Uniden R7NZ vs Escort Redline 360c NZ vs V1 Gen2 for mixed rural/urban NZ use?

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With all due respect Mithheru, DC Fluid was such a rabid anti VR member that I ignored him, he's since had some enlightenment and uses Gen 2, but he's no expert. When it comes to testing I prefer guys like Kenny C56 who were converted from their very effective ghetto systems to Gen 2.
But I am referring to the totality of the JBV1/Gen 2 system as a countermeasure not just range.
As I said, I myself have not used the V1G2. I know you do, and I know paired to the Phone App it does work really well. I also know it can provide decent protection against the redflex. Relative to the R7 against the same van on the same day in the same location, I genuinely have no idea which would have the edge over the other. It would also depend on firmware installed. My feeling is that they are probably very close to each other when optimised for NZ conditions.

However, my preference is for a detector which I can just turn on and let it do everything, and generally only alert me when I need it to. The V1G2 adds bluetooth and can be paired to the phone. However, it does need pairing to the phone to get the most out of it. For me, for short trips even 10 minutes away includes multiple stretches where people regularly get pulled over. Therefore I always use a detector if for nothing else than just for seeing what threats are around on any given day.
 

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As I said, I myself have not used the V1G2. I know you do, and I know paired to the Phone App it does work really well. I also know it can provide decent protection against the redflex. Relative to the R7 against the same van on the same day in the same location, I genuinely have no idea which would have the edge over the other. It would also depend on firmware installed. My feeling is that they are probably very close to each other when optimised for NZ conditions.

However, my preference is for a detector which I can just turn on and let it do everything, and generally only alert me when I need it to. The V1G2 adds bluetooth and can be paired to the phone. However, it does need pairing to the phone to get the most out of it. For me, for short trips even 10 minutes away includes multiple stretches where people regularly get pulled over. Therefore I always use a detector if for nothing else than just for seeing what threats are around on any given day.
That's right, multiple tests have shown very little difference between them. If VR weren't around I'd probably be using an R7.
But to me JBV1 is like arrows, I couldn't do without it.
And, not trying to convert you or anything like that, my set up does exactly what yours does. I start the car, Gen2/JBV1 auto start and I'm off. No fussing or pairing.
 

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Hi. New NZ member here. I have had a Uniden DFR7NZ for a few years which has worked well for me, and multiple other detectors of various brands/models before that, over several decades. Looking to upgrade to something new, mainly because the speaker is failing in my DFR7.

I was thinking of either an R7NZ (I know they are out of stock at the moment so that may be one "con" if I want to buy soon), an Escort Redline 360c NZ, or a V1 Gen2 (is there a specific NZ version of that?) .

Does anyone have any advice for me on the Pros/Cons and relative performance of those three for general use in NZ, or a recommendation for anything else I may have missed in that upper end of the range of detectors. I live rurally but do a mix of urban and rural driving. Price of all three is within my budget so that's not really a consideration. I currently use and want to keep using K band and don't mind some falses (I currently run with K band 1 on, and Ka bands 5 and 6 on, plus K filter on) .

I have three specific detection/falses questions.

Will any of those 3 give me any/signifcantly better detection of NZ pole and van cameras than my DFR7NZ has done, and will any of those 3 stand out better on that? (I usually/sometimes get a shortish range warning on those with the DFR7NZ)

Will any/all of those 3 give me significantly longer range Ka detection than my DFR7NZ, and does any of them particularly stand out in that?

Will any/all of those give me fewer falses on other in-car BSM systems than my DFR7NZ (Some Hondas, some Mazdas and some others seem to set that off)?

Cheers and thanks in advance.
Redflex is a big issue in Ireland as well.
R7 works great, especially if vertically mounted. Mithheru can advise on an holder.

IMHO the USA version will work fine in NZ as is, or Mithheru can convert to New Zealand software, this way you may get one a lot sooner and cheaper from USA.

I get about 400m forward facing (driving towards van) and 150-200 rear facing (driving away from van)
Range is variable though as they seem to be able to reduce power.
From my reading, this is about as good as it gets for Redflex.
Would be interesting to hear if the V1G2 range quoted below is a result of normal horizontal mounting or vertical?
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They are now using cheap shitty MG’s in Sydney but also still seen the subarus around. I saw two of them virtually 2-3km apart on the same road and tested the R3 against them Rear facing the cars and wasn’t very effective

even turned the detector vertically. Not much difference
When I turned my r7 vertically, I got about 50% extra range. Some claim range can double. Don't give up!
 
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That's right, multiple tests have shown very little difference between them. If VR weren't around I'd probably be using an R7.
But to me JBV1 is like arrows, I couldn't do without it.
And, not trying to convert you or anything like that, my set up does exactly what yours does. I start the car, Gen2/JBV1 auto start and I'm off. No fussing or pairing.
Great point. Also you aren't just going to throw up an R7 or R3 out of the box on the windshield and go either. You have to fiddle with the settings as well. It's just far more convenient to do it with an app on the V1G2 :)
 

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Great point. Also you aren't just going to throw up an R7 or R3 out of the box on the windshield and go either. You have to fiddle with the settings as well. It's just far more convenient to do it with an app on the V1G2 :)
WRT to fiddling, the time taken with an app (factory V1connect app) on V1G2 or buttons on a Uniden/Escort is probably the same for someone for the first time. JBV1- Comes down to the user if they want a phone or not, and also spend a bit of time understanding and learning about all its great features. For ultimate customisability and control of your RD, V1G2 + JBV1 app is definitely the way to go and i'd recommend it as well, but not everyone wants a phone.
 

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Thanks for all your advice on my purchase. I went with an Escort Redline 360c AU/NZ (International) in the end, which I drove into Tauranga to collect this morning. Mini first-drive review/impressions below.

The new unit connected to the Escort live app today by bluetooth (with one glitch), was very nicely quiet from falses around Tauranga and through our own smaller town this morning, even with the default firmware it came with (which it oddly said was version 0.0 fw when I first turned it on and checked that) and of course that's with no false locations remembered/locked out by it yet, manually or automatically. It just gave a quick initial peep on a small number of K band falses around town but otherwise muted them. So it seemed very quiet on falses straight out of the box. I'm coming to this unit from a few years with a Uniden DFR7 NZ with its manual lockouts of falsing locations by GPS location, and several various other RDs before that right back to the 1980s. This new one is my first app connectable unit.

The new unit also proved itself in a real detection on the way home, giving me ample warning of a stationary constant-on Ka equipped Skoda station wagon sitting on the edge of SH2 on my way home from Tauranga, in rain and strong wind. It gave me a solid Ka warning with a sharp bend and a ridge/hill between him and me, with me also coming up a steep rise in a fairly hilly/twisty bit of road/terrain, so I was more than happy with that detection. The direction arrows worked well, although it didn't register him moving to the side then rear arrows until I was actually a little bit past him. After I had passed him it was still picking his signal up from behind and giving occasional rear arrow alerts two corners later and 1.5 km away as the crow flies, in flatter terrain than when I approached him. That was all with the "0.0" firmware it said it had at first startup, just out of the box. I have since updated it here at home to the latest 1.3 Escort international fw and what I think it said was a 1st September 2021 weekly cameras database update. Those updates went smoothly.

It really was very quiet on falses around town out of the box. Also I didn't get any alerting BSM/CAS falses at all that I could notice in my driving around Tauranga and the 40km or so drive home here, even with a lot of cars on the roads today with it being day one of level 2. Usually I get at least one or two BSM type falses these days from other cars (Mazdas or Hondas often) on a drive of that length in traffic from the older Uniden DFR7NZ unit.

I did have trouble registering the new Escort unit's serial number on their AU/NZ website this morning but a quick phone call to the listed support number in the paper setup guide (which turned out to be Neltronics in Taupo) who knew straight away what I was doing wrong, trying to enter too many numbers for the serial#, sorted that quickly.

I also had one bluetooth glitch connecting the unit to the Escort Live app in my phone. It connected fine initially then lost the connection soon after and simply wouldn't reconnect again. I tried all sorts of things that didn't fix it, and then told my mobile to delete the pairing to the unit and after that I re-paired to it and since that it has so far stayed connected when it should and has successfully reconnected automatically to the app each time after multiple power ups after stops at businesses on my way home. I was also able to connect it to my home wifi network once I got home, which I can use for automatic firmware updates in the future.

It's quite a lot heavier than my DFR7 unit, but the magnetic screen mount it came with feels solid and seemed to work well in this first hour or so of driving with it today.

All in all it was a very successful first-drive with the Redline 360c AU/NZ (International), straight out of the box. It really was very quiet on falses around Tauranga straight out of the box, and gave a strong detection performance on the Ka in difficult terrain and weather. I'll try it on a K band fixed camera or two in the next few days if I can. And I need to learn about the unit's settings and get those set to what I want. It came set up already with K band segments 1 and 4 turned on, and Ka segments 5 and 6, which seems about right for NZ from other threads I have seen here. I see some people suggest turning Ka segment 8 on as well in NZ. What is that segment for?

Cheers and thanks to you all , especially to @Mithheru.
Chris
 

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@morrienz you will be fine with just Ka 5 and 6 on. There was some debate about 35.5 (Ka-8), but it’s most likely a false. All the information requests indicate 35.5 is not in use.
 

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The 35.5xx alerts I got when I was deliberately looking for it turned out the be Whistler detectors.
It's safe to say our Police don't use it. Yet.
 

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Thanks for all your advice on my purchase. I went with an Escort Redline 360c AU/NZ (International) in the end, which I drove into Tauranga to collect this morning. Mini first-drive review/impressions below.

The new unit connected to the Escort live app today by bluetooth (with one glitch), was very nicely quiet from falses around Tauranga and through our own smaller town this morning, even with the default firmware it came with (which it oddly said was version 0.0 fw when I first turned it on and checked that) and of course that's with no false locations remembered/locked out by it yet, manually or automatically. It just gave a quick initial peep on a small number of K band falses around town but otherwise muted them. So it seemed very quiet on falses straight out of the box. I'm coming to this unit from a few years with a Uniden DFR7 NZ with its manual lockouts of falsing locations by GPS location, and several various other RDs before that right back to the 1980s. This new one is my first app connectable unit.

The new unit also proved itself in a real detection on the way home, giving me ample warning of a stationary constant-on Ka equipped Skoda station wagon sitting on the edge of SH2 on my way home from Tauranga, in rain and strong wind. It gave me a solid Ka warning with a sharp bend and a ridge/hill between him and me, with me also coming up a steep rise in a fairly hilly/twisty bit of road/terrain, so I was more than happy with that detection. The direction arrows worked well, although it didn't register him moving to the side then rear arrows until I was actually a little bit past him. After I had passed him it was still picking his signal up from behind and giving occasional rear arrow alerts two corners later and 1.5 km away as the crow flies, in flatter terrain than when I approached him. That was all with the "0.0" firmware it said it had at first startup, just out of the box. I have since updated it here at home to the latest 1.3 Escort international fw and what I think it said was a 1st September 2021 weekly cameras database update. Those updates went smoothly.

It really was very quiet on falses around town out of the box. Also I didn't get any alerting BSM/CAS falses at all that I could notice in my driving around Tauranga and the 40km or so drive home here, even with a lot of cars on the roads today with it being day one of level 2. Usually I get at least one or two BSM type falses these days from other cars (Mazdas or Hondas often) on a drive of that length in traffic from the older Uniden DFR7NZ unit.

I did have trouble registering the new Escort unit's serial number on their AU/NZ website this morning but a quick phone call to the listed support number in the paper setup guide (which turned out to be Neltronics in Taupo) who knew straight away what I was doing wrong, trying to enter too many numbers for the serial#, sorted that quickly.

I also had one bluetooth glitch connecting the unit to the Escort Live app in my phone. It connected fine initially then lost the connection soon after and simply wouldn't reconnect again. I tried all sorts of things that didn't fix it, and then told my mobile to delete the pairing to the unit and after that I re-paired to it and since that it has so far stayed connected when it should and has successfully reconnected automatically to the app each time after multiple power ups after stops at businesses on my way home. I was also able to connect it to my home wifi network once I got home, which I can use for automatic firmware updates in the future.

It's quite a lot heavier than my DFR7 unit, but the magnetic screen mount it came with feels solid and seemed to work well in this first hour or so of driving with it today.

All in all it was a very successful first-drive with the Redline 360c AU/NZ (International), straight out of the box. It really was very quiet on falses around Tauranga straight out of the box, and gave a strong detection performance on the Ka in difficult terrain and weather. I'll try it on a K band fixed camera or two in the next few days if I can. And I need to learn about the unit's settings and get those set to what I want. It came set up already with K band segments 1 and 4 turned on, and Ka segments 5 and 6, which seems about right for NZ from other threads I have seen here. I see some people suggest turning Ka segment 8 on as well in NZ. What is that segment for?

Cheers and thanks to you all , especially to @Mithheru.
Chris

How are you finding it now you've had it for a month?

Do you have to use the phone paired app to get the most out of it?

A family member is considering buying one of these and was told by a retail store it's the best available, and I just want to know whether that statement is true if you don't use the app connection - as they're not super techy and just want something they can plug in and drive.
 

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Do you have to use the phone paired app to get the most out of it?

The Valentine 1 Gen 2 needs a phone paired with it to add in important features to make the detector worth using, but the Escort RL360C really doesn't. The Escort Live app does add some options - like allowing the sound to be sent through to Bluetooth audio (car stereo or motorcycle helmet comms) the phone can connect to, but isn't essential for the operation of the detector. I think it is good to have the option of connecting to a phone, but it is far from being a requirement. The RL360C is very quiet after a few days, thanks to excellent auto-lockout performance - I can do my work commute with the detector in Highway mode and not hear any false alerts. For any work commute, to run a detector without needing a phone paired to it - I'd rate the RL360C as a great choice, especially for a non-techy person. I've had mine alert me to a cop 2 or 3 hills before I saw him, very good sensitivity!

I'd rather have the RL360C on its own than a standard R7. The R7 only really gains over the RL with a firmware update and custom database from Mithheru, primarily because of meticulous work done to customise it for NZ threats. The R7 is cheaper and if you do go with the Mithheru firmware and database then it is a great choice. If you want something that works great straight away then the RL360C is a really good choice. The R7 does not have the option of pairing with the phone, the RL360C at least does have that option if you wish to use it.

R7 - can't pair with the phone, but works great stand alone.
RL360C - works great stand alone.
RL360C - works great paired with a phone.
V1G2 stand alone - sucks, not a good choice without a phone.
V1G2 + JBV1 - is a great phone/RD combo.

I'd rather have an RL360C NZ than an R7 NZ. I'd only consider the R7 USA or R7 International which was then upgraded to the Mithheru firmware & database, this is better than the official NZ version.

BTW - I got my RL360C from http://www.radardirect.co.nz/ and they were really good.
 

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V1G2 stand alone - sucks, not a good choice without a phone.
I am assuming you mean It would be quite noisy - K falses? I think the lack of GPS based speed muting/quiet ride is what causes that. Without that the other detectors would probably suck as much. I suppose a related feature the G2 lacks in comparison to your list is the DB of cameras.

Without a phone, you can still use the stock app to setup custom frequencies or mute boxes so that it only alerts to a finite range. Once this is setup there is no need to pair with a phone. Prior to JBV1 or other apps, it is something I used to do for the Gen1. Also, if you're not worried about K band you could always turn of K band.

As for radardirect, they are really good at selling stuff, in my experience pretty crap with repairs or warranty related issues.
 

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My R3 arrived 3 days ago. I have found the factory settings work fine. The quiet ride setting from the factory means that even around town a K band alert just gives a single beep then no more noise.

I have adjusted the settings and segmented Ka band, but am running K band on wide to get some of the camera vans
 

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I am assuming you mean It would be quite noisy - K falses? I think the lack of GPS based speed muting/quiet ride is what causes that. Without that the other detectors would probably suck as much. I suppose a related feature the G2 lacks in comparison to your list is the DB of cameras.

Without a phone, you can still use the stock app to setup custom frequencies or mute boxes so that it only alerts to a finite range. Once this is setup there is no need to pair with a phone. Prior to JBV1 or other apps, it is something I used to do for the Gen1. Also, if you're not worried about K band you could always turn of K band.

Yes I think pretty much all radar detectors would suck without GPS. I'd rather have K band on to save money on speed camera tickets, but my RL360C can run K band while keeping silent for the false alerts - it is in comparison to that in which the V1G2 looks bad.

Of course, it isn't just compared to other detectors that the V1G2 looks bad, it also sucks compared to the V1G2 + JBV1. It is a real night & day difference between standalone and paired with a great app.

I've narrowed the K band down, but there are still occasional falses on frequencies that are in the range used by camera vans. But JBV1 can stifle the noise well enough for me, so I don't mind. I have the V1G2 as my motorcycle RD and I have it paired with my dedicated motorcycle navigation phone which is rugged, waterproof and has enough battery to run navigation all day long without needing to be plugged in to a charger.
 

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How are you finding it now you've had it for a month?

Do you have to use the phone paired app to get the most out of it?

A family member is considering buying one of these and was told by a retail store it's the best available, and I just want to know whether that statement is true if you don't use the app connection - as they're not super techy and just want something they can plug in and drive.
@tonynz81 I'm finding the R360c really good so far, with or without the escort app. It's very quiet on automatic door etc falses, and remarkably quiet on other car BSM/CAS falses, and the auto GPS remembering of falses seems to be working well around the towns I'm in frequently.

It's giving me plenty of properly long range Ka detects, including around corners and in up and down terrain, far longer range detects than my previous Uniden DFR7 NZ ever gave.

It's so far picking up redflex K band fixed pole cams with ample range facing the radar (but very little detection warning approaching with the radar facing away as with all current detectors that I know of), and its GPS database has also warned me well ahead of all of those fixed cams that I know of that I've passed so far, so the radar detection of the them hasn't been needed anyway with the GPS database audible and visual warning coming up with plenty of warning (It does give a false GPS warning for an old pole cam in mount maunganui that hasn't been there for a long time but the escort database still warns of).

It is also giving me long enough range detection of K band redflex vans, apart from one highly visible van I passed in the rural Waikato parked in the middle of a long straight right out in the open, that got no detection at all by the detector - with K band segments 1 and 4 turned on in the detector as is recommended here - Was his radar turned on? Who knows? I'm seeing others here with different detectors also reporting the occasional no detect of a van too though in recent times.

I use the escort app with it some of the time (which is a horrible phone battery hog but otherwise works fine for me) and other times I'm not using the app. I think I'm running the app less as the weeks go by since the detector seems to just work really well on its own anyway.

Other people's testing seems to indicate that the R360c will be slower to react to our instant on Ka radar than some other detectors, but I am certainly getting what look like useful detects of Ka cars that are clearly using instant on, including recently getting alerting chirps on one or two of those at really good range, before they were on same straight as me as they pinged other vehicles on the road well ahead of me.

The magnetic screen mount is a bit bulky but really quick and easy to click into and out of, and feels secure/solid. The detector is heavy, fairly large, and solidly built feeling, which could be seen as good or bad by different people. Some might prefer a lighter, smaller plastic unit, while others might like the solidly built feel of the R360c.
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The threat direction arrows can be a bit slow to move from ahead to side to rear after I drive past a transmitting radar (I think especially if there is a lot of traffic causing radar reflections from odd directions, and/or large nearby road signs doing the same), but when it first alerts it seems to generally get the arrow direction right, which to me seems the properly important time for the arrows to be correct, when you initially want to know where the threat is coming from.

I'm very happy with it so far and it's working fine for me either without or with the app. I updated to Escort's latest international R360c firmware and speed/redlight cams GPS database the day I got it (just make sure you get the firmware for the international model detector if that's what you'll be buying, not the US firmware). Updating that at the start is a must I think, to have it working at its best.

Cheers.
 

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How are you finding it now you've had it for a month?

Do you have to use the phone paired app to get the most out of it?

A family member is considering buying one of these and was told by a retail store it's the best available, and I just want to know whether that statement is true if you don't use the app connection - as they're not super techy and just want something they can plug in and drive.
The Escort Live app is nothing like V1D or JBV1. The concensus with US users is that it's not worth using.
As for the Redline, I'd want significant gains in performance, filtering, etc to justify the much higher cost over Gen 2 and JBV1.
And it would still lack features I've gotten spoilt by.
 
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