing is usually included in the bills language.


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The answer is locals use ways of detection that can't be detected in normal ways. VASCAR is popular around my part of PA. Basically a cop has to be sitting somewhere and "measure" your speed between to fixed points. Most often that is two white lines a specific distance apart. (see photo)


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Stop watches, ENRADD & ROBIC are some others.

All of these methods are manpower intensive. It means at least one cop just sitting and waiting for speeders, not patrolling the town. PA has about 2,560 municipalities, a lot of 2 cop towns among them and they simply don't bother with speed because of it.

On the flip side some of the larger towns run traps, they'll have a few cops down the road from the "watcher' pulling over the speeders.

Every legislative session a local use RADAR bill comes up, it normally passes the Senate, then dies in the House. It's said they don't want all the two cop towns to become speed trap revenue generators, even though prohibiting that kind of thing is usually included in the bills language.


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Helpful info. I've seen long sections of highway painted with large white dots on Route 322 coming out of State College and figured it was for VASCAR.

Back in my college days I did plenty of triple digit sprints on I-80 from Ohio to visit friends on the east coast and never got pulled over. Speed enforcement is definitely more lax than Ohio. But at least in Ohio, with the proper counter measures, you can be pretty well protected. Ohio Highway Patrol loves their laser.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something major. In general, what are some signs of a speed trap that you look for? I.e. on Ohio highways, your eyes stay targeted at the center of the highway for Highway Patrol running laser/radar in the pullouts or motorcycle units with a laser shooter on foot behind a barrier. (Or airplanes, but that's a different story).
 
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Helpful info. I've seen long sections of highway painted with large white dots on Route 322 coming out of State College and figured it was for VASCAR.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something major. In general, what are some signs of a speed trap that you look for?
Here's a story on the dots: https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-2009-06-15-4390819-story.html

As for the signs to look for, other than noticing the two, appearing random, lines, there is none. If you are local to an area you get to know where enforcement is heavy but realistically with the means the locals are allowed, there are no countermeasures other than staying alert.
 

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I went to undergrad in PA and a detector was definitely needed. I never ran into much speed enforcement from locals but on the interstate the state troopers were definitely active with instant on K band, sometimes low powered Falcon HR. The other weird rule (not sure if still true) was that they had to be stationary. I never encountered real Ka band besides the drones or speed signs. Keep in mind my experience was 8+ yrs ago.
 

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I've ran into ENRADD by the locals and instant on k band from staties
 

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PA Senate Bill 607 passed on June 26, 2019 by the Senate has been sent to the House. It would allow local use of Radar. They also wish to allow State Troopers to use moving radar (currently they must be parked and the clocking unit MUST be out side the vehicle either handheld by the LEO or mounted externally to the vehicle which makes things difficult to aim at speeders.

Google has let me down as I can't find out anything about what happened in the House other then it was taken up by the Transportation Committee.
 

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Pennsylvania is perhaps the worst state in the union to own/use a RD in.
You're looking for a needle (state cop) in a haystack full of shit. (BSM, Traffic monitors & door openers)
Of course this may all change if a certain company delivers on signal identification vs frequency identification.
 

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Pennsylvania is perhaps the worst state in the union to own/use a RD in.
You're looking for a needle (state cop) in a haystack full of shit. (BSM, Traffic monitors & door openers)
Of course this may all change if a certain company delivers on signal identification vs frequency identification.

You are right if that RD ISN'T a current V1 paired with JBV1! A large amount of my relatives live in PA and love V1 with JBV1. My last drive through PA had one hard false which is now marketed in JBV1 and two actual PA State Trooper alerts on the way up, on the way back, no false alerts as they were now marked and three PST hits (easy to verify as they are sitting there).

The more ones drives an area with JBV1 (especially if one is using PSL Quiet Ride), the more silent the V1 becomes! This ability eliminates everything but the hardest to stop mobile BSM.
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You are right if that RD ISN'T a current V1 paired with JBV1! A large amount of my relatives live in PA and love V1 with JBV1. My last drive through PA had one hard false which is now marketed in JBV1 and two actual PA State Trooper alerts on the way up, on the way back, no false alerts as they were now marked and three PST hits (easy to verify as they are sitting there).

The more ones drives an area with JBV1 (especially if one is using PSL Quiet Ride), the more silent the V1 becomes! This ability eliminates everything but the hardest to stop mobile BSM.
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How does JBV1 handle speed signs/drones? GPS lockouts or is there some way that JBV1 is able to filter these? They are my biggest annoyance as far as K/Ka band pollution in PA.
 

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How does JBV1 handle speed signs/drones? GPS lockouts or is there some way that JBV1 is able to filter these? They are my biggest annoyance as far as K/Ka band pollution in PA.

With actually SAFE GPS lockouts unlike the ticket getting unsafe lockouts Escort uses!
 

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Uniden's are far worse.

Good to know, I know of some Escort users that received K Band tickets due to GPS Lock. Don't actual know any Uniden users that have been bitten. Sad to hear that happened with Uniden GPS K Band Lockouts also.
 

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Good to know, I know of some Escort users that received K Band tickets due to GPS Lock. Don't actual know any Uniden users that have been bitten. Sad to hear that happened with Uniden GPS K Band Lockouts also.
Uniden locks out a whole 70mhz block. Escort is only 30mhz.
 

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Uniden locks out a whole 70mhz block. Escort is only 30mhz.
And how does JBV1 handle lockouts?

Lockouts definitely make me a little nervous in PA. There are stretches where it's close to a speed sign drone every mile.

Movable speed signs are another reason I like auto lockouts. The Escort should automatically remove the lockout when the signal is no longer present, correct? Whereas presumably the manual lockout systems wouldn't?
 
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And how does JBV1 handle lockouts?

Lockouts definitely make me a little nervous in PA. There are stretches where it's close to a speed sign drone every mile.

Movable speed signs are another reason I like auto lockouts. The Escort should automatically remove the lockout when the signal is no longer present, correct? Whereas presumably the manual lockout systems wouldn't?
JBV1 does an 8mhz block iirc but one of the V1 guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct in that Escort's autolockouts will remove the lockout after not seeing it X times.
 

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And how does JBV1 handle lockouts?

Lockouts definitely make me a little nervous in PA. There are stretches where it's close to a speed sign drone every mile.

Movable speed signs are another reason I like auto lockouts. The Escort should automatically remove the lockout when the signal is no longer present, correct? Whereas presumably the manual lockout systems wouldn't?

The JBV1 Lockouts are Automatic but when you know they are fixed (like a school zone warning that doesn't move) you can manually lock them out first time instead of waiting to pass it three times. JBV1 also "Forgets" fixed K Band after X amount of time if it hasn't had another hit, Example: I drive by a Police setup mobile speed announcement sign in the morning then in the afternoon and then coming home, it is now locked out. Two weeks later they move it so it is not being locked out as it isn't there, 90 days later it is no longer in JBV1 either.

JBV1 Lockouts have three option as to how you want them to prioritize your lockouts, basically Frequency dependent, Location dependent, or Signal Strength dependent.

And with a narrower then anybody else +/- 8 MHz and 250M location, it is highly unlikely that that you could get a ticket from a LEO hiding in a location that has been locked out (unlike the wide open frequency range locked out by Uniden 70MHz and Escort 30 MHz).

The JBV1 Auto and Manual Lockouts just work properly!
 

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The JBV1 Lockouts are Automatic but when you know they are fixed (like a school zone warning that doesn't move) you can manually lock them out first time instead of waiting to pass it three times. JBV1 also "Forgets" fixed K Band after X amount of time if it hasn't had another hit, Example: I drive by a Police setup mobile speed announcement sign in the morning then in the afternoon and then coming home, it is now locked out. Two weeks later they move it so it is not being locked out as it isn't there, 90 days later it is no longer in JBV1 either.

JBV1 Lockouts have three option as to how you want them to prioritize your lockouts, basically Frequency dependent, Location dependent, or Signal Strength dependent.

And with a narrower then anybody else +/- 8 MHz and 250M location, it is highly unlikely that that you could get a ticket from a LEO hiding in a location that has been locked out (unlike the wide open frequency range locked out by Uniden 70MHz and Escort 30 MHz).

The JBV1 Auto and Manual Lockouts just work properly!
Nice. I'm an iPhone user and with V1's being out of stock anyways, its kind of an academic argument. I'll have to stick with my 360 for now. But once the new Radenso detector comes out with an open API (and JBV1 adds support), or if V1 ever restocks, I'll be very tempted to go that route.
 

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