Would you buy Radar Absorbing Paint?

[butterman]

Well maybe.. I would be very sceptical and want some proven examples before even entertaining the thought.. painting a car with NORMAL paint is expensive so there is that worry.. Do i need a home size loan to do it?

Assume that the tech. Works and is proven
Tell me what YOU would want and how much you would pay.

What's the max you would pay for radar immunity? What's the max you would pay for a minor decrease in detection range?

 

[IPA]

Assume that the tech. Works and is proven
Tell me what YOU would want and how much you would pay.

What's the max you would pay for radar immunity? What's the max you would pay for a minor decrease in detection range?

It would need to save me from I/O at 1000+ft.
Not sure I could cope with a drastic appearance change on a vehicle, though.

 

[ScvttH]

Good thing I've got nothing better to do XD. Windshield is the tough part. If a paint is applied to the outside of the car then the energy van be absorbed before it gets to most of the metal panels and components, aside from the engine, radiator and whatever else open to the grill. Right, so that's the idea. By reducing cross section you reduce range

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I'm in the process of building a radar test chamber for fun and have always been interested in stealth tech so I'm going to test out some materials and techniques even if it doesn't turn into a product. Radar is huge business (Raytheon, BAE) for engineers in my area, so I'll profit even if it's just something to add to my resume.

...but back to the original question, would you buy it? why, why not?

Haha, I might be involved with one of those companies, they're looking for laser light engineers

 

[Napster]

Assume that the tech. Works and is proven
Tell me what YOU would want and how much you would pay.

What's the max you would pay for radar immunity? What's the max you would pay for a minor decrease in detection range?

Alright. If it worked perfectly it could replace any detector.. no false alerts.. so if I take the market of working countermeasures to protect me already.. i would have a hard time justifying more than 2.5k.. For that you could get top of the line installed radar detection and laser as a bonus!
Pretty stiff market to bite into.

 

[GernBlanston]

Radar absorbing paint will never do enough to even knock 10% off of detection range.
This product is aimed at the kind of guys who buy Veil, only with a much bigger budget.

 

[PointerCone]

I'd be surprised if it had any appreciable effect, especially since you can't put it over things like your engine block, the windshield, etc. There's still a lot of things that could return a signal even if you covered the paint in it. Maybe it would cut down acquisition capabilities at a long distance, effectively turning a car into a motorcycle in terms of reflectivity or something, but I'd be surprised if it did something major.

The stuff with iron in it works. Expensive, but effective. They used it on A12, SR71, B1 and B2 etc. Lots of $$ and research went into it.

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Radar absorbing paint will never do enough to even knock 10% off of detection range.
This product is aimed at the kind of guys who buy Veil, only with a much bigger budget.

Veil is for lidar though.

Personally, I think a bra with radar absorbent material would be much more effective.

 

[butterman]

Radar absorbing paint will never do enough to even knock 10% off of detection range.
This product is aimed at the kind of guys who buy Veil, only with a much bigger budget.

Thanks for your opinion! What would make you believe in the product enough to purchase it? Would published tests conducted by members of the forum change your mind? What kind of performance would you actually be interested in?

Luckily for you, I'm willing to do a deep dive on published studies, math and commercial products in order to evaluate the feasibility and to test this idea

 

[infiniti]

Thanks for your opinion! What would make you believe in the product enough to purchase it? Would published tests conducted by members of the forum change your mind? What kind of performance would you actually be interested in?

Luckily for you, I'm willing to do a deep dive on published studies, math and commercial products in order to evaluate the feasibility and to test this idea

Thanks for your opinion! What would make you believe in the product enough to purchase it? Would published tests conducted by members of the forum change your mind? What kind of performance would you actually be interested in?

Luckily for you, I'm willing to do a deep dive on published studies, math and commercial products in order to evaluate the feasibility and to test this idea

So, how about an answer to your question. I’d be willing to pay 3,000 installed for an application that maintains or improves the appearance of my factory paint job on my corvette that decreases radar sensitivity or reduces the kill zone for my car vs. the same car without this paint job by 50%. Can you do that?

 

[thesilverbullet]

yes - i would dip / wrap everything i own with it...

 

[Kennyc56]

yes - i would dip / wrap everything i own with it...

Where do I sign up! What he^^^^^^said!

 

[GernBlanston]

What would make you believe in the product enough to purchase it? Would published tests conducted by members of the forum change your mind? What kind of performance would you actually be interested in?

I'd be VERY interested to see unbiased tests, & if they showed huge improvements, I would believe the results.
But, they won't. I think there's a misunderstanding of how low observable technology works. It's not really about radar-absorbing paint.
Nothing on Earth would make me want to buy this product no matter how well it worked.
Perhaps if it were a no-cost option on my next Audi...

 

[butterman]

So, how about an answer to your question. I’d be willing to pay 3,000 installed for an application that maintains or improves the appearance of my factory paint job on my corvette that decreases radar sensitivity or reduces the kill zone for my car vs. the same car without this paint job by 50%. Can you do that?

Thanks for letting me know what matters to you and how much you think an appropriate price is! Like I said before I'm trying to feel out the market to know how much money to invest/waste on testing some proofs of concept. I'm still in the proof of concept phase so I can't say how much performance gain there will be.

 

[mb300sd]

I'd be interested in buying some, possibly without the 'paint' part, to mix into some custom carbon fiber body panels. @butterman was that you I was talking to in the other thread? Can't find it right now.

 

[Eloi]

I vote no , because the return on investment is negative ...unless the distance drops by 99%

 

[Jennifer]

Only if it was super cheap and I needed to paint my porch.

 

[Eloi]

Only if it was super cheap and I needed to paint my porch.

Are you not afraid your house disappears ...just be aware

 

[AlexJ]

Absolutely not. A lot of other cars have those collision mitigation radars and blind spot monitor radars which operate in same bands as police radars and many of the drivers learned to rely on them (whether it is "right" or "wrong" is irrelevant for this conversation) and I actually WANT my car to be as reflective to these radar bands as possible for my own safety and safety of other drivers.

 

[Redrum]

Thanks for your opinion! What would make you believe in the product enough to purchase it? Would published tests conducted by members of the forum change your mind? What kind of performance would you actually be interested in?

Luckily for you, I'm willing to do a deep dive on published studies, math and commercial products in order to evaluate the feasibility and to test this idea

How's research going?

 

[V1Jake]

How's research going?

Going well, finished up version 1 of the F-117 mockup

 

[butterman]

How's research going?

It's on the back burner...of the stove I've got stored in the back shed lol. If there is renewed interest then I would be happy to help and provide engineering consult but at the moment I have too many other projects going on to pursue a radar absorbing wrap as a business interest.