At what price would RDFers start to like the 360c?

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That is exactly what I was about to say, albeit a little late.. Winds do change. Bought my Redline based on the outstanding reviews here. I was able to make an informed decision fully aware of the pros and cons. I now own an R3, again based on the information gathered from all the users and testers. I held out hope for the EX and even the 360c and still do, but can’t justify the price vs the performance but that is my decision and it is based on all the data here. I was always happy with the build quality of my Redline and when I received my R3, I was definitely put off by the perceived durability/build quality of the R3, but it’s the performance that I was looking for. I honestly don’t see the average consumer/ non enthusiast running out and spending 700$ on a detector in B.B. Escort still needs to keep the “enthusiasts” happy because they are the voice of the people willing to spend that kind of cash on a detector. I was thrilled with my RL and every time Escort brings something to the market I am hopeful it will be something worthy of the brand loyalty that they established in me with my first purchase, but that is not happening. They have been plagued with issues on many fronts and for what it’s worth I can’t bring myself to spend the money to try one of the new detectors out. I would love to test the new detector to see if the performance meets my expectations but unfortunately I do not live in an area with sufficient RADAR to allow a reasonable amount of testing in Escorts trial period. Visually the 360 c is a huge improvement while adding features that really aren’t terribly valuable. The EX became a giant boat anchor that could have been packed with added performance given its increased size, but was not..... For their current price point I don’t see many “consumers/sheep” running out and buying those high $$$ detectors. That kind of financial outlay is for the enthusiast. It’s like buying a high performance computer. The enthusiast has to have the best, but they are going to do their do diligence befor making a purchase. Scratch that.... they are going to build their own high performance computer.... That is what we are trying to do here. We are trying to build our dream detector at a price point that we see as worthy of that cost. The manufacturer that hears this best stands to do well. If they can come in at a price point the “we” find acceptable it will likely succeed well in the prosumer market. 700 is not a consumer price point. It is an enthusiast price point and must offer enthusiast performance. Cedar doesn’t care because they own all the consumer grade detector companies. If Uniden or Radenso or Heaven forbid RM comes thru with a bells and whistles detector that drives like a Ferrari, it is going to be good for them. If Escort does it first, it will be good for them. Until the next technology jump takes place. Unfortunately for Escort, their price point comes with an expectation you will get service and performance at a level commensurate with the price, and as an Escort fan, I don’t believe they are up to that challenge given their recent history. They need to help themselves out by making believers in their products as Uniden seems to be doing at this time. And honestly this forum will throw its backing behind whoever is the current best of the best until someone else comes along to be the new king. And not because one user or another says so, but because the current data says so. That is just what enthusiasts do.
Excellent summary and analysis @Havoc , pretty much sums up our emotions this past few weeks. As a favorite professor of mine used to say: "and in a nutshell, $700 and we got a big let down."

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People can say what they want about the detector, but I'm tired of seeing responses like, you made the wrong choice, you paid too much for a detector that performs worse than one at half the price. Or the smartalec comments about oh the Escort detected in X miles, but the Uniden would've doubled that. It gets old. Let people run what they want.
Absolutely, your $$, your choice. However, don't take indefensible or even inconsistent positions about what YOU run.
 

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Excellent summary and analysis @Havoc , pretty much sums up our emotions this past few weeks. As a favorite professor of mine used to say: "and in a nutshell, $700 and we got a big let down."

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Absolutely, your $$, your choice. However, don't take indefensible or even inconsistent positions about what YOU run.
You're referring to MY detection videos? My so-called saves?
 

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People can say what they want about the detector, but I'm tired of seeing responses like, you made the wrong choice, you paid too much for a detector that performs worse than one at half the price. Or the smartalec comments about oh the Escort detected in X miles, but the Uniden would've doubled that. It gets old. Let people run what they want.
Absolutely, your $$, your choice. However, don't take indefensible or even inconsistent positions about what YOU run.
You're referring to MY detection videos? My so-called saves?
No, but several observations: 1. Your EX is not exactly wowing me where it's being run. Your area is not a Mecca of difficult detections . However, if it's wowing you, that's all that matters. 2. Quite frankly, any detector other than an EX would provide "saves" . 3 . We have nothing against the EX or Max360 collectively , but the eye watering prices suggest they are stratospheric performers and when they don't objectively, we express our opinion.

Again, if your EX makes you happy, then that's all that matters. If it doesn't make us happy, then that's our business.
 

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Of course I want honest informed opinions, but to say that their detectors are garbage and not worth buying? That's what annoys me most. I did research other detectors before going with Escort again, but that's because their products, for me anyway, are worth what they charge. It's like buying a new car, I could go with this model that costs 30K and has 250 HP or get the model that costs 25K and has 300 HP. In the end I'll go with the model that hasn't let me down. Even though tests and reviews will say the other is a better bang for your buck. It comes down to personal preference. The day I get pulled over with my EX is the day I'll switch.
That's an excellent analogy. However - what if the model that costs 30K was marketed to imply it had 400 HP. But after purchasing it (for a premium) you discover it's actually the 250 HP model with a slightly nicer paint job and some cool badging? Even worse, what do you say to your boys when they test drive one and find the awful truth? "I like it, It's good enough for me".

I'm not trying to be a prick about this, but if you really felt the way you say you do about it, it wouldn't matter what anyone else said.
 

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Like a lot here have said, a radar enthusiast who comprehends the value of the good and the downside of the not so good, I'd say in the $400 range. Not a penny more. Without the range, I don't care if it offers BJ's and has a coffee making option, it's not worth it. It's may not be junk, but it's certainly not worth $700!
 
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400.00 imo is realistic considering what is out there. Everybody has to evaluate their preferences and needs though. If it had the range of the R3 I would pay the 600.
 

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O. and if we use the V1 as a base, add a $300-800 smart phone and BT then your V1 with GPS is more like ~$700-1200.
If you’re going to saddle the V1 with the cost of whatever smartphone you carry in your pocket, you might as well say, “O. And add $40k for the car you use to carry around your V1 in. And $400k for the house you park it in. Your V1 is more like mid 7 figures.”

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Even worse, what do you say to your boys when they test drive one and find the awful truth?
He’d brag about how without it he’d have to walk everywhere. As though he couldn’t have simply made a better choice.
 

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Without the range, I don't care if it offers BJ's and has a coffee making option, it's not worth it.
....well, in that case, I might be willing to give it another try.
 

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Never thought this thread would get as many replies as it did :)
So I called Escort today and told them that I was not happy with the 360c due to some Bluetooth syncing issues I was having as well as K-band lock-up which I experienced 2x already.
They sent me a return label for an exchange but I am not sure if I will simply ask for a full refund or go ahead with the exchange.
My actual cost was $700 - $120 (9500ix trade-in which I thankfully did not mail to Escort yet) - $30 discount = $550. Only $150 more than R3 and $50 less than old 360 so not too horrible.
I tried posting my 9500ix on Craigslist for $125 but no bites and I dont want to deal with ebay.
The detector was pretty quiet and I like the awareness you get with the arrows but like I previously said - pretty much undecided.
In the meantime, my wife told me today that she wants a radar detector so that gave me the excuse to order R3 for her which should arrive next week.
We will be moving next month to Vortex's vicinity and he reports infrequent K band use there so maybe the R3 is the way to go because at least you have the option to crank down the sensitivity to 30 to 50% or less. I am just hoping that an R3 at 30-50% K sensitivity will be on par or less chatty than 360c - any feedback on that???
Watch Uniden release 360R3 in 3 months from now!
 

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Tom has said we won’t see an R360 anytime soon. Hopefully they take the time to get it right before they release it. No need to give themselves a black eye at the moment.
 

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Tom has said we won’t see an R360 anytime soon. Hopefully they take the time to get it right before they release it. No need to give themselves a black eye at the moment.
As long as it's in some sort of active development and not some kind of vaporware they can take all the time they need. Just hope it won't break the bank in the end. They'll probably charge $100 more than the R3 which is reasonable. About how long do you think it'd be ready for retail? 2-3 years?
 
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Don't underestimate the arrows, and how the V1 communicates and filters, its why i run it over a Uniden or any other RD for that matter. If you don't need GPS the V1 would be my #1 recommendation, or the new entry level Unidens.

You also have to consider the cost to produce, cant just slap a 10K price on all cars just because they are cars. Having 2 antennas definitely has a cost over a single antenna (GPS features too). And no matter how poor the 360 is at detecting or filtering there is a cost to make it, and its nowhere near $200. Same with the V1 no matter ones feelings about it.

Price is not purely emotional. There are real costs involved.
Pricing sounds emotional to you. Unless you actually know what it costs to produce a 2 horn detector, you're only speculating it's no where near $200. There's probably been enough tear downs to figure out what the parts costs are.. And I'm guessing ... and it's a pure guess having never seen the inside of a V1... that it costs them less than $100 to build the thing.
 

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Pricing sounds emotional to you. Unless you actually know what it costs to produce a 2 horn detector, you're only speculating it's no where near $200. There's probably been enough tear downs to figure out what the parts costs are.. And I'm guessing ... and it's a pure guess having never seen the inside of a V1... that it costs them less than $100 to build the thing.
Good point, as engineering , development ( and lately, compliance) are the large majority of costs associated with most products. That lil pill you take in the morning costs less than $1cent to actually make. It's what got it to efficacy that makes it expensive. Same with most RDs.

In the case of the Max360c, what did they really add over and above the already two year old Max360 that increased cost? Wi-FI, which coincidentally, was on no ones list of must haves in an RD. I guess if you have a "Connected" car, it's the only way to,go :(
 

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360c and Redline EX got owned by a LRD950 in the latest 34.7 testing in NJ.
Now that is really sad for Escort.
 

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My take is this. The 360c should cost less then any competitor that tests better.
Why would I pay anymore than what I paid for the R3 when the core reason I purchase the RD (Radar) is subpar? You can add all the stupid lights, arrows, wifi, gps, BT, whatever else you want but the primary reason I have an RD is to get good detection range so I have early warning.

If the range was equal between the R3 and 360c I would pay $100 more for the other features so $499 max. Once the detection range is not equal it's of the list, no matter the price.
 

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My take is this. The 360c should cost less then any competitor that tests better.
Why would I pay anymore than what I paid for the R3 when the core reason I purchase the RD (Radar) is subpar? You can add all the stupid lights, arrows, wifi, gps, BT, whatever else you want but the primary reason I have an RD is to get good detection range so I have early warning.

If the range was equal between the R3 and 360c I would pay $100 more for the other features so $499 max. Once the detection range is not equal it's of the list, no matter the price.
You have to understand. I know you were on ERF before and like many got banned. ERvis in total denial about the performance of the Max460 and the EX too. This is the standard reply he gives when the range is questionable:
 

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If you’re going to saddle the V1 with the cost of whatever smartphone you carry in your pocket, you might as well say, “O. And add $40k for the car you use to carry around your V1 in. And $400k for the house you park it in. Your V1 is more like mid 7 figures.”
lol. That's some extreme logic there, you don't need any of that to make the V1 work with GPS. But you do need a smart phone and BT dongle.

V1 can only have GPS if you add BT and a smart phone. Your car, truck, motorcycle are your option, garage and home just adds to the sillyness.
 

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They need to around what Uniden is price to be competitive.
 

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Why would the consumer care what the cost to manufacture something is when considering spending money on something.. V1 is old and cost 449.00 + you need all sorts of stuff to get the best out of it.. 10.00 for an app to run it, V1 connect, Savvy all sorts of stuff.. Or a person can buy a R3 and plug and play and have the latest and greatest.. I wouldn't take an Escort product if you gave it to me, I would by a V1 but only for 100.00 no more.. Way, way to old to be worth more than that.
Well the cost to manufacturer directly effects the price a product is sold for.

The V1 is old if you have an old one, and new if you have a new one. They also were the first to incorporate BSM filtering and continue to be better than most RD's with there filtering. Especially with there advanced K band filtering.

You don't need anything for the V1, its plug and play or you can add to it to make it whatever you want. The V1 comes like a standard R1 but with arrows, you can add BT and a smart phone to make it have R3 features. Cant add R3 features to an R1, but you can with a V1.

But i do agree, for the large part of the CM community the Unidens are the perfect all in one choice, like the Escorts used to be. And with some superb detection range over all others.

Personally i am waiting for a few runs of the Uniden's before i buy. Its hard to trust anything when you have something so perfect already. Its almost 2x that.

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Pricing sounds emotional to you. Unless you actually know what it costs to produce a 2 horn detector, you're only speculating it's no where near $200. There's probably been enough tear downs to figure out what the parts costs are.. And I'm guessing ... and it's a pure guess having never seen the inside of a V1... that it costs them less than $100 to build the thing.
Very true, buying can be emotional, pricing not so much. Its based off cost to make, and RD's have very little margin in them.

If I was to guess i may think a duel horn RD only costs $100 to make, but since i know it costs more i wouldn't make that guess.
 
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