Is Alert History stored in Detector or App?

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Do I need to have the EL app running in order for events to be added to the alert log?

Or can I run the app at a later time and the app will download the alerts history from my RL360C?
 

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Do I need to have the EL app running in order for events to be added to the alert log?

Or can I run the app at a later time and the app will download the alerts history from my RL360C?

Alert history is recorded by the app only, so you will need to be connected to EL.
 

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Thank you for the quick reply.

That sucks - I don't want to run the app due to it needing location permission on (I don't want to keep feeding google)
 
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Thank you for the quick reply.

That sucks - I don't want to run the app due to it needing location permission on (I don't want to keep feeding google)
I think a lot of us use a burner email for our countermeasure stuff. I hope google is enjoying tracking all of the movements of Mike Hawk.
 

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And what really sucks in my experiences about EL is that you need to be connected to the RD in order to see the history. Maybe it's just my experience/phone. Idk
 

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I don't want to run the app due to it needing location permission on
Yeah that's how they let you know speed limits of road you're traveling, AND, more importantly, if you value it, the user based alerts that show on the detector screen, while connected (in the starbursts)...
 

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Yeah that's how they let you know speed limits of road you're traveling, AND, more importantly, if you value it, the user based alerts that show on the detector screen, while connected (in the starbursts)...
I am an android developer and this is the problem...

When apps ask for location permission, they are not talking directly to the GPS receiver, they are asking the android OS for the location info. This is done for a few reasons:

(this discussion is for location methods not just for driving, but walking, etc)

1) The determination of location is not derived just from the GPS receiver because there could be dead spots for GPS (like when indoors), so android uses other methods, like wifi SSID's - Remember when google got a lot of complaints when they admitted their google street view cars where recording the Wifi hotspot names being transmitted from houses as they drove around, and allowed them to build a huge database of the lat/long location for each of those hotspots? So, when your phone even just "sees" a particular hotspot, google will know your location EVEN When you have your location "off" because it knows the location of that hot spot! And when you have your phone's location turned on and your are connected to a wifi router, google records the lat/long location and will associate it to that router, further feeding the google engine with more hotspots to use for location tracking in the future.

2) Instead of having to calculate the location for each app separately when a bunch of different apps are asking for it, android will instead cache the location once every period of time and send it to any apps requesting it if the cached location data was calculated recently. It just helps reduce CPU and GPS usage to save battery life.

So, basically, the location is determine by the android OS, and thus uses google's cloud system - feeding google with more and more potentially private location data.

What would be real cool is if the EL app could simply get the cars location from the GPS receiver in the detector and NOT ask android for it. This way we users can keep location OFF on our phone, yet the EL app will still know our location. And best off all the location data will NOT leak to google because the EL app is talking directly to the detector and not using android at all!
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Yeah that's how they let you know speed limits of road you're traveling, AND, more importantly, if you value it, the user based alerts that show on the detector screen, while connected (in the starbursts)...
If the EL app could get our location using the idea in my above post, then the EL app could still do all these features without requiring location to be turned on in our phones.
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And what really sucks in my experiences about EL is that you need to be connected to the RD in order to see the history. Maybe it's just my experience/phone. Idk
I agree, the history should be available even when not connected to the detector so we can examine it at another time.

What would be cool is if there was a way to export it to a file, then developers could create apps to display and compile that data from other users too - but then again Escort probably doesn't want a competitor to be able to gather this info
 
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I am an android developer and this is the problem...

When apps ask for location permission, they are not talking directly to the GPS receiver, they are asking the android OS for the location info. This is done for a few reasons:

(this discussion is for location methods not just for driving, but walking, etc)

1) The determination of location is not derived just from the GPS receiver because there could be dead spots for GPS (like when indoors), so android uses other methods, like wifi SSID's - Remember when google got a lot of complaints when they admitted their google street view cars where recording the Wifi hotspot names being transmitted from houses as they drove around, and allowed them to build a huge database of the lat/long location for each of those hotspots? So, when your phone even just "sees" a particular hotspot, google will know your location EVEN When you have your location "off" because it knows the location of that hot spot! And when you have your phone's location turned on and your are connected to a wifi router, google records the lat/long location and will associate it to that router, further feeding the google engine with more hotspots to use for location tracking in the future.

2) Instead of having to calculate the location for each app separately when a bunch of different apps are asking for it, android will instead cache the location once every period of time and send it to any apps requesting it if the cached location data was calculated recently. It just helps reduce CPU and GPS usage to save battery life.

So, basically, the location is determine by the android OS, and thus uses google's cloud system - feeding google with more and more potentially private location data.

What would be real cool is if the EL app could simply get the cars location from the GPS receiver in the detector and NOT ask android for it. This way we users can keep location OFF on our phone, yet the EL app will still know our location. And best off all the location data will NOT leak to google because the EL app is talking directly to the detector and not using android at all!
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If the EL app could get our location using the idea in my above post, then the EL app could still do all these features without requiring location to be turned on in our phones.
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I agree, the history should be available even when not connected to the detector so we can examine it at another time.

What would be cool is if there was a way to export it to a file, then developers could create apps to display and compile that data from other users too - but then again Escort probably doesn't want a competitor to be able to gather this info
I doubt we will ever see EL become open-source. It would be great, but I don't think we will see it for awhile or ever.
 

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I think a lot of us use a burner email for our countermeasure stuff. I hope google is enjoying tracking all of the movements of Mike Hawk.
Sadly, being a developer, I know multiple ways google can easily match burner emails to your regular email :(
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I doubt we will ever see EL become open-source. It would be great, but I don't think we will see it for awhile or ever.
I am starting to really dislike it when this forum combines posts together if they were recently posted separately because then its hard to determine what post a reply relates to.

If your comment was related to the "export" feature I agree.

But if your comment was related to my idea of the EL app using the detector's GPS instead of androids, then the EL app doesn't need to be open sourced to do that.
 
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Sadly, being a developer, I know multiple ways google can easily match burner emails to your regular email :(
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I don't like when this forum combines my posts together if I post them separately because then its hard to determine what your comment relates to.

If your comment was related to the "export" feature I agree.

But if your comment was related to my idea of the EL app using the detector's GPS instead of androids, then the EL app doesn't need to be open sourced to do that.
Yes it was related to the export feature. I have a secondary phone for Work, I just use that for short drives for EL connection (it's an iPhone). I've noticed both platforms are solid for the EL app.

Fun fact- If you have your 2nd phone connected initally via BT to the Radar, and you forget to disconnect or the phone dies. You cannot connect your 1st phone to the RD, it will refuse. So when you Charge up your 2nd phone, and reconnect than disconnect it will work. 😅
 

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Fun fact- If you have your 2nd phone connected initally via BT to the Radar, and you forget to disconnect or the phone dies. You cannot connect your 1st phone to the RD, it will refuse. So when you Charge up your 2nd phone, and reconnect than disconnect it will work. 😅
The next time that happens, try doing a "Force Stop" of the EL app and then rerun it and see if you are able to connect to the 1st phone right away.

The EL app could be "waiting" for the connection to resume with the 2nd phone and will not allow anything else. But by properly killing the app, it will clear it's memory and be "receptive" to connecting to another phone right away.

(P.S. I wish there was a "Force Stop" button for my wife when we are having a heated discussion. This way she will suddenly be quite and won't remember what we were just talking about :)
 
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The next time that happens, try doing a "Force Stop" of the EL app and then rerun it and see if you are able to connect to the 1st phone right away.
If I do force-stop that does the trick, but why would I have to do two steps to force stop it when it should just stop by itself Lol.
 

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If I do force-stop that does the trick, but why would I have to do two steps to force stop it when it should just stop by itself Lol.
The app is actually trying to save you time.

When the app was being developed, the developers probably assumed user's will only use the app with one detector, so when it looses connection (like if you get out of your car to go into a store), it will patiently wait for it to automatically reconnect to the same detector and will not "look" for other detectors, so you don't have to manually do a "connect" every time you get back into the car.
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What the app should have is a "Force Disconnect" button for situations like that.
 
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