Yav1 w/TMF2 & k-POP Off, k junk fighter

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It appears datalogging files may never be used for developing AI at this point.

I'm Therefore finally updating to TMF2 since I will again be one the road a lot.

Was wondering if any of you guys are finding any abnormalities with yav1 using tmf2 vs not?

YaV1 was created before tmf2 was available and we have a feature to turn pop on/off while in euro mode.

3 basic questions..

1. Does the k-pop on/off feature still appear to work the same with tmf2 Firmware?

2. Does the new k- junk fighter appear to work whole in euro mode?
Previously my last junk fighter never engaged when in C mode.

3. Any yav1 switches that now work differently with tmf2 units?
 

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I can only speak to question 2, but TMF2 works fine in Euro mode (big C). Toggling TMF2 using the app has the expected effect, and the V1 doesn't leave Euro mode.
 

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Re: Yav1 w/TMF2 & k-POP Off, k junk fighter

Yea, I was thinking yav1 viewed Tmf same as tmf2 since tmf2 devices don't have a choice between the two , either its on or it's not.

We did several tests with k-pop, one if which I caught an opportunity to view the difference.

Just wondering if that yav1 k-pop toggle still works.

Note, in yav1 turning off k-pop is removed as an option if Tmf is engaged, I bet it's the same with the later firmware but just wanted confirmation.

Maybe the new tmf2 negates the need to turn off k-pop to help reduce bsm false detections in some vehicles?

It appears we have a choice to use tmf2 with its bsm blocking technology or not and rely on the old way of having everything wide open but have an option to kill k-pop?

I'm Assuming the tmf2 option will be quieter at the very slight expense of weak distant K detection which IMO is a non issue in congested areas requiring Tmf.

It's those grey areas that are concerning.

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V1 is plenty sensitive in conjested areas even with Tmf.

Sensitivity is only as good as the filtering that comes with it.

Whether optic lenses, radio freqs, microphones, listening devices, or rocket or gunpowder propulsion, power, sensitivity, and muscle is only as good as our ability to harness and interpret from the chatter and chaos.

Anything can be cranked up to higher powers, that's the easy part, but screen out the undesirable is the hard part and that's our wall right now.

I spoke with [MENTION=2404]Vortex[/MENTION] and it's agreed using tmf2 to quiet is more desirable vs no Tmf2 and instead turning off k-pop.

Reinterate, "in conjested areas", however out in the boonies, not using tmf2 and turning off k-pop may be a better plan to keep van's civil and still keep bleeding edge sensitivity.

Leaving k-pop off is more of a reactivity issue of quickness with very little effect on sensitivity.

As discussed in many previous threads V1 is plenty fast even without k-pop as true pop is a rabbit with antlers here in the states.
 

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Congrats on the update! Have a feeling you'll be updating it again later this year.
 

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Re: Yav1 w/TMF2 & k-POP Off, k junk fighter

Hopefully so, that won't hurt my feelings!
At least with tmf2, I could pass this one to my wife without the need for the sophistication of a device/app setup, would prob have to get her a hardwired savvy though.

She really doesn't speed, otherwise that Escort 9500ix she has would be in the trash by now!

I need an excuse to upgrade her "and me"
 
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I have a profile on YaV1 that turns TMF2 on or off. It works and works well at switching on the fly.

FWIW - I've tried turning TMF2 off on rural stretches of Interstate and it's just not worth it - TMF2 stays on ALL the time now.
 
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Like [MENTION=12289]HotRodEV[/MENTION], I've got ~6 profiles in YaV1 with varying combinations of TMF2 On/POP Off, TMF2 Off/ POP On and X band Off/On, while still running K slightly muted and KA 2,5,8. I've switched TMF2 off and just found it to be too chatty. I feel like the odds favor quietness over an utterly random K-POP shot.
 

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According to old 2014 charts the old Tmf knocked out about 10 - 15 percent sensitivity whereas k-pop virtually no difference. So k-pop off is definitely a winner but there is still so much bsm that gets through its nearly Moot point.

TMF2 may be kinder.

And reactivity was so close not really worth mentioning, especially since no matter what it was always fast enough to be safe.
 

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Ok, I got my detector back.
According to the pamphlet they send back, Tmf is not what deals with bsm issues but rather the k-junk fighter?

They also don't use the term "tmf2"
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Re: Yav1 w/TMF2 & k-POP Off, k junk fighter

Ok, just spoke with the tech, the nice Ole lady was a bit confused thinking they were separate. The pamphlet must had confused her too! ☺️

Basically tmf"1" was designed for traffic flow monitors but also had a little bsm removal characteristics.

Tmf"2" is just improved but both tmf2 & k-junk fighter are wrapped into the same feature.

This explains why many of us who run in euro mode never see k-junk activated as we don't have Tmf enabled.

So if you want bsm protection, Tmf must be enabled to get that k- junk feature.

They don't use the term Tmf vs tmf2 either. You have the upgrade or you don't.

They also disavow k-pop protection while Tmf is activated... But we already knew that since there is a slight delay in reactivity.
 
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Whatever you want to call it, TMF2 or Junk K, result is same, it works on about 95% of the cars out there. I do believe however, that the Junk K algorithm may need to be readjusted or redefined because I am starting to see more mobile K falses from my V1 again. Since it's not end-user firmware upgradeable, I am wondering if Mike V has another solution as more cars get advanced BSM/CAS systems. Seems like Acura/Honda are two of the big offenders here.
 

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Well I got mine back "upgraded" & I'm amazed at the difference! Of course I didn't tum Tmf before bc I could turn off k-pop and suffice.
But there is a marked difference in quietness.

I'm, wondering if they tweaked my Ka band too as it seems more sensitive esp 35.5 unless I'm imagining it.

I still love the total awareness addition the app brings but I could actually live with this thing now without the app I think.

I was on a remote road in the country with light traffic and my V1 had been totally quiet so I decided to turn Tmf off just for the tad better sensitivity on K band and it took about 30 seconds for me to turn it back as the bsm falses went crazy.

Seems literally every new car has them now.

I still love my lockouts and savvy is still a must IMO

All in all, the upgrade is a winner.

Now for the next!
 

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I was on a remote road in the country with light traffic and my V1 had been totally quiet so I decided to turn Tmf off just for the tad better sensitivity on K band and it took about 30 seconds for me to turn it back as the bsm falses went crazy.

Seems literally every new car has them now.

I tried this too. ONCE. It's amazing how much garbage TMF2 is filtering out, and how utterly unusable RDs are now without great BSM filtering.
 

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Well I got mine back "upgraded" & I'm amazed at the difference! Of course I didn't tum Tmf before bc I could turn off k-pop and suffice.
But there is a marked difference in quietness.
I'm, wondering if they tweaked my Ka band too as it seems more sensitive esp 35.5 unless I'm imagining it.
I still love the total awareness addition the app brings but I could actually live with this thing now without the app I think.
I was on a remote road in the country with light traffic and my V1 had been totally quiet so I decided to turn Tmf off just for the tad better sensitivity on K band and it took about 30 seconds for me to turn it back as the bsm falses went crazy.
Seems literally every new car has them now.
I still love my lockouts and savvy is still a must IMO
All in all, the upgrade is a winner.
Now for the next!

Thanks for that report and to the forum. I'm now sold on getting the upgrade.
Been out of the forum for awhile now...burned out i think after all the energy into YaV1.
Been fortunate to not have one ticket with that setup. Knock on wood.

So once I get the upgraded firmware, if I went to my original profile that had "Traffic monitor filter" unchecked/disabled, would I simply check/enable it?
 
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This seems like a good place to discuss my dilemma. I'm in Maryland, home of the speed camera. Some of the newer cameras in my area appear to use k band to detect you then use laser to tag you when passing. With TMF on I don't see any k signal only the laser. I tried turning TMF off but of course I instantly had a million k bands show up. You all think their is some solution to better dealing with these cameras?

They are marked with signs but they also put them in the worst spots for drivers to notice. One in particular is at the bottom of a steep hill, in a 25 zone, on a 4 lane road, with a random cross walk 25 yards past it. Of course I'm more focused on traffic and the cross walk than looking down at my Speedo.

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How much is Valentine charging to go from TMF1 to TMF2?

(I've held at TMF1 as it seemed some felt there was a benefit over TMF2. Is this all changing now?)
 

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How much is Valentine charging to go from TMF1 to TMF2?

(I've held at TMF1 as it seemed some felt there was a benefit over TMF2. Is this all changing now?)

I believe it's currently $79 plus shipping. If you're becoming desensitized to k-band due to BSM's, I would say go for it.

Even in the tough terrain and occasional IO I see, TMF2 has always provided a save.
 

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This seems like a good place to discuss my dilemma. I'm in Maryland, home of the speed camera. Some of the newer cameras in my area appear to use k band to detect you then use laser to tag you when passing. With TMF on I don't see any k signal only the laser. I tried turning TMF off but of course I instantly had a million k bands show up. You all think their is some solution to better dealing with these cameras?

Can you post a picture of one of these cameras? Maybe start a new thread in the MD regional forum. I know @FWGuy has been dealing with these, but I don't recall any mention of them using K band to trigger the laser. It is possible it is using some sort of FMCW radar not to sense speed but to get distance to the vehicles, and many modern radar detectors will filter this out.
 

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