ALP vs TMG

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Can anyone please do a side by side comparison with these 2 Jammers.
I already own an ALP and most likely will be getting the TMG for my wife's car.
I'm sure we would like to see the pros & cons and any other information you can offer.
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I am sure independent guys like Vortex and RALETC will do comparisons when products are available to the public for straw purchases and full testing.
 

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I haven't installed the TMG's yet (not really easy to do on my car), but I've spent a fair amount of time playing with it on the bench and thinking about this exact comparison. I shared my thoughts on the comparison recently here: www.rdforum.org: Are you considering TMG performance even if you have been saved by the ALPs ??

In short, I think these are going to be a great affordable option to people. They're a way to save a few hundred bucks over an ALP system. (You'll still have to pay for the install costs for both though if you want it professionally installed so there won't be much savings on that end.) The ALP will offer more bells and whistles and the jamming capabilities do look a little better (ie. can jam the DragonEye at closer distances), but realistically the TMG should be just fine for most people.

The TMG has Bluetooth and a speaker built in while the ALP requires you to purchase an additional and optional BT module and HiFi module, but I like that the ALP's external speaker can be mounted most anywhere and it comes with a dedicated control pad to interface with the system, JTK, switch profiles, set the jammers to receive mode, and so forth. You also have an external alert LED and features like Pro Mode which I really like. ALP's app is also far more feature-rich currently, but TMG's app is still very much in early development and should be really capable and cool once it ties in with apps like JBV1. ALP can update via USB or BT while the TMG can update via BT only. ALP supports up to 6 heads (3 per side) while the TMG supports up to 8 heads so if you have a crazy large vehicle, the TMG's should allow for more heads per side although testing is showing that an ALP head is slightly more sensitive than a TMG head and so each head can protect a slightly larger surface area.

The TMG also has a few new features like replaceable faceplate covers for the heads and metal heads, but I'm not totally sure of the realworld benefits and importance of these features, but some of the other options it offers like support for more heads and built in BT/speaker by default and at no extra cost are benefits I can definitely appreciate the value of.

So the TMG does have a few advantages compared to the ALP besides the lower pricepoint, but overall I'm personally still preferring the jamming capabilities, proven performance and updates, features, and interface of the ALP. At the same time, I think the TMG's will be a great value for the money and it's great having another real competitor to the ALP besides Escort and Stinger. Competition is great for us as consumers so I say bring it on. :)
 

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I also prefer an ALP for my wife's car but it's not used for longer trips but I still want the TMG for her car, for the value and having her car protected with a jammer. With my car I travel long distances and want the most effective jammer, my ALP and radar detectors R3 and for the rear K40 RL100 set on ka only. All of this to protect me and feel confident with my set up.
 
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I haven't installed the TMG's yet (not really easy to do on my car), but I've spent a fair amount of time playing with it on the bench and thinking about this exact comparison. I shared my thoughts on the comparison recently here: www.rdforum.org: Are you considering TMG performance even if you have been saved by the ALPs ??

In short, I think these are going to be a great affordable option to people. They're a way to save a few hundred bucks over an ALP system. (You'll still have to pay for the install costs for both though if you want it professionally installed so there won't be much savings on that end.) The ALP will offer more bells and whistles and the jamming capabilities do look a little better (ie. can jam the DragonEye at closer distances), but realistically the TMG should be just fine for most people.

The TMG has Bluetooth and a speaker built in while the ALP requires you to purchase an additional and optional BT module and HiFi module, but I like that the ALP's external speaker can be mounted most anywhere and it comes with a dedicated control pad to interface with the system, JTK, switch profiles, set the jammers to receive mode, and so forth. You also have an external alert LED and features like Pro Mode which I really like. ALP's app is also far more feature-rich currently, but TMG's app is still very much in early development and should be really capable and cool once it ties in with apps like JBV1. ALP can update via USB or BT while the TMG can update via BT only. ALP supports up to 6 heads (3 per side) while the TMG supports up to 8 heads so if you have a crazy large vehicle, the TMG's should allow for more heads per side although testing is showing that an ALP head is slightly more sensitive than a TMG head and so each head can protect a slightly larger surface area.

The TMG also has a few new features like replaceable faceplate covers for the heads and metal heads, but I'm not totally sure of the realworld benefits and importance of these features, but some of the other options it offers like support for more heads and built in BT/speaker by default and at no extra cost are benefits I can definitely appreciate the value of.

So the TMG does have a few advantages compared to the ALP besides the lower pricepoint, but overall I'm personally still preferring the jamming capabilities, proven performance and updates, features, and interface of the ALP. At the same time, I think the TMG's will be a great value for the money and it's great having another real competitor to the ALP besides Escort and Stinger. Competition is great for us as consumers so I say bring it on. :)

If you want to be exact ALP already supports 2 Regular + 2 TX on both front and rear but there is no need for anyone to run that many sensors and we don't even sell it unless someone is that crazy about wanting to do it (There are a handful of people running it). That would be 8 Receivers + 8 Transmitters front and back.
 

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If you want to be exact ALP already supports 2 Regular + 2 TX on both front and rear but there is no need for anyone to run that many sensors and we don't even sell it unless someone is that crazy about wanting to do it (There are a handful of people running it). That would be 8 Receivers + 8 Transmitters front and back.

Yeah it's not a publicly advertised capability, but a couple people do that. It's a cool idea to have extra Tx sensors, but I like the ability to have more regular sensors for better detection on vehicles with larger surface areas, particularly if surface area coverage is a bigger priority than DragonEye jamming capabilities.
 

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Yeah it's not a publicly advertised capability, but a couple people do that. It's a cool idea to have extra Tx sensors, but I like the ability to have more regular sensors for better detection on vehicles with larger surface areas, particularly if surface area coverage is a bigger priority than DragonEye jamming capabilities.

ALP Sensors are by far the most sensitive sensors on the market with detection capability as far as 7 feet away from the sensor: I hope to see RALETC redo this test sometime with more competitors but I will bet ALP will still be the most sensitive even though Blinder/Escort is now copying our 4 receiver design.

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Yeah it's not a publicly advertised capability, but a couple people do that. It's a cool idea to have extra Tx sensors, but I like the ability to have more regular sensors for better detection on vehicles with larger surface areas, particularly if surface area coverage is a bigger priority than DragonEye jamming capabilities.
Since the R1 port can handle 2RX via splitter, I wonder if F1 and F3 can be programmed to do that too so you can run 4 Rx and a text or 2 tx.
 

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Since the R1 port can handle 2RX via splitter, I wonder if F1 and F3 can be programmed to do that too so you can run 4 Rx and a text or 2 tx.

If there is eventually a need we might consider it but really we have many F250 & F350 trucks that are solid on 2 RX + 1 TX so against all guns out there at the moment its really not needed.
 

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ALP Sensors are by far the most sensitive sensors on the market with detection capability as far as 7 feet away from the sensor: I hope to see RALETC redo this test sometime with more competitors but I will bet ALP will still be the most sensitive even though Blinder/Escort is now copying our 4 receiver design.

I've seen a similar test done already and the TMG sensors are on par with the sensitivity of the first gen ALP heads. The newer ALP heads with the new connector are apparently more sensitive though and they are indeed more sensitive than the TMG heads.
 

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I've seen a similar test done already and the TMG sensors are on par with the sensitivity of the first gen ALP heads. The newer ALP heads with the new connector are apparently more sensitive though and they are indeed more sensitive than the TMG heads.
What the heck?!? I had no clue that there was actually a difference in the function of the heads, I thought the Gen2 heads were just a revised connector. What else is different about the Gen1 vs. Gen2 hardware? The only thing I'm aware of is that the external LED can be dimmed, and the GPS connector does not require the R/G module. What else? This makes me glad that I chose to get 4 new Gen2 heads for my new ALP system, along with the 1 Gen2 head I scavenged from my totaled car, because I wanted only the newer (and more secure) connectors. But I kept the old CPU because I don't use a Tx head and I assumed that it's just as good. However if AL is secretly making HW revisions behind our backs that improve things and not telling us so that we can upgrade our old stuff if we wish to be protected, even if the protection is just slightly better, that's not cool.
 

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What the heck?!? I had no clue that there was actually a difference in the function of the heads, I thought the Gen2 heads were just a revised connector. What else is different about the Gen1 vs. Gen2 hardware? The only thing I'm aware of is that the external LED can be dimmed, and the GPS connector does not require the R/G module. What else? This makes me glad that I chose to get 4 new Gen2 heads for my new ALP system, along with the 1 Gen2 head I scavenged from my totaled car, because I wanted only the newer (and more secure) connectors. But I kept the old CPU because I don't use a Tx head and I assumed that it's just as good. However if AL is secretly making HW revisions behind our backs that improve things and not telling us so that we can upgrade our old stuff if we wish to be protected, even if the protection is just slightly better, that's not cool.

Yeah I believe it's been mentioned here on the forums. It was pointed out to me and I wasn't aware of it either. It'd be good to get clarification here from Tom though just to be sure. Heads with different connectors (and maybe sensitivity) is different from the first/second gen CPU. Either way, it's not a secretive thing they're trying to keep from us. The different gen CPU's, for example, is pretty well documented.
 

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There was a very slight sensitivity improvement with the newer ALP heads vs the older ones when I tested it. And I do recall it was either mentioned or implied couple times on this forum.

In any case, most likely it's just incremental improvements to the parts used by ALP in the heads rather than a direct effort by ALP to improve performance by changing the design.
 

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Yeah I believe it's been mentioned here on the forums. It was pointed out to me and I wasn't aware of it either. It'd be good to get clarification here from Tom though just to be sure. Heads with different connectors (and maybe sensitivity) is different from the first/second gen CPU. Either way, it's not a secretive thing they're trying to keep from us. The different gen CPU's, for example, is pretty well documented.
If the HW isn't the same, then mixed heads is yet another scenario that must be tested. What happens if you're jamming the DET and you have 2 1st gen heads and 1 2nd gen head? How does the extra sensitivity, relative to the other heads, affect the performance? What if the Gen 2 head is connected to F1 vs. F2 vs. F3? That's 8 different configurations that need to be tested just for F1, F2, and F3, every time a new FW comes out. This is why I think Tesla has so many issues with their cars. Instead of having model years, where they can make sure that everything works together in every configuration that it's possible to order, they're constantly making incremental improvements and they don't test every single possible configuration. What if the June 2018 turn signals don't play nice with the July 2018 radio if the May 2018 climate control system is present, but then the climate control was updated again in September? Then you have some cars that are buggy but only the ones produced in July and August...
 

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ALP Sensors are by far the most sensitive sensors on the market with detection capability as far as 7 feet away from the sensor: I hope to see RALETC redo this test sometime with more competitors but I will bet ALP will still be the most sensitive even though Blinder/Escort is now copying our 4 receiver design.

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I've seen a similar test done already and the TMG sensors are on par with the sensitivity of the first gen ALP heads. The newer ALP heads with the new connector are apparently more sensitive though and they are indeed more sensitive than the TMG heads.

FYI Gentlemen,

Sensitivity is adjustable! We set it to the adequate level. It is more than enough. It yields no false alerts, and doesn't push the system to the performance edge. I can easily tell them to crank the dial up a few notches :)
 
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Yeah I believe it's been mentioned here on the forums. It was pointed out to me and I wasn't aware of it either. It'd be good to get clarification here from Tom though just to be sure. Heads with different connectors (and maybe sensitivity) is different from the first/second gen CPU. Either way, it's not a secretive thing they're trying to keep from us. The different gen CPU's, for example, is pretty well documented.

If you remember correctly the first run of sensors did not support DragonEye protection and older sensors and newer sensors needed to be in different ports.. This is going back to 2013, In 2014 we offered anyone that needed dragon protection swaps of certain heads at no cost. Since 2014 there has not been any hardware changes to sensors other than cabling, minor component changes and different manufacturing processes. The latest round of sensors for example no longer even have the outer seals anymore because the outer seals are no longer needed with the latest manufacturing process that keeps the lens and housing as one piece and only way to separate them is to saw them apart. Of course you cant stay stagnant and you always have to learn and make improvements continually so nothing can always stay the same forever..
 
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If you remember correctly the first run of sensors did not support DragonEye protection and older sensors and newer sensors needed to be in different ports.. This is going back to 2013, In 2014 we offered anyone that needed dragon protection swaps of certain heads at no cost. Since 2014 there has not been any hardware changes to sensors other than cabling, minor component changes and different manufacturing processes. The latest round of sensors for example no longer even have the outer seals anymore because the out seals are no longer needed with the latest manufacturing process that keeps the lens and housing as one piece and only way to separate them is to saw them apart. Of course you cant stay stagnant and you always have to learn and make improvements continually so nothing can always stay the same forever..

Thank you for the history and the clarity!
 

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please include the difference in BT connectivity and CPU security

- will TMG stop functioning if the BT (CPU to phone app) connection is lost like ALP?

- will the TMG have a non- reversal "booby trap" style security lockout like ALP?
 

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If you remember correctly the first run of sensors did not support DragonEye protection and older sensors and newer sensors needed to be in different ports.. This is going back to 2013, In 2014 we offered anyone that needed dragon protection swaps of certain heads at no cost. Since 2014 there has not been any hardware changes to sensors other than cabling, minor component changes and different manufacturing processes. The latest round of sensors for example no longer even have the outer seals anymore because the outer seals are no longer needed with the latest manufacturing process that keeps the lens and housing as one piece and only way to separate them is to saw them apart. Of course you cant stay stagnant and you always have to learn and make improvements continually so nothing can always stay the same forever..

See, this is good information to have. Now I know that when I put the new ALP system on my car in the next few weeks, I should put the old Gen2 head in whatever position is easiest to replace a head, because if it leaks water, I can replace it with a new one fairly easily. And since the newer heads have one piece construction, they are much less likely to leak and be damaged. So if one of the heads happens to be the easiest to replace, I'd probably put the oldest sensor there, even if there were other characteristics of the newer heads that made it advantageous to stick them in that particular position.
 

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please include the difference in BT connectivity and CPU security

- will TMG stop functioning if the BT (CPU to phone app) connection is lost like ALP?

- will the TMG have a non- reversal "booby trap" style security lockout like ALP?

BT is not required to run full time. I only use it for Alglo updates.

There is 2 types of pin codes for BT connectivity.
 

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