Heywood’s 11/26/18 Distance Test

Heywood

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Went out tonight and got some numbers.

5 hours and 45 liters of fuel later, and only got 1 gun on K band done, but some surprising results.

I expanded a couple of the tests for curiosity sake and a request for something I didn’t tests for.

The test zone was over 15,000 feet. Since it was dark, I needed something reflective on the side of the road. A benchmark.

The temperature was -7C to -9C all night. Humidity was between 83 and 85%

The course has a slight bend to it, a few minor changes in elevations up and down where a signal can disappear and pop up.

The gun was on a slight decline, or slope down right where a Leo could safely sit. Right at the point where the divided highway turns into a 2 lane highway.

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The gun was nice and level an fit perfectly in the plastic post. Lol.

All the detectors were running their current FW.
All filters off. All low powered detection off. All on Highway Mode.

Numbers to come soon. Videos will have to wait.


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I love all these ingenious methods you come up with to mount these guns.
 

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There are some advantages to testing in the dark...lol. Nice of them to provide a sweet radar placement option. ;) Looking forward to the results.
 

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Is the order you displayed the results the order is which you tested? How does the battery power of the Bushnell hold up after 5 hours in that cold?

Interesting to see how TSR on cuts the sensitivity of the R series down. No surprise to me the Max beat the EX though. The 360/Max has been almost equal to the O-RL on K-band so it makes sense with the reduction of sensitivity of the EX that the Max series might gain a bit of ground here, and at least from this test, it has.

Radenso seems to be hot on K-band!
 

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I didn't need the full length of the course that I thought I might. You know how hard it is to find a straight plastic marker between the wind and traffic traveling past it?? Good thing there's some room where the highway splits. If a Leo was sitting there blacked out, he could nail you either way. There's a bright flashing light going both ways that would obstruct your vision.

Thanks to @Dukes Fast Measure Tool. It did pile up a couple of time due to the truck messing with it. It cost me a few runs. I had to shut the truck down and restart it so it would recognize it.

I needed something reflective and heavy for the benchmark. I used one of my hardhats that has reflective striping on it so I knew where it was. I measured from it to the gun. The less sensitive detectors made me drive more than I needed.The benchmark was 15563.7 feet from the target. As soon as I got a blip, I'd start the measuring tool then stop it when I got to the benchmark. If nothing, then I would start the tool at the benchmark and stop it when I got a blip.


Surprises?
R3:
TSR gets rid of the blip in the radar so you can see how pedestrian it becomes when active. Did very well as the max part of the course and has a slight bend to it. Running FW 1.46. TSR does a number on K band detection for sure. Even the DFR9 didn't do as bad when TSR was activated.
These were part of the bonus test. How bad did Uniden mess up the TSR on the R3 and DFR9. Now I know. For @Brainstorm69

R-EX:
Pissed me off a lot. I had it on Hwy and it didn't want to recognize the gun. Even running to it, I tried switching it between it's modes, nothing. When running away from it, it was like stuck on the meter. The GPS worked fine, but the signal meter was killing me. I did manage to get 2 decent runs out of it, but I must have taken 8 runs at it. All full course runs, of course. More wasted time. The 2 runs that were good, look about what I would expect from it. The 3rd run? I thought it was going to jerk me around again, but it showed up. Better late than never. It is what it is. Might have to send it in. PIA!!!!

RPSE:
Ok, this was unbelievable. If I didn't have this on video, I wouldn't believe it. I even held the FMT (Fast Measurement Tool), in front of the dash cam to show it. I thought I was seeing things. I expected that it might be up with the DFR9 in range on K band. I was totally wrong. Ok, wrong is the wrong word... Shocked! Running current FW. I guess @benzr was right.

Pro-M:
It did what I thought it might. The R3 was closer than I thought. That was a concern on my other tests. They were always in City Mode. This was a good test at their most sensitive. There's no standard on how much each manufacture shaves off when you jump to city mode. @Jon at Radenso was correct. The Pro-M does out gun the R3 on K band. Still if your a non-enthusiast, and don't bother with settings in advanced, the Pro-M will eat it's lunch and give back change in city mode.

Bonus test - Does the Pro-M really jump to Hwy mode when using AutoCity? Yes it does. I lowered my AutoCity setting so the upper threshold was at 30 km/h. The test shows that it does indeed go to hwy sensitivity when above the upper threshold. There you go @TheSkyIsFalling. That's for you buddy.

RC-M:
Well,ya. That was expected. It's what I used for the benchmark lol. The rear antenna was dam near close to the front antenna and the front antenna is behind my plastic grill. I left them both running, but with the same settings as the rest of them. The price reflects what you get, although not as much as I thought. Then again it is mounted lower than the WS mounts, so that's a consideration with the little dips in the course.

Hey, If anyone at Escort is listening, Send me your flagship remote so I can test it.

The rest were for sport. Well, maybe not the DFR9. That needed to be tested. The Max, Rx-65, and the RPSE were just because. I wanted to see how the old compares to the new. Not everyone can afford, or want to spend the type of money the big dogs command, so why not? People that run those detectors matter to me as well and they should know where the detector they're running compare to some of what's on the market.

I've got all the video's of the runs. Not all are full course runs though. I found no reason to once I got my hit using the benchmark method. I'd just do a U-turn at the next available crossroad.

Hopefully that covers it. Enjoy

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Excellent work, thank you! That one Redline EX run was pretty terrible eh... was it in the kill zone or was it still considered a "save" at that distance?
No, It was jerking me around. I would've been dead to rights.

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Is the order you displayed the results the order is which you tested? How does the battery power of the Bushnell hold up after 5 hours in that cold?

Interesting to see how TSR on cuts the sensitivity of the R series down. No surprise to me the Max beat the EX though. The 360/Max has been almost equal to the O-RL on K-band so it makes sense with the reduction of sensitivity of the EX that the Max series might gain a bit of ground here, and at least from this test, it has.

Radenso seems to be hot on K-band!
I switched almost every 1.5 hours. I have a inverter in my truck, so I bring my rechargeable batteries and battery charger with me. Last thing I want to have happen is my gun dying or screwing up my results. No fun and a waste of time
 

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@Heywood, I've noticed that issue appear with the fast measure device before (super frustrating sometimes even if it's pretty rare). I have no idea what causes it but I've found I can eliminate it completely if I start the distance counter before the run (just roll a couple feet) and allow it to get to 1 or 2 ft and stop it there using the hold button. Then proceed with the run normally and just subtract the 1 or 2 feet at the end of the run.
 

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@Heywood, I've noticed that issue appear with the fast measure device before (super frustrating sometimes even if it's pretty rare). I have no idea what causes it but I've found I can eliminate it completely if I start the distance counter before the run (just roll a couple feet) and allow it to get to 1 or 2 ft and stop it there using the hold button. Then proceed with the run normally and just subtract the 1 or 2 feet at the end of the run.
I think it has more to be with the CanBus system in Dodges. I could see it on the brain of the FMT when it would stop working... well, when it didn't fall by my leg and I couldn't see the red pulses on the control module.
Once I shut the truck off and restarted it, it was back to normal. It would just happen sometimes. Seemed to be almost every 20 minutes after using it for 3 hours +. Maybe heat and draw causes the CanBus to stop sending it signals?
No worries, I just want to make sure I don't break it on you. Thank you so much for letting me borrow it. It make testing so much easier.

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So when my schedule allows, I still have the Falcon HR, Stalker ATS and Talon to test against.
 

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Great testing as usual man.

I see the R3 was tested with TSR on/off.. since I don't have one, how does this compare to the Pro M/RCM TSR filter?

It seems like if you're going to run the the R3, you basically need TSR on, or the BSM falses would be a lot?

General conclusion, if there's a lot of K band in your area and you're worried about it, Radenso will is the "King of K".
 

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Killer test @Heywood! Thank's for taking the time and freezing your @ss off for them!
 

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I switched almost every 1.5 hours.
You switched the batteries in the Bushnell every 1.5 hours? Hmmm...so you moved the gun a couple of times? How did you ensure the gun was re-placed at exactly the same level to horizontal, and same axis to the course? Eyeball it?
 

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You switched the batteries in the Bushnell every 1.5 hours? Hmmm...so you moved the gun a couple of times? How did you ensure the gun was re-placed at exactly the same level to horizontal, and same axis to the course? Eyeball it?
Pretty easy. Look at where I had it.


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@Heywood ... Great testing!...Thanks so much... I apologize if you already listed your Auto City K-band setting for the Pro M... But what was it for the test... K7?

Thanks again for you time, effort, info and braving the elements for us peeps (have benzr's permission for the use of peeps, LOL)... :hatsoff:
 

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Incredible job @Heywood ! I can imagine how it was late at night and cold.

I do have a question and it is from post #7,

Surprises?
R3:
TSR gets rid of the blip in the radar so you can see how pedestrian it becomes when active. Did very well as the max part of the course and has a slight bend to it. Running FW 1.46. TSR does a number on K band detection for sure. Even the DFR9 didn't do as bad when TSR was activated.
These were part of the bonus test. How bad did Uniden mess up the TSR on the R3 and DFR9. Now I know
I can only think you're referring to the traffic monitors......................
 

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Thanks for the testing! Especially on K band.
Funny you should mention this! I picked up my Genesis 2 radar setup a month or so ago from @VariableWave. We have used it together to do testing a couple of times, and I have played with it several times by myself. I have only tried the 35.5 gun so far. The reason? I hate K band so much I can't even make myself test with it yet! I know I need to however, but it's like eating something that you hate because you know that it's good for you! Every time I look in the box and see that K band gun, it makes me cringe!
 
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