Releasing a new detector without arrows

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I haven't "waited" like that for 20+ years. (Nor have I had any radar tickets with my V1 in that time) To each his own though. :)
My point exactly. To each their own.
 

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This isn't directed at you @Too3zln, but more of an idea for those that are wondering about the arrow usefulness.

As V1 owners, we've been dealing with naysayers collectively for 30 years now.
We've heard it all.

A great many of us started out with single horn detectors and we know what that's like. A dual horn detector often acts like a single horn in many situations as well so it's not that we forget.

It's not the people that don't want dual horn detectors that is the problem in discussions like these. Don't want it? No problem. :)

The problem is when those that haven't used a dual horn detector proclaim how useless they are to people who are asking.

That's like asking someone who lives in the basement of a building what the view from the top floors are like. Only the top floor people have experience to talk from.

That is honestly the biggest issue with any of these conversations. Again, not addressed at anyone here. :)
 
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It is very easy to just get ahead and avoid the one from the rear. My whole point is I have got hits from the rear, speed up, only to be hit by a trooper coming at me from the other direction on a few occasions. This is the whole reason while I am cautious and wait for a good while before picking it back up. They seem to work in tandem on occasion in my area. It slows down my progress but better safe than sorry.

An arrow detector for sure helps, but to me, if it goes off, no matter the direction, you better wait.
Yep, you have to do what works for you. It sounds like you got target fixated in your examples. This is where your attention was focused on the threat behind you, or you assumed it could be the only threat.

Paying attention to all of your surroundings and anticipating threats and dangers is always important, but even more-so when you decide to kick the speed up. Disregarding the threat behind you and getting popped from the front is no different than having poor rear detection and no longer getting a signal from behind, kicking up the speed and then getting popped from a new threat in front.
 

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For the past 45 years that I've owned a RD , its mostly been the Escort brand ,upgrading from the Cobra Trapshooter 2. I have been saved from the "Alert" sounds many times. Never a ticket, the RD did its job. When I finally upgraded to the RL360c, and its use of arrows, man how cool is that? have I been saved any more than non arrowed RDs? Nope. Still no tickets. But the "Cool" factor did increase. Yes its nice to see where the signals coming from, but in all honesty , when the alert goes off, I hit the brakes hard before I see the arrows. So for me its just a toy. I do love my toys and will buy a Theia. But adding the DS1 is just "FUN"! Arrows are just fun. Alert means BRAKE!! Just my .02 cents worth.
 

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This isn't directed at you @Too3zln, but more of an idea for those that are wondering about the arrow usefulness.

As V1 owners, we've been dealing with naysayers collectively for 30 years now.
We've heard it all.

A great many of us started out with single horn detectors and we know what that's like. A dual horn detector often acts like a single horn in many situations as well so it's not that we forget.

It's not the people that don't want dual horn detectors that is the problem in discussions like these. Don't want it? No problem. :)

The problem is when those that haven't used a dual horn detector proclaim how useless they are to people who are asking.

That's like asking someone who lives in the basement of a building what the view from the top floors are like. Only the top floor people have experience to talk from.

That is honestly the biggest issue with any of these conversations. Again, not addressed at anyone here. :)
I have an R7. I 100 percent agree with you.
 

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Arrows?
Bah!
Regardless of how much or little information the driver gets, it's their actions that matter.

I've pulled my Ka trigger on a few douches that were acting up on the road, and they had detectors.
Common theme, they hesitate with a brake pump or two, then floor it like maniacs to get away.
Who here floors it when Ka lights up full bars instant on, repeatedly?
They do here.
I decided not to do that again no matter how empty the roads, when they double or triple the speed limit just to outrun a radar signal.
Everyone of them was totally goose cooked impounded and going to jail if it was a LEO anywhere around.
Arrows, no arrows, you just can't help some people.
The education level of members here blows the public into vapor, so use your knowledge wisely.
 

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Arrows?
Bah!
Regardless of how much or little information the driver gets, it's their actions that matter.

I've pulled my Ka trigger on a few douches that were acting up on the road, and they had detectors.
Common theme, they hesitate with a brake pump or two, then floor it like maniacs to get away.
Who here floors it when Ka lights up full bars instant on, repeatedly?
They do here.
I decided not to do that again no matter how empty the roads, when they double or triple the speed limit just to outrun a radar signal.
Everyone of them was totally goose cooked impounded and going to jail if it was a LEO anywhere around.
Arrows, no arrows, you just can't help some people.
The education level of members here blows the public into vapor, so use your knowledge wisely.
If this thread about arrow usefulness solely to inform the public about using the information given to you, especially for a new user, get a hit and slow down. Determine later if you want to speed up. Advanced users are advanced for a reason and should know their areas like back of the hand. Act accordingly to your knowledge of what is being presented.

I feel like my somewhat rhetorical questions last night has pointed this thread in the wrong direction. I was not able to fully explain my reasonings as I was preoccupied, and should thought about my posts more thoroughly. The posts from others have explained some of my thoughts, on both sides.
 

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I love arrows.
I love great detectors without arrows to.
Hunting out the LEO is definitely easier with good arrows.
Now that extreme range is becoming normal, they help even more than old detectors that only alert short distances before the encounters.
But in the end, how you use a detector to adjust your driving is the decider on save or no save.
 

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to me, if it goes off, no matter the direction, you better wait.
That’s a perfectly valid choice, and you’re welcome to make it, but I’d much rather leave the weak rear threat behind and continue on my way unencumbered.

PS As for the original topic, that’s the only reason I didn’t pick up a DS1. I’m still considering one for the wife’s car, as she would benefit from the “simplicity” of it, but for her the V1G1 range is already enough, and I’m going to sneakily enable V1Driver in silent mode on her phone.
 
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As for the original topic, that’s the only reason I didn’t pick up a DS1. I’m still considering one for the wife’s car, as she would benefit from the “simplicity” of it, but for her
Ditto, the easy simple DS1 would be premium for the wife, big upgrade over the Pro M for what she faces.
But I'm greedy and keeping the DS1 for my nefarious test collection for now.
She gets the spare DualPro 360 because of the Auto Lockouts. She won't touch anything on the Pro M so fully automated it is for her.
Arrows are the "bonus upgrade" I sold her on, plus the pretty blue color.
Now I have my OG DP360 and Pro M back into the test pool.
Devious...😈
 

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Let say you started gapping said officer, only to fall into an I/O trap. Then what? I'm not saying directional arrows don't help because they do, in most circumstances. Every cituation is relative.

If they help you out, cool. To each their own.
Why are some people so sensitive these days?
Who's sensitive? That was a statement of a factual occurrence.
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It is very easy to just get ahead and avoid the one from the rear. My whole point is I have got hits from the rear, speed up, only to be hit by a trooper coming at me from the other direction on a few occasions. This is the whole reason while I am cautious and wait for a good while before picking it back up. They seem to work in tandem on occasion in my area. It slows down my progress but better safe than sorry.

An arrow detector for sure helps, but to me, if it goes off, no matter the direction, you better wait.
You have just confirmed the value of knowing where the threat is. Thank you.
 
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I have to wonder if the average consumer who is even considering a RD would appreciate arrows, if they knew they existed.

Case in point: Best Buy's listing for the R7.

In the features list, there's no mention of arrows. An average consumer browsing this site, or in store I would assume, would have no idea of this feature or the potential benefit. The primary reason for choosing a single horn RD would be the cost difference. One could argue this feature may not be in demand by the average consumer because they're not fully aware it exists.

When visiting V1's site, the feature is prominent but the average person may never know about the V1 since it's not sold in stores and not a well known brand like Uniden.

So it becomes one of those things where the consumer doesn't know what they want... they have to be shown. And if they were, in more detail like V1 does it, they may choose it.
 

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I have to wonder if the average consumer who is even considering a RD would appreciate arrows, if they knew they existed.

Case in point: Best Buy's listing for the R7.

In the features list, there's no mention of arrows. An average consumer browsing this site, or in store I would assume, would have no idea of this feature or the potential benefit. The primary reason for choosing a single horn RD would be the cost difference. One could argue this feature may not be in demand by the average consumer because they're not fully aware it exists.

When visiting V1's site, the feature is prominent but the average person may never know about the V1 since it's not sold in stores and not a well known brand like Uniden.

So it becomes one of those things where the consumer doesn't know what they want... they have to be shown. And if they were, in more detail like V1 does it, they may choose it.
Directly from Best Buy's page for the R7 under "Description":

'Avoid speeding tickets with this Uniden R7 radar detector. The large OLED display includes arrows that identify the direction of incoming threats and change color on a scale of green to red to indicate the signal's strength. This Uniden R7 radar tracks up to four signals simultaneously for greater awareness as you drive."
 

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Directly from Best Buy's page for the R7 under "Description":

'Avoid speeding tickets with this Uniden R7 radar detector. The large OLED display includes arrows that identify the direction of incoming threats and change color on a scale of green to red to indicate the signal's strength. This Uniden R7 radar tracks up to four signals simultaneously for greater awareness as you drive."
Ah see! Me, the lazy, average consumer, went right to the feature list because I like the detail shown there and expect the best features to be listed.
 

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Would leaky detectors with arrows leak RF energy in two directions instead of just primarily in one direction?
 

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I have to wonder if the average consumer who is even considering a RD would appreciate arrows, if they knew they existed.
I have to disagree. It was the situational awareness (arrows) that was the USP of V1 that made me buy one 25 years ago. I was just a reasonably informed MoTP then, and had used single horn detectors since 1984.
Since then V1 has been had a major part of the high end detector market. Arrows are recognised as the mark of a superior detector to the average pleb.
Even my DAF neighbours kid wanted my old V1's because of the arrows.
 

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I have to disagree. It was the situational awareness (arrows) that was the USP of V1 that made me buy one 25 years ago. I was just a reasonably informed MoTP then, and had used single horn detectors since 1984.
Since then V1 has been had a major part of the high end detector market. Arrows are recognised as the mark of a superior detector to the average pleb.
Even my DAF neighbours kid wanted my old V1's because of the arrows.

Lou, this is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. RDs were in the mainstream more than they are now. Car magazines regularly covered them, they were in movies and TV shows, and because radar was limited to X and K, a detector was a normal item to see in a car, since detection was simple. False alarms weren't common and the ones that developed over time, door openers, etc. made V1 the “RD” that users wanted to own because it facilitated a cleaner situational picture. It was a sweet, yet expensive item to have. Back then, $400 was quite a lot!

As that picture became more noisy (BSMs), cops telling people RDs don't work, and then lasers were introduced, many people assumed RDs were ineffective. Recently, someone asked if RDs were even a thing anymore, and I explained how effective they are even today. These were normal guys, just with a distorted perception due to time and the spread of false information. This happens every time someone new sits in my car; “What’s that?”, “It works?”, etc…

Without doing some real sampling, it would be a stretch for consumers today to recognize arrows as a major feature, but I'd bet most wouldn't know what they were and if they did, they would understand the advantages. Because many single-horn RDs cost the same as the V1, the arrows might be viewed as not important, just another feature to ignore as long as it beeps, i.e. “I just don’t want to get another ticket!”.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see a user study that shows a Best Buy listing for a comparably priced, single-horn RD then shows the V1's site and asks, which one would you pick, now that you have read the info provided?
 

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You can’t compare that!! Doesn’t make sense!! Bad comparison attempt!!
Why would any car released be allowed to go faster than the max legal US speed limit? Because going that fast is against the law! Now, getting up to that max speed as fast as possible is a different matter...
 

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Lou, this is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. RDs were in the mainstream more than they are now. Car magazines regularly covered them, they were in movies and TV shows, and because radar was limited to X and K, a detector was a normal item to see in a car, since detection was simple. False alarms weren't common and the ones that developed over time, door openers, etc. made V1 the “RD” that users wanted to own because it facilitated a cleaner situational picture. It was a sweet, yet expensive item to have. Back then, $400 was quite a lot!

As that picture became more noisy (BSMs), cops telling people RDs don't work, and then lasers were introduced, many people assumed RDs were ineffective. Recently, someone asked if RDs were even a thing anymore, and I explained how effective they are even today. These were normal guys, just with a distorted perception due to time and the spread of false information. This happens every time someone new sits in my car; “What’s that?”, “It works?”, etc…
Whenever I bring up radar detectors, my friends and colleagues look confused.
Almost none of them know what they are, how they work, or if they know about them, don't think they are legal.
These people work in technical and engineering jobs.
 

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