Max - Initial Power On - Delayed Alerting

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Not sure if this has been covered, but I noticed a few weeks ago that my Max takes a good ~10-20 seconds to alert to an existing threat when it's initially powered on.

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Pulled up to fast food joint with Max alerting to constant Ka from a LEO car parked in the parking lot. I ran in, got food, started car/Max and noticed it took what seemed like a long time to start alerting again to the LEO car that hadn't moved.

My experience is in contrast to Jdong's post here:
OTHER REMARKS: If you power up the MAX in the presence of a signal, the MAX will never alert to it unless it disappears and comes back. This is almost certainly a feature to work around using the detector in a car with K-band Lane Assist, but it's incredibly annoying for the purpose of testing. It also means you should be careful about rebooting or plugging in the Max while in a unknown threat zone, otherwise you can be blind to a looming threat.

I'm curious to know what other Max users have experienced. In either case, this is important information for Max users to know.
 

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I know my Escort Redline takes ten seconds to alert to a signal if you power it up during an alert.
 

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a detector is a computer and as such, it lies
just because is says (displays) "I'm here to cover your ass" doesn't mean it's actually finished its' POST.
what you described isn't a real world encounter, merely a peculiarity
 

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Also, the MAX has a habit of ignoring signals that it sees on startup, even Ka signals. Presumably to reduce falses from BSM systems installed on cars that it is being run in.
 

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Also, the MAX has a habit of ignoring signals that it sees on startup, even Ka signals. Presumably to reduce falses from BSM systems installed on cars that it is being run in.

Yeah, this is still my experience with the Max when I power it on with my Ka band gun running. It never alerts to it again. Maybe it'd be different for a weak or changing signal, but I've waited a good minute or so for it to start alerting, and it did not.
 

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Yeah, this is still my experience with the Max when I power it on with my Ka band gun running. It never alerts to it again. Maybe it'd be different for a weak or changing signal, but I've waited a good minute or so for it to start alerting, and it did not.
Can you shoot a video of this? I'm curious to know if your experience is the norm or an exception. In either case, may not be meaningful in real world experience, but it'll put my curiosity to rest [emoji2]
 

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Can you shoot a video of this? I'm curious to know if your experience is the norm or an exception. In either case, may not be meaningful in real world experience, but it'll put my curiosity to rest [emoji2]

You ask for it, you get it. Long story short, my initial characterization appears to be correct, at least on 34.7 at point-blank. When the detector is powered on in the presence of this signal, it is ignored until it disappears for 10+ seconds. Even blipping it for 5 or so seconds did not make the detector alert.

I left this experiment running for 15 minutes, but thought the video would bore you guys to tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sgm7L1rgro
 

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You ask for it, you get it. Long story short, my initial characterization appears to be correct, at least on 34.7 at point-blank. When the detector is powered on in the presence of this signal, it is ignored until it disappears for 10+ seconds. Even blipping it for 5 or so seconds did not make the detector alert.

I left this experiment running for 15 minutes, but thought the video would bore you guys to tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sgm7L1rgro
Thanks for sharing the video! Have you tested any additional Maxs to see if they performed the same? I'm interested to know if there is consistency with your results. I will try to test mine at our GA Meet to see if mine performs the same.
 

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Thanks for sharing the video! Have you tested any additional Maxs to see if they performed the same? I'm interested to know if there is consistency with your results. I will try to test mine at our GA Meet to see if mine performs the same.

I've only had two and they both behaved this way. nine_c1 saw similar behavior when he was doing his initial testing. Mine had been sent back into Escort, and got a clean bill of health. I don't have any reason to believe mine is different from others.
 

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You ask for it, you get it. Long story short, my initial characterization appears to be correct, at least on 34.7 at point-blank. When the detector is powered on in the presence of this signal, it is ignored until it disappears for 10+ seconds. Even blipping it for 5 or so seconds did not make the detector alert.
Did it give any indication that it's ignoring a signal? I'm not too familiar with the Max, but if it does not, then that's remarkably poor programming on the part of Escort. If you're going to have degraded performance to reduce false alarms, the least you could do is alert the user of this fact.
 

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Did it give any indication that it's ignoring a signal? I'm not too familiar with the Max, but if it does not, then that's remarkably poor programming on the part of Escort. If you're going to have degraded performance to reduce false alarms, the least you could do is alert the user of this fact.

Nope. Other Escorts do this for a shorter period of time, but the signal ignoring seems to be a limitation of how its noise floor calibration works. But yeah. Your detector starting up does not mean it's ready to start receiving
 

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All RD's have a boot up and calibration time at initial start up where it wont alert, never over a minuet or so. RedLine is pretty long as well.
 

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You ask for it, you get it. Long story short, my initial characterization appears to be correct, at least on 34.7 at point-blank. When the detector is powered on in the presence of this signal, it is ignored until it disappears for 10+ seconds. Even blipping it for 5 or so seconds did not make the detector alert.

I left this experiment running for 15 minutes, but thought the video would bore you guys to tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sgm7L1rgro

I got a chance to test this today with Jaguar. Here is what I got:
[video=youtube;xickhdzO_fk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xickhdzO_fk&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]
 

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Thanks for sharing the video! Have you tested any additional Maxs to see if they performed the same? I'm interested to know if there is consistency with your results. I will try to test mine at our GA Meet to see if mine performs the same.

When we did our radar detector testing in Oct 2012, we would let the units calibrate for about 30 seconds after we powered them On.

As CJ, mentioned below, this was done on all the radar detectors we tested for that same reason.

All RD's have a boot up and calibration time at initial start up where it wont alert, never over a minuet or so. RedLine is pretty long as well.
 

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When we did our radar detector testing in Oct 2012, we would let the units calibrate for about 30 seconds after we powered them On.

As CJ, mentioned below, this was done on all the radar detectors we tested for that same reason.

Yes, but it appears that for some Max users, after the power on time, their detector doesn't alert to the continuous signal. That was the case with the video that jdong kindly posted, however it was not what I have experienced. So far, unless I'm missing something, there's not been an explanation on why our results are different when essentially performing the same test. I'd like input/ideas on why they were different.
 

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Yes, but it appears that for some Max users, after the power on time, their detector doesn't alert to the continuous signal. That was the case with the video that jdong kindly posted, however it was not what I have experienced. So far, unless I'm missing something, there's not been an explanation on why our results are different when essentially performing the same test. I'd like input/ideas on why they were different.

I think the signal you're producing outside the car with a polarized gun is probably different to the detector than my point blank stationary gun. Maybe as the signal changes strength the detector recognizes it differently? Either way, I think only Escort will be able to have an answer for us :)
 

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Yes, but it appears that for some Max users, after the power on time, their detector doesn't alert to the continuous signal. That was the case with the video that jdong kindly posted, however it was not what I have experienced. So far, unless I'm missing something, there's not been an explanation on why our results are different when essentially performing the same test. I'd like input/ideas on why they were different.

I think the signal you're producing outside the car with a polarized gun is probably different to the detector than my point blank stationary gun. Maybe as the signal changes strength the detector recognizes it differently? Either way, I think only Escort will be able to have an answer for us :)

When Nine and I did the Pre-production Max testing we noticed the same thing, but it seemed to be with the strong closer signals. I had thought they did an update to correct? But ether way is shouldn't effect additional alerts, it was just a start up thing.
 

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