Redesigning Theia for new chips?

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I was reading about how Tesla upped it's sales this year despite chip shortages. Elon Musk redesigned everything to use readily available chips. This involved changing the firmware to work with the new hardware.

Is something like this doable at Radenso? Apparently Uniden did something similar when they revised the R7 in an effort to keep production going. Sometimes you have to think outside of the box.
 

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Not all chips are equal. It's easy to change a power management IC or something like that. It's not practical to redesign around a different FPGA. Pretty much all Xilinx FPGAs are on the same lead time, and switching to an Altera FPGA would be a year+ of development effort to move the code base over. Plus, we have a very good relationship with Xilinx and have made significant investments towards becoming a Xilinx Engineering Partner to the point where even have access to pre-production silicon and direct support from Xilinx engineers. It makes more sense for us to just wait.

Giving up on FPGAs and switching to a DSP chip like a Blackfin like Escort did would be a massive step down and defeat the entire point of Radenso. At our core, we are a RF and FPGA engineering company. Contract work we do for other entities is all centered around using our FPGA IP in RF applications. That is where the money is, and that is where our expertise makes us unique - so we'll be sticking with FPGAs for the long haul.
 

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Besides it’d be like playing a game of whack a mole… you might get a run or two in before there would be a shortage of that part… or at least that’s what I’m finding using altera/intel chips.
 
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Not all chips are equal. It's easy to change a power management IC or something like that. It's not practical to redesign around a different FPGA. Pretty much all Xilinx FPGAs are on the same lead time, and switching to an Altera FPGA would be a year+ of development effort to move the code base over. Plus, we have a very good relationship with Xilinx and have made significant investments towards becoming a Xilinx Engineering Partner to the point where even have access to pre-production silicon and direct support from Xilinx engineers. It makes more sense for us to just wait.

Giving up on FPGAs and switching to a DSP chip like a Blackfin like Escort did would be a massive step down and defeat the entire point of Radenso. At our core, we are a RF and FPGA engineering company. Contract work we do for other entities is all centered around using our FPGA IP in RF applications. That is where the money is, and that is where our expertise makes us unique - so we'll be sticking with FPGAs for the long haul.
STAY THE COURSE!!! I still have my trusty R7 as a comfort blanket till Theia is ready for prime time.
 

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Not all chips are equal. It's easy to change a power management IC or something like that. It's not practical to redesign around a different FPGA. Pretty much all Xilinx FPGAs are on the same lead time, and switching to an Altera FPGA would be a year+ of development effort to move the code base over. Plus, we have a very good relationship with Xilinx and have made significant investments towards becoming a Xilinx Engineering Partner to the point where even have access to pre-production silicon and direct support from Xilinx engineers. It makes more sense for us to just wait.

Giving up on FPGAs and switching to a DSP chip like a Blackfin like Escort did would be a massive step down and defeat the entire point of Radenso. At our core, we are a RF and FPGA engineering company. Contract work we do for other entities is all centered around using our FPGA IP in RF applications. That is where the money is, and that is where our expertise makes us unique - so we'll be sticking with FPGAs for the long haul.
As frustrating as the chip shortage is, it's reassuring to hear that you're not going to try to sell a half-baked version of Theia. We don't want another "good" RD. We're waiting for a truly "revolutionary" RD, and Radenso appears to be the only company committed to doing it right.
 

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I want the next best thing. Not another thing. I bought a DS1 to, hopefully, keep you guys going.

Keep the course with Theia. Once available... Everyone here will buy it... or save up and buy one at some point. In fact, once it obsoletes all other legacy detectors... Everyone here will sell those to the interim customer and then have the cash (or some of it) for the Theia.
 

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I was reading about how Tesla upped it's sales this year despite chip shortages. Elon Musk redesigned everything to use readily available chips. This involved changing the firmware to work with the new hardware.
This one?

BTW, Tesla is still having issues. A friend of mine has a Model Y Long Range on order and his EDD has been pushed back twice, from mid September to mid October to late November.
 

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Again, as I have stated… you can do a redesign… but it will get you only so far before those chips run out… it’s literally a game of whack a mole… it’s what I’m dealing with right now. It’s only worth it to do a redesign if you know those chips will be available for the long haul. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee of that… and you can only afford a redesign so often… if at all. In the area of RD’s it would never be worth it… not to mention pretty much all FGPA’s are on back order or very few are available.
 
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I read often and write rarely. I very much look forward to getting hopefully one of the first one's of Theia when released. Like yourselves just being patiently and waiting for it to come. Like everybody on here I love the cat and mouse games on the road. I have the redline 360c,the R7 and of course the Valentine one gen2. I never thought I would say this but I have came to the simple conclusion that the Valentine after all these years and I've been running it for over 20, is truly outdated and obsolete. I refuse to tie my phone up to it. It should be self supportive. The R7 is not a bad detector if you are on a budget but I just think it's made cheap, updating it is a nightmare and way too noisy for my taste. Some improvements but not enough. It has a purpose in the world though do not misunderstand me. But I do find myself using the redline the most. It's a mighty fine detector and I could probably say I think it's the best one I have ever ran. It has its issues too,however. But I definitely find Theia very interesting and I'm looking forward to trying it out. When Mike Valentine made his own business with a detector with arrows everybody said it couldn't be done. He made one of the finest detectors ever made and proved everyone wrong. I always love the underdog and this sounds like a different concept and,without a doubt,it's overdue
 

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As frustrating as the chip shortage is, it's reassuring to hear that you're not going to try to sell a half-baked version of Theia. We don't want another "good" RD. We're waiting for a truly "revolutionary" RD, and Radenso appears to be the only company committed to doing it right.
You mean, "just as good" isn't the same thing as even better? It would be like buying a scooter rather than buying a Ferrari and saying it is "just as good" since they'll both get you to your destination.
 

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I read often and write rarely. I very much look forward to getting hopefully one of the first one's of Theia when released. Like yourselves just being patiently and waiting for it to come. Like everybody on here I love the cat and mouse games on the road. I have the redline 360c,the R7 and of course the Valentine one gen2. I never thought I would say this but I have came to the simple conclusion that the Valentine after all these years and I've been running it for over 20, is truly outdated and obsolete. I refuse to tie my phone up to it. It should be self supportive. The R7 is not a bad detector if you are on a budget but I just think it's made cheap, updating it is a nightmare and way too noisy for my taste. Some improvements but not enough. It has a purpose in the world though do not misunderstand me. But I do find myself using the redline the most. It's a mighty fine detector and I could probably say I think it's the best one I have ever ran. It has its issues too,however. But I definitely find Theia very interesting and I'm looking forward to trying it out. When Mike Valentine made his own business with a detector with arrows everybody said it couldn't be done. He made one of the finest detectors ever made and proved everyone wrong. I always love the underdog and this sounds like a different concept and,without a doubt,it's overdue

That pesky obsolete G2 beating all those advanced AI-infused RDs like the R360c.
 

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That pesky obsolete G2 beating all those advanced AI-infused RDs like the R360c.
Escort "AI" couldn't discern 1 from 0.

Doesn't obsolete mean it had to be the best at one point? Always learning here.
 

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Escort "AI" couldn't discern 1 from 0.

Doesn't obsolete mean it had to be the best at one point? Always learning here.
Easy there, you difficult RDF member ;)
 

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Escort "AI" couldn't discern 1 from 0.

Doesn't obsolete mean it had to be the best at one point? Always learning here.
There is no artificial intelligence with redline I very well know that. I live in Iowa and they're running MRCD here. The Valentine is obsolete it's no longer good for me. It doesn't even have the hardware to make that happen. Mike Valentine has always been good at sitting on the sidelines until he's forced to do something. In this day and age a radar detector should be self sufficient. If the Valentine is doing you while keep it. It's no longer good enough for me
 

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There is no artificial intelligence with redline I very well know that. I live in Iowa and they're running MRCD here. The Valentine is obsolete it's no longer good for me. It doesn't even have the hardware to make that happen. Mike Valentine has always been good at sitting on the sidelines until he's forced to do something. In this day and age a radar detector should be self sufficient. If the Valentine is doing you while keep it. It's no longer good enough for me
Sounds like grammar might be obsolete as well.
 

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There is no artificial intelligence with redline I very well know that. I live in Iowa and they're running MRCD here. The Valentine is obsolete it's no longer good for me. It doesn't even have the hardware to make that happen. Mike Valentine has always been good at sitting on the sidelines until he's forced to do something. In this day and age a radar detector should be self sufficient. If the Valentine is doing you while keep it. It's no longer good enough for me

This is an important point you've made. Even after Theia and the AI overlords have arrived, there will still be a market for "legacy" RD's, because people's needs and circumstances are different. You apparently need MRCD support, and want an all-in-one solution, which is valid.

For others like myself, the V1G2 with JBV1 automatically connecting when I turn my car on is all I currently need driving through-out New England and New York, which is also valid.

That said, if and when Radenso delivers a truly open RD platform, and I don't just mean an API, but a linux running appliance that *I* can modify and adjust to my liking, they'll have my cash in hand. I don't even care about the AI bits to keep things quiet, I just want a chance to have access to the low level signal information and alerting behavior, beyond what an API can deliver (frequency, signal strength, direction, at very low sample rates).

Ah... such wonderful dreams...
 

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There is no artificial intelligence with redline I very well know that. I live in Iowa and they're running MRCD here. The Valentine is obsolete it's no longer good for me. It doesn't even have the hardware to make that happen. Mike Valentine has always been good at sitting on the sidelines until he's forced to do something. In this day and age a radar detector should be self sufficient. If the Valentine is doing you while keep it. It's no longer good enough for me
Can you grab a pic of the MRCD equipped vehicle next time you see one?

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Can you grab a pic of the MRCD equipped vehicle next time you see one?

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I will try but it's nothing stunning by any means it's always just a pickup truck with it in the back. They like parking under bridges for some reason
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This is an important point you've made. Even after Theia and the AI overlords have arrived, there will still be a market for "legacy" RD's, because people's needs and circumstances are different. You apparently need MRCD support, and want an all-in-one solution, which is valid.

For others like myself, the V1G2 with JBV1 automatically connecting when I turn my car on is all I currently need driving through-out New England and New York, which is also valid.

That said, if and when Radenso delivers a truly open RD platform, and I don't just mean an API, but a linux running appliance that *I* can modify and adjust to my liking, they'll have my cash in hand. I don't even care about the AI bits to keep things quiet, I just want a chance to have access to the low level signal information and alerting behavior, beyond what an API can deliver (frequency, signal strength, direction, at very low sample rates).

Ah... such wonderful dreams...
These things have to make a lot of noise in New York don't it? You are right about Valentine doing you well. If it's working well for you then by all means keep it. With MRCD in Iowa you have to have this now. It faults more than I like but when it is in the area and it does work. I was just saying to one of the other guys for some reason they'd like parking those trucks under bridges,I have no idea why. I am looking forward to Theia,I have no idea how much it costs but it'll probably be a grand or more. Whatever it is I will pay it
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Sounds like grammar might be obsolete as well.
I use speech to text, I'm too lazy to care about if the spelling is perfect. I'd like to figure people who are smart enough can figure it out
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That pesky obsolete G2 beating all those advanced AI-infused RDs like the R360c.
The performance out of those detectors are pretty close to the same. It's not enough to argue about and yes having the speed cameras built into it is nice feature
 
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