R7 and BSM?

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Folks with the R7,

How bad is the BSM falses with 2 horns?

I'm a bit worried about this because I keep reading the filtering is the same as the R1/3. And if that's true, I'm thinking the false alerts are going to last about twice as long. So what do you guys say?
 

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I say you should calm down, slow your roll, take a breath, and relax. You’re imagining your own anxiety inducing daydreams unnecessarily.

BSM fires backwards primarily. BSM alerts from cars behind you aren’t common and are rarely a concern. BSM from oncoming cars are rarely a concern. Plus oncoming cars as they approach and pass are generally entering and then leaving your vicinity over a very short amount of time compared to the people traveling in the same direction as you. They come and go quickly.
 

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Except there are cars that use forward facing radar for cruise control like the Acura RDX or MDX.
 

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LOTS of cars use forward-facing radar for adaptive cruise control. How many are tripping up your R3 today?
 

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LOTS of cars use forward-facing radar for adaptive cruise control. How many are tripping up your R3 today?

The R3 doesn't have a rear horn.
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Uniden will find a solution to this watch and see they have been saying that they have been working on it

They've been saying this about the R3... and they're saying currently, the R7 uses the same filtering as the R3. What does that mean? That's what I want to know.

Same filtering but having 2 horns should mean a BSM false might last twice as long, If one (BSM polluter) comes up from behind, and it just hangs behind you, an R7 user might get annoyed with it, where the R3 wouldn't have alerted since it doesn't have a rear facing horn.

If you can't tell, BSM falses drive me crazy.. I really wish, until they figure out a better filter, they would reduce K narrow to 24.196 to eliminate most of the BSM pollution. Because as it stands, BSM falses are getting worse... More and more cars are operating their BSM below 24.196... Until just a few months ago, I never got BSM false from Mazda.. Now I'm seeing them weekly and it's down around 24.123... and I'm seeing more Fiat Chrysler and Hondas in the 24.168 range, where in the past it was mostly GM.. Uniden needs to get serious on better filtering.
 
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The R3 doesn't have a rear horn.
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They've been saying this about the R3... and they're saying currently, the R7 uses the same filtering as the R3. What does that mean? That's what I want to know.

Same filtering but having 2 horns should mean a BSM false might last twice as long, If one (BSM polluter) comes up from behind, and it just hangs behind you, an R7 user might get annoyed with it, where the R3 wouldn't have alerted since it doesn't have a rear facing horn.

If you can't tell, BSM falses drive me crazy.. I really wish, until they figure out a better filter, they would reduce K narrow to 24.196 to eliminate most of the BSM pollution. Because as it stands, BSM falses are getting worse... More and more cars are operating their BSM below 24.196... Until just a few months ago, I never got BSM false from Mazda.. Now I'm seeing them weekly and it's down around 24.123... and I'm seeing more Fiat Chrysler and Hondas in the 24.168 range, where in the past it was mostly GM.. Uniden needs to get serious on better filtering.
Then don’t buy R7.
 

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The R3 doesn't have a rear horn.
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They've been saying this about the R3... and they're saying currently, the R7 uses the same filtering as the R3. What does that mean? That's what I want to know.

Same filtering but having 2 horns should mean a BSM false might last twice as long, If one (BSM polluter) comes up from behind, and it just hangs behind you, an R7 user might get annoyed with it, where the R3 wouldn't have alerted since it doesn't have a rear facing horn.

If you can't tell, BSM falses drive me crazy.. I really wish, until they figure out a better filter, they would reduce K narrow to 24.196 to eliminate most of the BSM pollution. Because as it stands, BSM falses are getting worse... More and more cars are operating their BSM below 24.196... Until just a few months ago, I never got BSM false from Mazda.. Now I'm seeing them weekly and it's down around 24.123... and I'm seeing more Fiat Chrysler and Hondas in the 24.168 range, where in the past it was mostly GM.. Uniden needs to get serious on better filtering.

Just wanted to offer some radar background. At 12.36 micro seconds RF energy travels one radar range mile and returns to source. The difference in the radar signal received between the two horns will be minut. If a car is lingering behind you and your RD with 2 horns is picking it up, a single horn RD will also pick it up. The difference with 2 horns, you'll know it's behind you. The BSM signals are small enough that a little separation from that vehicle will solve the annoyance.
 

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@Deacon
Seems like we need xanax. Too much anticipation of something yet to come, lol.
 

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LOTS of cars use forward-facing radar for adaptive cruise control. How many are tripping up your R3 today?
The R3 doesn't have a rear horn.
Cars drive toward you, bud. They’re jamming that radar signal down the R3’s forward-facing horn. Is it going off to them? No? Then why would a rear horn make any difference?
 

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So running the R7, I'm coming off of running the Max360c and MaxCi360 and I can say that the R7 is chattier than those, but that's to be expected given what we already know about the R3.

The R7 does false to Hondas/Acuras (24.196-24.200), Cadillacs, and Mazdas (24.123-24.124).

Since I haven't run the R3 as recently, it's tougher for me to say if the R7 is chatter than the R3 given its rear antenna. I'll pay more attention now specifically to the direction of BSM's over the next couple days to see how it handles picking up BSM's from behind (yes it does pick them up behind you) as well as how the arrows flip when the car passes you to see how well the arrows help you in locating the source of the K band false (though the arrow accuracy is still being fine tuned).
 

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For me at the present it seems like it is equally as chatty as the R3, but it doesn't seem like more .... One plus to these is you can always play with dialing back the sensitivity somewhat to give you some help there.
 

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So running the R7, I'm coming off of running the Max360c and MaxCi360 and I can say that the R7 is chattier than those, but that's to be expected given what we already know about the R3.

The R7 does false to Hondas/Acuras (24.196-24.200), Cadillacs, and Mazdas (24.123-24.124).

Since I haven't run the R3 as recently, it's tougher for me to say if the R7 is chatter than the R3 given its rear antenna. I'll pay more attention now specifically to the direction of BSM's over the next couple days to see how it handles picking up BSM's from behind (yes it does pick them up behind you) as well as how the arrows flip when the car passes you to see how well the arrows help you in locating the source of the K band false (though the arrow accuracy is still being fine tuned).
For me at the present it seems like it is equally as chatty as the R3, but it doesn't seem like more .... One plus to these is you can always play with dialing back the sensitivity somewhat to give you some help there.

Thank you guys for posting back with actual observations and info!
 

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We don't want dialing back what we want is something like radenso it just works.

Yea well they are working on it. But in the meantime you can dial back the sensitivity to help with the BSMs. Besides, there is filtering going on. They have indicated they are working on this all the time so we need to allow them time to do so.....
 
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So running the R7, I'm coming off of running the Max360c and MaxCi360 and I can say that the R7 is chattier than those, but that's to be expected given what we already know about the R3.

The R7 does false to Hondas/Acuras (24.196-24.200), Cadillacs, and Mazdas (24.123-24.124).

Since I haven't run the R3 as recently, it's tougher for me to say if the R7 is chatter than the R3 given its rear antenna. I'll pay more attention now specifically to the direction of BSM's over the next couple days to see how it handles picking up BSM's from behind (yes it does pick them up behind you) as well as how the arrows flip when the car passes you to see how well the arrows help you in locating the source of the K band false (though the arrow accuracy is still being fine tuned).
I pretty much know when I'm getting a false by the ramp and signal strength on my R3. If the R7 seems similar, I'm not too worried, especially since it will be even easier to tell the source with arrows. You'll know when you've passed the offender or if the offender is going the other way in traffic behind you.

Of course I'd like to see better BSM filtering but this seems like it will be quite livable for me for now.
 

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I drove 200 miles this week in my wife's car and she has a NR DSP (Equivalent filtering to R1 & R3) in the front and we ran the R7 at the same time both in Highway with only the K filter and I can say that there is around a 10% increase in BSM's from the rear antenna. Most of these single rear false alerts seemed to be in the 24.196 to 24.203 range. I will ask Uniden if they can give us K Band segmentation similiar to what we did with the NR DSP and give a slice of 21.195 to 24.205 which would make a huge dent to the false alerts with a small risk.
 

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Well, i would like better BSM filtering too, but I’m sure it is complicated. Like everyone else, i want it all. I sure don’t want to sacrifice any sensitivity which is probably where it gets tough for Uniden. I just took a long trip and when i got back into Oregon i had to deal with the revenue needs of the State Police several times. The one time that sticks in my mind i was coming down a long hill, in a passing lane. The passing lane was ending right at the bottom of the hill, so of course OSP had radar set up right there. I was with a bunch of cars and i could see that several had RD’s. Beautiful clear, dry highway and we were all trying to get past slow traffic. My R3 went off well before anyone else because i slowed down before anyone else. The pack sped past me and then suddenly braked, but too late for a bunch of them. I will take that save anytime with some BSM falses iver the ticket.
 

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Well, i would like better BSM filtering too, but I’m sure it is complicated. Like everyone else, i want it all. I sure don’t want to sacrifice any sensitivity which is probably where it gets tough for Uniden. I just took a long trip and when i got back into Oregon i had to deal with the revenue needs of the State Police several times. The one time that sticks in my mind i was coming down a long hill, in a passing lane. The passing lane was ending right at the bottom of the hill, so of course OSP had radar set up right there. I was with a bunch of cars and i could see that several had RD’s. Beautiful clear, dry highway and we were all trying to get past slow traffic. My R3 went off well before anyone else because i slowed down before anyone else. The pack sped past me and then suddenly braked, but too late for a bunch of them. I will take that save anytime with some BSM falses iver the ticket.

Offering BSM Filtering without reducing sensitivity is a problem and very difficult. If you look at HC's test this past weekend you can see how offering better BSM protection on the Pro-M has an effect on K band range. The same can be seen when testing Escort detectors so there is a sacrifice that needs to be made. Maybe they can offer different levels of BSM filters and let users choose from their own risk levels.
 

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