Getting detector audio into helmet

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Are there any the Phone apps like the V1 Connection app or Escort Live app that can work with other brand radar detectors?

Eg using a R3 that has a BT sender dongle?

I've tried just going from R3 & dongle to my Sena 50r headset and it connects fine. But the BT dongle always holds onto the connection in the Sena headset so that no other headset profiles can get through once the radar BT dongle connected (I tried Packtalk bold too). You literally have to manually move between profiles. Which means if I'm in the phone profile then I won't hear the radar. Or vice versa.

What I mean by that is, the channels won't merge and integrate when the BT DONGLE is connected. So you have to physically change between the different channels. This is no good if you are listening to music because you won't hear the radar go off because it is on the other channel.

My set up is:
Sena 50r. Using mesh to talk to mates.
2 devices to connect to the Sena 50s. My phone and my R3 radar.

Seems simple right. But somehow not working as expected.

the Phone (Android) connects to Sena 50r (vis the 1st phone profile} and supples Music, Maps & phone calls via this connection.

The Radar was to be plugged into a BT sender and intended to connect via BT to the Sena 50r using the headsets 2nd phone profile.

I tried using the Sena SR10 as the dongle for the radar and that seemed to work ok. But the SR10 is old technology and when it is sitting idle and the radar goes off it has about 1-2 second or more latency before the signal gets received in the headset. That basically stuffs up reaction times for police radar and isn't acceptable.

So I tried using some of the inexpensive low latency Bluetooth dongles, but as mentioned, when they connect to the headset they hog the channels and prevent other channels from merging and being heard. This means that if you are in the profile that can hear the radar detector, then you won't be able to hear your music or get a phone call or maps or anything else coming in from your phone because other profiles are shut out.

Obviously I want to have full functionality and be able to hear music and still connect with friends over mesh Bluetooth. But I need the radar signal to be a priority.

So I wondered if there is an application that behaves like the v1connection or Escort Live app but would enable me to use a different brand of radar that has a dongle?

That way I can pair the radar to the phone and the phone is always active with the headset so there will be no latency.

And hopefully it will switch between inputs on the phone from music and phone calls etc

Or even simpler, can I use an auxiliary cable to plug the radar into the headphone jack of the phone (using a splitter to ensure the radar signal comes in to the phone as if it was microphone input) and is there an app that can pick that signal up and send it to the Sena 50r?
I tried various configurations for a long time. At the end of it all, I determined that basically, I needed to find a way to get the RD audio into my phone where it can then go via Bluetooth to the headset. Like you, I tried multiple brands of Bluetooth dongles and even my old SM-10 to get my R7 (or my ancient V1) audio into my Cardo Packtalk Bold. Nothing worked; it was an either/or proposition. Once a device latched onto a Bluetooth channel, it didn’t let go. When I upgraded to the V1G2, it was the solution I’d been searching for. V1Driver runs in the background and doesn’t interfere with the music streaming from my iPhone. When a radar signal is detected, it drops the music volume, plays the alert and then let’s the music resume at its previous volume. If you can find a way to get your R3 audio into your phone, that’ll be the ticket.
 

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been down this track with the R series, essentially you need a bluetooth transmitter that uses the handsfree protocol. Check youyr sena manual for details. Its the same protocol that a Navigation device uses to give turn information etc, it mutes the intercom or phone call. You have to pair it as a second phone. Anyway short of building your own theres not a lot of options
 

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been down this track with the R series, essentially you need a bluetooth transmitter that uses the handsfree protocol. Check youyr sena manual for details. Its the same protocol that a Navigation device uses to give turn information etc, it mutes the intercom or phone call. You have to pair it as a second phone. Anyway short of building your own theres not a lot of options
Hey Pork chop were tried many different BT dongles, including 2 that were HFP. None worked.
So of them held on to the signal and wouldn't release the channel on the Headset (tried different headsets too. Sena 20, 30, 50s. Packtalk bold, U Clear.)

But...

I think I solved it today.

Audio cable from radar to phone. Then Microphone Free app.

I used cable from R3 radar audio out, and plugged into the audio in on my phone. (Tried with a Samsung Note9 & an iPhone 10 with adapter)
But I used an adapter to split the audio input to the phone so that my audio plugged into just the mic input.

I'll attach an example of the adapter/splitter I used. I plugged my 3.5mm sterio cable into it.

That cable and adapter can probably be bought as a single unit.

Anyway... once the cable is plugged in and the signal is going to the phone then use the microphone app to select the imput channel. Which in this case is microphone. And the export to selection, which in this case was a Sena headset.

it worked perfectly and the radar signal came through loud and clear into my helmet. My phone is the only thing connected to my helmet and I use the maps and music that are on my phone. so now music, maps, phone, and raider all come via my phone to the headset.

Everything worked well except when I tried with the iPhone Siri wouldn't work and I couldn't hear the person talking on the phone when I made a phone call, but they could hear me. However when I unplugged the plug into the bottom of the phone then Siri and phone calls work perfectly.

But... I think the only reason we had the complication with phone calls and Siri was because at that stage I was not using the splitter adaptor which separates the signal so that the phone only thinks it has a microphone plugged in. Otherwise when a normal audio jack is plugged in to the phone and the phone tries to output sound via the audio jack which confuses things for telephone audio and for Siri.

Hopefully that makes sense and good luck if you try it.

The best thing is the adaptor cable is under $10 and there is no technology to go wrong. And the app is free.
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There is the splitter that I used. I plugged a 3.5 ml stereo cable (make plug each end) into this splitter and it worked well. But I think you should be able to get a similar splitter as a one-piece unit with the stereo male plug at one end and the separated microphone male output at the other end

 
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Great solution but if you dont have a phone mounted (mines in my jacket) then its not so simple. I tried a hfp dongle and it failed too, I put it down to ebay quality and false advertising more than anything. I dont mount the phone to avoid all the “junk on the trunk” so my solution was to use a vis alert. I used the data from the rj11 powercord to run a simple circuit that fired the LED’s so only one cable and one device.
been ok so far but am working on a project using a tiny wearable bluetooth arduino to build an in helmet flasher.
The easiest solution is to buy a RD with built in bluetooth!!!
 

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The dongle should work... But don't pair to your headset. Pair it to your phone, then pair your phone to the headset.

It should send a signal to your headset no problem. But if not, then used the microphone app to direct where it goes.

Sorted 👍🤔🤣
 

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Thanks Ill try that and report back!
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Thats as fail as ios and android dont accept the protocol from a bt transmitter
 
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I think one of my mattress got his to work. I think it was a BT dongle that has a HFP protocol in it.
I'll check
 

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