So Whats the "Top Secret" Escort News

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As a V1 user I got to say kudos to Escort for finally realizing how valuable directional arrows are. Then taking it one step further and integrating a digital display, different color arrows etc. As much as I love my V1, the design needs a refresh badly. Mike's been sitting on this egg for way too long. Hope this is a wake up call if the V2 is really still in the works! Love to see how this puppy performs.

Some people were saying the V2 would be coming out near the end of the year. I think those people were right.. except it's not named the V2 and it's Made by Escort!

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Don't you realize that the Max is just so sensitive that it's being overdriven by those distant K band signals and falsing Ka? :p


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Obviously it will have a new name because it is a modified M5 to have forward and rear facing antennas so calling it an M6 is a logical step.

What is interesting is the dual LNAs on the front horn, which begs the question why is it not RDD proof then? does the rear horn not use an LNA?

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I would guess that they did not make it RDD proof for 2 reasons. First adding a metal shielded case would probably make it too heavy to hang from their existing mounts. Second shielding the RD would add cost, and the price is already a bit high for mainstream.
 

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didn't I read somewhere in the patent design that due to its makeup it was going to help hide its signature to RDD's?? not necessarily be stealth but something in the design would naturally suppress its detection range?
 
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There's more to Beltronics/Escort's implementation of stealth than introducing an LNA. It's why other detectors with an LNA aren't also RDD immune. It's part of the solution but not the entire thing.

Here's Escort's patent on how they did it.

https://www.google.com/patents/US7388537

A radar detector includes features to reduce emissions such as those typically generated by the detector's local oscillator. Two low noise amplifiers (LNA's), operating in X band and a combined K/Ka band, respectively amplify X and K/Ka band signals from separate antennae, and deliver those signals over separate, elongated and narrow signal paths to X and K/Ka mixers, where those signals are mixed with local oscillator (LO) signals to produce IF for detection. The elongated, narrow signal paths from the antennae to the mixers reduce LO emissions, and those emissions are further reduced by incorporating radar absorbers between the circuit board and detector case along the antenna-mixer path, including radar absorptive paint on the circuit board itself along this path, and sealing the case with a conductive sealing gasket.
 

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Not mine.

You're lucky you don't have one of the sensitive ones...:p

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll be quiet now...lol
 
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You're lucky you don't have one of the sensitive ones...:p

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll be quiet now...lol

Oh it's sensitive.. For some reason after I did an update a few days ago, the K band range is better than it was on all known falses. I have no idea why, but I'll take it. Have yet to see a Ka encounter with it yet since I updated it again though.
 
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There's more to Beltronics/Escort's implementation of stealth than introducing an LNA. It's why other detectors with an LNA aren't also RDD immune. It's part of the solution but not the entire thing.

Here's Escort's patent on how they did it.

https://www.google.com/patents/US7388537

there was one like that for the 360 explaining that something they were doing was going to cut down on its detectablity
 
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there was one like that for the 360 explaining that something they were doing was going to cut down on its detectablity

Yeah, apparently they were changing the way the sweeps happen to make it harder for a RDD to pick up on the pattern/signature of those sweeps.

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=46998&p=625228&viewfull=1#post625228

The main thing that interests me about this detector is that Larry said it doesn't come with TSR and yet it filters out blind spot signals very well!

http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112732&postcount=24

If this is the case then it must indeed be a more sophisticated form of signal analysis than what we're seeing with other traditional detectors including the Max/Max2. He goes on to say that it shares the same DSP tech as those two detectors, but if it can filter out blind spot vehicles without having TSR even available as an option, now I'm *really* curious...

No performance penalty and yet excellent filtering is a Stinger VIP thing...

I wonder if it can still filter out traffic sensors though?
 

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Yeah, apparently they were changing the way the sweeps happen to make it harder for a RDD to pick up on the pattern/signature of those sweeps.

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=46998&p=625228&viewfull=1#post625228

The main thing that interests me about this detector is that Larry said it doesn't come with TSR and yet it filters out blind spot signals very well!

http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112732&postcount=24

If this is the case then it must indeed be a more sophisticated form of signal analysis than what we're seeing with other traditional detectors including the Max/Max2. He goes on to say that it shares the same DSP tech as those two detectors, but if it can filter out blind spot vehicles without having TSR even available as an option, now I'm *really* curious...

No performance penalty and yet excellent filtering is a Stinger VIP thing...

I wonder if it can still filter out traffic sensors though?

My take on Larry's comment was that TSR was still an option, but what they're calling "CAS rejection" is not; it's enabled all the time.
 

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This is a tough crowd. LOL.

If I saw the M360 (uh oh, better not spell it like that...) before joining this forum I would have bought it in an instant. Then I would have told anyone with ears about it.

It may not have the range of the RL but like others have said; if the arrow tech works reasonably well, the ka falsing has been addressed and it consistently provides top tier range (if not the #1 best), it sure does sound like virtually everything everyone who isn't in DC/VA/CAN needs and wants. I mean, the thing is a beast (even in size). It's just packed with stuff.

I have the luxury of being new and not as jaded/burned as the veterans here, but looking at that RD it sure as heck looks to me like Escort was listening to its customers. I dunno guys, they may have had to make compromises elsewhere in the design or price to kit it up with a M3. Can you imagine people buying an even BIGGER and MORE expensive RD? I guess some of us here would. Not so sure about anyone else though.
 

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Obviously it will have a new name because it is a modified M5 to have forward and rear facing antennas so calling it an M6 is a logical step.

What is interesting is the dual LNAs on the front horn, which begs the question why is it not RDD proof then? does the rear horn not use an LNA?

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I would guess that they did not make it RDD proof for 2 reasons. First adding a metal shielded case would probably make it too heavy to hang from their existing mounts. Second shielding the RD would add cost, and the price is already a bit high for mainstream.

If by metal shielded case you are referring to the outside case material of the detector I can tell you that has nothing to do with stealthing the detector. Once again the radar experts (Ron Gividen) put out some bad information in that webcast.

The outside case of the RedLine is now plastic and it's stealth abilities are no different than when it had the magnesium case.

The real metal case is inside, the LO chamber INSIDE the horn assembly. But virtually all detectors have that too, so what makes a stealth detector stealthy is really trapping the internal LO signals INSIDE the horn assembly. For that you need LNAs (I'll believe the MAX 360 has them when I see it) to block signals from riding the microstrip out to the horn AND a way to trap free air emissions from radiating out of the cavity surrounding the microstrip at the base of the horn. The long microstrip tunnels inside the M3 are specifically dimensioned to cut off certain frequencies while the microwave absorbing foam packed inside those tunnels take care of the rest.
 

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Obviously it will have a new name because it is a modified M5 to have forward and rear facing antennas so calling it an M6 is a logical step.

What is interesting is the dual LNAs on the front horn, which begs the question why is it not RDD proof then? does the rear horn not use an LNA?

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I would guess that they did not make it RDD proof for 2 reasons. First adding a metal shielded case would probably make it too heavy to hang from their existing mounts. Second shielding the RD would add cost, and the price is already a bit high for mainstream.

You are wrong in this statement. The RDD invisibility comes from the design of the antena itself rather than the casing of the detector. It doesn't matter if it is magnesium or adamanthium. The emisions of the detector comes directly from the horn.
 

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You are wrong in this statement. The RDD invisibility comes from the design of the antena itself rather than the casing of the detector. It doesn't matter if it is magnesium or adamanthium. The emisions of the detector comes directly from the horn.

I didn't say it had anything to do with the casing but the LNA inside the horn. I assumed the LNA played a part in making it emit less.


Edit: it looks like you qouted someone who quoted me, my coments had nothing to do with the casing.
 
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So Whats the "Top Secret" Escort News

In fairness to ER, how often do they sell and /or use a RD in Va?? They are NOT going to make a new RD where the tail wags the dog (Va for example) and spend the $$ that's needed for stealth operation. Affordability is the key to their market and always has been. Don't think that $$ does not matter in the RD market because it is vital. How long has Mike V kept the V1 at $399.00? (For many years). If we're comparing on simply a cost/benefit basis and the Max 360 is as advertised, you can buy about 8 of them for the price of one Stinger. Sure , it won't have the cutting edge performance of the Stinger, BUT, it won't have the cutting edge price as well.


** Someone needs to change their Stinger tag line too, isn't it 3X R and 3X T on your lidar unit??? ** :):)

Again I'm glad I've moved on to a company/product that gives me 'true cutting edge' that I've been wanting in a detector for years! Yes it's expensive, but it didn't affect me any in my decision to acquire it and now I'm happy I did :). With that said, you can continue to go back and forth with the hopes, wishes, rumors as well as finding reasons, i.e., excuses, to justify the means. Been there, done that and left that..

I've been meaning to change it to 3X R & 3T, but I did just get this on Monday and not exactly on the priority list. Since we're on this updating signature thing i'll take the time to also remind to update that incorrect avatar of yours :)



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Can I ask a question? I'm newer and trying to catch up so forgive me here...

Wasn't the M5 really just an M4 antenna with the receiving components behind the antenna changed up? So now the M6 is the 3rd iteration of this antenna with new components behind it, yet again? And the M3 still out-performs the M4 and M5 horns in terms of distance and sensitivity (so likely the M6 as well, but testing will verify), is RDD immune, and hasn't seen a update in terms of it's behind-the-antenna components as of yet?

What exactly is the reasoning behind not updating the filtering for the M3? It would seem the cost of R&D to develop the M3 is being wasted if the antenna is not being utilized in current models?

I'm confused at that strategy, and the only thing I can come up with is cost as a deterrent of further M3 implementation. Is the Antenna on the M3 made of Unobtainium, while the M4 is made with coat hanger metal?
 

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If I may jump in, does anyone know when we can expect to see a video advertisement, or review. I wanna see this thing operate in the real world environment. Where's your video Vortex? What's your status on getting a prototype

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If I may jump in, does anyone know when we can expect to see a video advertisement, or review. I wanna see this thing operate in the real world environment. Where's your video Vortex? What's your status on getting a prototype 

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I doubt they are going to send Vortex a "prototype" because he will then expose all it's flaws and they don't want that.
 

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I doubt they are going to send Vortex a "prototype" because he will then expose all it's flaws and they don't want that.
Yes, better to have, "friends," review it first.:rolleyes: Can't wait to see an honest and thorough Vortex review. Let the chips fall where they may.
 

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Re: So Whats the "Top Secret" Escort News

I'm very anxious and excited for seeing what he will say. I want a good demonstration of how this operates with the bands, colors, frequency, & arrows (in video form)

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