Anyone else having their R7 not alert to Laser?

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Both detectors at the same height, same night, same location, same weather. I can replicate this at every single one of my nearby speed cameras near my home. This was just the closest and I wanted to test the R7's laser capabilities. The speed camera is on the right hand side in the video.


 
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Both detectors at the same height, same night, same location, same weather. I can replicate this at every single one of my nearby speed cameras near my home. This was just the closest and I wanted to test the R7's laser capabilities. The speed camera is on the right hand side in the video.



If you are talking about laser from behind, I agree completely that the R7 (or for that matter any R Series) is going to be bad (very nearly nonexistent). But again, and especially with laser from behind, do you expect that to be a save? :confused:

I don't think there is any dispute that the V1 is the best detector out there for laser detection. The question is just over how valuable that really is.
 
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If you are talking about laser from behind, I agree completely that the R7 (or for that matter any R Series) is going to be bad. But again, and especially with laser from behind, do you expect that to be a save? :confused:

I expect at least an alert of some sort to let me know there is a threat. The R7 is completely blind to it.
 

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I expect at least an alert of some sort to let me know there is a threat. The R7 is completely blind to it.

If it is that important to you, then by all means, take the detector back or sell it. It's not like Uniden's poor rear laser detection has been a secret, though. It's been that way ever since they got back into the radar detector business with the LRD series 4 years ago.
 

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If it is that important to you, then by all means, take the detector back or sell it. It's not like Uniden's poor rear laser detection has been a secret, though. It's been that way ever since they got back into the radar detector business with the LRD series 4 years ago.

That's like saying a it is okay for a car that costs $200,000 to be poorly engineered. You're making an excuse for them. If we hold these companies accountable for a poorly designed product, they'll improve their products.
 

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If it is that important to you, then by all means, take the detector back or sell it. It's not like Uniden's poor rear laser detection has been a secret, though. It's been that way ever since they got back into the radar detector business with the LRD series 4 years ago.
But don't you expect all of your wrenches to be hammers as well?

Manufacturers realize that lazer detection isn't effective from the windshield and don't spend valuable R&D time on it....

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That's like saying a it is okay for a car that costs $200,000 to be poorly engineered. You're making an excuse for them. If we hold these companies accountable for a poorly designed product, they'll improve their products.

I can agree with your view in a certain way. Using your analogy, what if that $200K car came with an 85 MPH speedo? (no time traveling allowed :))

Similarly, by looking at the lidar sensor set up of the R7 you could imply that it's performance would not be fantastic for lidar. It does detect lidar in certain circumstances, but it's not in your circumstances. To you it seems like false advertising, but not everyone sees it that way.
 

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That's like saying a it is okay for a car that costs $200,000 to be poorly engineered. You're making an excuse for them. If we hold these companies accountable for a poorly designed product, they'll improve their products.

The R7's abilities are what they are. It can detect laser from the rear, but the shot has to be right on that "light pipe" and the likelihood of that is small. If you think I'm making excuses for Uniden, that's your perogative. I'm just saying that expecting an RD to save you from laser is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. You might make it out alive, but if you do you're just lucky. So it doesn't matter to me. Clearly it matters to you. So vote with your wallet and send it back.
 

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That's like saying a it is okay for a car that costs $200,000 to be poorly engineered. You're making an excuse for them. If we hold these companies accountable for a poorly designed product, they'll improve their products.

I get what your saying, but when you consider where the Lidar beam is shot at, vs where your windshield detector is mounted, it’s almost a non factor in Lidar detection. More of a marketing thing.

Just use the laser pointer philosophy, which is like an actual Lidar gun used for enforcement, but visible, to get a realistic idea of how wide the spread is at distances.

Even then, the instances will be rare that it can save you. More of a notifier. For all we know, getting hit by Lidar, and claiming a save, could be nothing more that the person hit hasn’t broken the criteria of what the officer is looking for to justify a chase and ticket.

Could be looking for bigger fish due to complaints or other issues.

Just my 2¢
 

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I mean I do not care how much Vortex tells us "meh Laser detection does not make a difference anyhow and you should by jammers"to some of us that do not have the money for the laser jammers it is all we have ! I was saved by the V1 laser detector twice , sometimes they do not get a lock right of way and you may be able to slow down, or other cars may get hit, so to say that "meh go buy a 1000 jammer" is a bit insulting (no offense to Vortex I love your videos)

I want to see a laser detector test on the max 360c.

now it is true that the R7 is a better radar detector , so probably not a reason to return the R7, use Waze and that may be much better than a detector that detects laser

A radar detector can work in some instances, sure, but you’re really better off relying on Waze for free than thinking any radar detector will help you reliably... If $1000 is too much, and I totally understand that, get a TMG with the RDF discount and/or just run Waze.

No matter how much we wish a RD could be helpful, thinking it’ll help will only give you a false sense of security. Heck I love the V1’s sensitivity, but the constant false alerts make it useless for me.

I think the one possible exception to this general rule might be something like an Escort RD against the Poliscan in MD. Against those fixed laser sources, with good sensitivity and filtering you can get some saves against those systems.

But the fact is, telling people otherwise that a RD is a reliable tool to protect you against laser is untrue and misleading, no matter how much we wish they could be helpful. Waze is way more helpful than any RD and it’s free so...
 

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I get what your saying, but when you consider where the Lidar beam is shot at, vs where your windshield detector is mounted, it’s almost a non factor in Lidar detection. More of a marketing thing.

Just use the laser pointer philosophy, which is like an actual Lidar gun used for enforcement, but visible, to get a realistic idea of how wide the spread is at distances.

Even then, the instances will be rare that it can save you. More of a notifier. For all we know, getting hit by Lidar, and claiming a save, could be nothing more that the person hit hasn’t broken the criteria of what the officer is looking for to justify a chase and ticket.

Could be looking for bigger fish due to complaints or other issues.

Just my 2¢

It's not even about the save honestly. My V1 will alert no matter where on the windshield it is to whatever the threat is. My expectation for the R7 was just that. If I'm driving down the road doing the speed limit, I want to know if a cop is using lidar on me. I'll at least know when I can speed up if I wanted to. I honestly think Uniden had the ability to engineer this thing better. Why they didn't? Time maybe? I don't know. But I was willing to put up with the display bouncing around and the random bugs here and there. The R7 is not for me if it won't alert to a threat Lidar or not.

My V1 has served me for ten years now. I think it'll serve me until I can find a detector that does what it does better. I guess you can say the V1 has spoiled me and I don't even use the app.
 
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A radar detector can work in some instances, sure, but you’re really better off relying on Waze for free than thinking any radar detector will help you reliably... If $1000 is too much, and I totally understand that, get a TMG with the RDF discount and/or just run Waze.

No matter how much we wish a RD could be helpful, thinking it’ll help will only give you a false sense of security. Heck I love the V1’s sensitivity, but the constant false alerts make it useless for me.

I think the one possible exception to this general rule might be something like an Escort RD against the Poliscan in MD. Against those fixed laser sources, with good sensitivity and filtering you can get some saves against those systems.

But the fact is, telling people otherwise that a RD is a reliable tool to protect you against laser is untrue and misleading, no matter how much we wish they could be helpful. Waze is way more helpful than any RD and it’s free so...

I keep hearing how the v1 falses a lot on laser. Is this only in the last year or so? Are the new cars causing the false alerts? I sold mine a few months after the R3 came out and almost never got a false alert. I used to love it for the speed cameras in Maryland. I’ve thought about getting another one, but maybe things have changed in my area as far as the type of vehicles that are out now.


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I keep hearing how the v1 falses a lot on laser. Is this only in the last year or so? Are the new cars causing the false alerts? I sold mine a few months after the R3 came out and almost never got a false alert. I used to love it for the speed cameras in Maryland. I’ve thought about getting another one, but maybe things have changed in my area as far as the type of vehicles that are out now.


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I'd be surprised if things have gotten better over the years given that more cars are using laser now. Maybe they've changed the way they operate though?

Here's a video from 2014:


and here's another from 2016:


I could always try again today, but I'm not really expecting all that much.
 

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Personally, I wished they would remove LASER detection as a feature of a RADAR detectors
 

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I'd be surprised if things have gotten better over the years given that more cars are using laser now. Maybe they've changed the way they operate though?

Here's a video from 2014:


and here's another from 2016:


I could always try again today, but I'm not really expecting all that much.

Thanks for that. To be honest, the area I traveled the most probably didn’t have enough cars with laser, so I never saw it that much. I think I’ll wait to see if hell freezes over and Valentine brings out a new version of the v1. If not, I’ll probably just go for another r7. By that time maybe some of the bugs will be worked out.


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I'd be surprised if things have gotten better over the years given that more cars are using laser now. Maybe they've changed the way they operate though?

Here's a video from 2014:


and here's another from 2016:


I could always try again today, but I'm not really expecting all that much.


I didn't realize it was so bad. I'll stick with my radar detector detecting radar, not laser.
 

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It's not even about the save honestly. My V1 will alert no matter where on the windshield it is to whatever the threat is. My expectation for the R7 was just that. If I'm driving down the road doing the speed limit, I want to know if a cop is using lidar on me. I'll at least know when I can speed up if I wanted to. I honestly think Uniden had the ability to engineer this thing better. Why they didn't? Time maybe? I don't know. But I was willing to put up with the display bouncing around and the random bugs here and there. The R7 is not for me if it won't alert to a threat Lidar or not.

My V1 has served me for ten years now. I think it'll serve me until I can find a detector that does what it does better. I guess you can say the V1 has spoiled me and I don't even use the app.

Even thought most all the RD brands with laser detection, I really never counted on getting a rear hit notification. For that to happen, the sensor has to be super sensitive, which means a lot of falses, unless the RD has a laser pulse db to determine if it's a known LIDAR gun to alert to.

I am one person that would love to see better LIDAR detection in RDs because I'd rather know what's going on versus being blind and getting pulled over, to be told I was targeted with LIDAR. Still, I think the R7 is fine for laser as it is. It probably could be a tad more sensitive, but I'm not sure. I don't know because I only know when I'm targeted with laser when it goes off. So far that's happened one time and I've had the R7 for less than a week now.

I say all RDs with laser detection should be able to tell you what gun was used like the ALPs or TMG... Then they can make the laser detection more sensitive and also be able to filter out garbage... But without being able to filter garbage out, I don't know what the sweet spot would be.
 

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Even thought most all the RD brands with laser detection, I really never counted on getting a rear hit notification. For that to happen, the sensor has to be super sensitive, which means a lot of falses, unless the RD has a laser pulse db to determine if it's a known LIDAR gun to alert to.

I am one person that would love to see better LIDAR detection in RDs because I'd rather know what's going on versus being blind and getting pulled over, to be told I was targeted with LIDAR. Still, I think the R7 is fine for laser as it is. It probably could be a tad more sensitive, but I'm not sure. I don't know because I only know when I'm targeted with laser when it goes off. So far that's happened one time and I've had the R7 for less than a week now.

I say all RDs with laser detection should be able to tell you what gun was used like the ALPs or TMG... Then they can make the laser detection more sensitive and also be able to filter out garbage... But without being able to filter garbage out, I don't know what the sweet spot would be.

Yeah I'd love to see something like that as well. The Whistler can ID the pulse rate of the laser gun and even offers filtering depending on the pulse rate, sort of like band segmentation. It'd be great to see Mike V take the V1 with its extreme sensitivity and add some similar filtering based on pulse pattern. Recognize the pulse rate of some of the most common sources of false alerts and ignore all of those. This way we'd get the extreme sensitivity that lots of people want without all the annoying false alerts too. Best of both worlds. At least this way a RD would have a fighting chance. :)
 

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If some of this were tested how would you guys want to see a tested and does anyone have a valentine one they might like to lend out for comparison testing?

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I can confirm that laser is not working or not as good as V1. Just passed a speed trap on purpose and I was the only car on the road and I saw him and the laser light aim at my car. My R7 didn't even alert to it. That's disappointing. Side note, the bsm is working great! Not one single sound my entire hour drive.
 
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