I struggle defining the "best" radar detector or anything else

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I dont think a best recommendation is required but people are looking for it. When someone like yourself has access to so many detectors at once and follows the market as well as you do, its natural for people to expect you know best. You very well may but saying it may not be in your best interest. Why do people want to know the answer? So they dont have to spend any time researching the options. Just tell me what to get, what to do, what to whatever so I can do it and not apply any energy. As much as I like to read and research, some areas personally I look for recommendations. If one is not the one to get but several are good choices I look at those and decide for myself without looking at the whole market. I’m looking to get a different TV for the patio, I’m sure if I read reviews there would be a standout among the options and there are so many but my decision will come down to 4K, screen size, and price. I dont need/want the one with a lot of features, just the one low in the price range will do fine. It will be the best for me since it will have to live outside in a covered area that will kill it much quicker than inside. My favorite foods my younger daughter wont eat. I could go on.

I’m rambling about the word best. I really appreciate all you do to provide the information you provide. The reviews and comparisons allow me to see the various points in things that I would otherwise not have access to. I prefer to hear the pros and cons and make my own decisions. I may be repeating what others said but skipped to the reply so I could respond in my own words without being influenced by others opinions since your question was open for response.

If someone asked me which one is best, I dont know either. Thanks to you and many others here providing test info, I can tell you every option has its good and bad.
 
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So something I've struggled with for a while is unequivocally proclaiming any RD, dashcam, or anything else as "the best" as if that also implies perfection and flawlessness.

I mean ideally we all want long range, minimal BSM's, good reliability, good customer service, etc. Plus it's awesome having arrows, autolockouts, MRCD, a reasonable price, etc. I get that the answer of what's best always "depends" based on user preference and need, but no matter which detector I could think to say is "the best," in the back of my head there's always the thought of "How can you say X is the best when [insert some flaw here]?"

Some Escort and Uniden detectors may sometimes go to sleep and not properly alert to radar in the first place. Maybe there's concerns about lockouts muting legit LEO alerts. Maybe updates are a pain. The V1 Gen2 I really love, but needing third party apps to get many features that other detectors can do natively is a turn off for the vast majority of users (though less of an issue among enthusiasts here on RDF). The lack of MRCD and freq. display I think would be less of an issue for most people. As much as I love the detector with phones and third party apps, I can't make it fit my life as a daily driver and give me the features I want in a convenient package, though YMMV like anything else.

Either way, I feel like no matter which detector you pick, there's going to be some trade-offs.

Maybe all recommendations of something being "the best" should also come with a disclaimer along the lines of "Just because I say something is the best does NOT mean that the detector is perfect" along with the more typical disclaimer of "No one detector is the best for everyone, choose the one that's best for you."

I guess I feel bad recommending products that I know may have issues for people. At the end of the day though, that's not unlike recommending cars or phones or anything else. None of those are perfect, flawless, and bug-free either. Plus you could argue that a flaw in something like a vehicle could literally be life and death, so reliability is arguably much more critical in a vehicle. If people are okay driving cars that are awesome, but still not 100% flawless, I guess the same should be true with RD's. There's some really awesome radar detectors. That doesn't mean though that any one of them are perfect. Maybe I need to just come to terms with that myself too.

Thoughts?
Are humans perfect?
 

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@Vortex Dude, you are doing great. On YouTube you can't please everyone. Always keep that in mind.

People are gonna pressure you to proclaim the "best" detector. Then others will criticize whatever you pick. Just do whatever you feel comfortable with. It's your channel. 👍
 

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With more and more automated cameras being deployed requiring GPS alerts, the one item I haven't seen much feedback on (including from all of us users) is the quality of the onboard Databases. This would include number of locations, accuracy of locations, types of marks, directionally filtered or not, ease of update, frequency of updates, and any ongoing costs among the various manufacturers.

I would encourage anyone running multiple manufacturers RDs to chime in on their experiences with any differences they may observe. On a recent trip through VA (with a M360c) I noticed a boatload of new Air Patrol alerts had been added on I-95 and I-64 and darn if there were not narrow white stripes along the shoulders at those locations. I would not have noticed had I not turned on AP which if defaulted to off.
 

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the “best“ must meet the basic functions - range and quick trigger. a detector that can not be trusted to detect qt is not the best.

from there i think the ratings should based key features - gps, bt, wifi, filtering, etc. for any feature, the con should be noted so the user understands what they are giving up. for example, “best” filtering but poor in alerting to qt….

a matrix list of the key features w/ pros & cons by model would do the trick…
 

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So something I've struggled with for a while is unequivocally proclaiming any RD, dashcam, or anything else as "the best" as if that also implies perfection and flawlessness.

I mean ideally we all want long range, minimal BSM's, good reliability, good customer service, etc. Plus it's awesome having arrows, autolockouts, MRCD, a reasonable price, etc. I get that the answer of what's best always "depends" based on user preference and need, but no matter which detector I could think to say is "the best," in the back of my head there's always the thought of "How can you say X is the best when [insert some flaw here]?"

Some Escort and Uniden detectors may sometimes go to sleep and not properly alert to radar in the first place. Maybe there's concerns about lockouts muting legit LEO alerts. Maybe updates are a pain. The V1 Gen2 I really love, but needing third party apps to get many features that other detectors can do natively is a turn off for the vast majority of users (though less of an issue among enthusiasts here on RDF). The lack of MRCD and freq. display I think would be less of an issue for most people. As much as I love the detector with phones and third party apps, I can't make it fit my life as a daily driver and give me the features I want in a convenient package, though YMMV like anything else.

Either way, I feel like no matter which detector you pick, there's going to be some trade-offs.

Maybe all recommendations of something being "the best" should also come with a disclaimer along the lines of "Just because I say something is the best does NOT mean that the detector is perfect" along with the more typical disclaimer of "No one detector is the best for everyone, choose the one that's best for you."

I guess I feel bad recommending products that I know may have issues for people. At the end of the day though, that's not unlike recommending cars or phones or anything else. None of those are perfect, flawless, and bug-free either. Plus you could argue that a flaw in something like a vehicle could literally be life and death, so reliability is arguably much more critical in a vehicle. If people are okay driving cars that are awesome, but still not 100% flawless, I guess the same should be true with RD's. There's some really awesome radar detectors. That doesn't mean though that any one of them are perfect. Maybe I need to just come to terms with that myself too.

Thoughts?

I personally think you do a great job and should have no regrets. Nothing will ever be the hands down best, they all have tradeoffs...
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@Vortex how about using a Doug Score multi-category scoring system?

Styling (aesthetics)
Acceleration (I/O alert time)
Handling (ease of menu navigation)
Fun Factor (stealth?)
Cool Factor
Features
Comfort (livability with things like false alerts)
Quality (build quality)
Practicality (detection range)
Value


It would be great to give values to the top performing detectors and some of the value kings to see how a wholistic approach to defining “best” would turn out.
only problem w doug and people like him is that they are enthusiasts and often are overly critical of things normal buyers arent. Plus secretly they would rather review lambos and exotic cars all day long if they could....lol
 
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With more and more automated cameras being deployed requiring GPS alerts, the one item I haven't seen much feedback on (including from all of us users) is the quality of the onboard Databases. This would include number of locations, accuracy of locations, types of marks, directionally filtered or not, ease of update, frequency of updates, and any ongoing costs among the various manufacturers.

I would encourage anyone running multiple manufacturers RDs to chime in on their experiences with any differences they may observe. On a recent trip through VA (with a M360c) I noticed a boatload of new Air Patrol alerts had been added on I-95 and I-64 and darn if there were not narrow white stripes along the shoulders at those locations. I would not have noticed had I not turned on AP which if defaulted to off.
Yeah that's an interesting one to test. I put like 5 detectors on my WS at once a few years ago, all from different brands, and drove past a couple speedcams. They were all pretty similar. Maybe different alert distances and some were directional, but they were all pretty similar. I'm sure in other parts of the country, things would vary more though, as new cams continue to go up and old ones start to disappear.

For a test like this to be done, I think we'd need a bunch of people testing so we could compare results in different areas. Your Air Patrol alerts is a good example of one of the differences. :)
 

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I admire what you do as far as laying it all out of the table. Far too many people that review products are either biased or mis-informed (nice way of saying they don't know what they're talking about). You are knowledgeable and as unbiased of a reviewer that I've seen to date. I like your zero bullshit style of doing things. Thank you again for what you do. I can honestly say I don't have any negative critical observations on your presentation of information.
 
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I have an idea for you.
1)Poll RDF with a list of features that the poll takers have to rank in order of importance to them
2) Create a “points” value for each feature.
3) Give more weight or points to the features based on the results of the RDF poll
4) Rank the detectors from highest to lowest based on their points received for features.
This should produce a “market based” approach and prove to be objective.

Perhaps you could have three ranks of detectors: Good, Better, Best, that require a minimum number of points to be included.
 

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As regards fair, impartial and forensic level testing of RD's, Vortex is the best and his opinions carry the most weight.

We should be worshipping Vortex and making sacrificial offerings to him every day!!

I am really enjoying participating is these discussions and interacting with these varied views with the fabulously rich, concise, colourful and clever American English comments; along with all others.

However, until everybody accepts that the Uniden R7 is simply the King of detectors and that many of these opinions are wrong; this debate will never be resolved!!!:mmmsmug:
 

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As regards fair, impartial and forensic level testing of RD's, Vortex is the best and his opinions carry the most weight.

We should be worshipping Vortex and making sacrificial offerings to him every day!!

I am really enjoying participating is these discussions and interacting with these varied views with the fabulously rich, concise, colourful and clever American English comments; along with all others.

However, until everybody accepts that the Uniden R7 is simply the King of detectors and that many of these opinions are wrong; this debate will never be resolved!!!:mmmsmug:
Pretty good stuff.
What exactly did @Vortex promise you? 😝

Just kidding. I’m glad he does what he does.

If you seen the rest of us…. You’d understand why we have a face best suited for Radio.
 

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Perfect and best are 2 different concepts.
Undoubtedly the best detector on the market today is the Uniden r7.
Does everything sufficiently well, inbuilt gps, detects mrcd, no major weaknesses and well priced.
That was easy!! :D
(Insert Jedi mind trick here) buy a V1 you must! I kid too.

Seriously though, one thing I noticed when first joining the forum, and it rings true today, is a particular detector is often lauded and critiqued for the same feature. For example, MRCD. One might say "Detector A is better because it detects MRCD". At the same time the detector is a bust because MRCD is false prone. So is detector A better with that feature? Furthermore, one might say, "I don't like this RD because I need an app". At the same time say, "My RD's app stinks". Well which is it?

@Vortex , what I take from your reviews is your knowledge of the functionaly. Compiling these facts with test results provided by the forum members create a valuable tool for the discerning consumers here. I've long been a fan of one particular brand. And I'm intrigued that others are not. I'd say I was more close minded when I first joined in 2012, but I still picked up an Escort X50 to see what all the fuss was about. It turns out I liked it. Used the V1 more, but I liked it. I heard your glowing reviews on Uniden and picked up an R1. While I wish I could throw in a few features, I can definitely see how one could depend on Uniden as a DD. I wish I had listened closer before I recently picked up a Max 360c, but I'm still glad I tried one. Seeing the strengths and weaknesses allows me to frame what I read and view hear on RDF.

What's my point? Well, keep it up. I think the best one can do is to point out what certain brands do well or don't do well. An educated consumer will pick and stick with "their best" RD.
 
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Can't really add anything new to what people have said. I like how you present everything both good and bad, and let the people decide what their best is. Seems like you did a video on your two daily drivers are, or your best. Keep doing what you're doing. We appreciate it.
 

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The problem with all reviewers, amateurs and pros, is that there is no way of knowing if or how they are being influenced.
In the car business here there was, maybe still is, a noticeable leaning towards Honda by the motoring media. By sheer coincidence, Honda provided the best and sometimes the only junkets to Japan to see and drive new models. Plus lots of other sweeteners.
Funny that.
I'm sceptical of all reviewers, and have become so because I've seen reviews of products I own that seem to be done by someone who has never used the product. My old Fuji X20 camera was one.
 

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I am beginning to get the impression that certain stereotypes order certain types of detectors.
This is what I have noticed:

1. The Right Wing Republican; Valentine 1 Gen 2, the all American detector, exclusive, patriotic.
2. The Idle Rich; escort redline 360c, most expensive, but lazy. (Sleeps? Slow response to IO)
3. The Democrat; Radenso ProM, made for America in Korea (South), Xenophile, liberal foreign policy, accessible, sensible.
4. The Communist; Neoline, cheap, many functions including dash cam, made in Korea, detects x band, widely used in Russia and Eastern Europe.
5. The Gambler; Cobra, cheap and might save you....
6. The Fantasist; Judge with the radar scrambler.
7. Big Kids; The Batman
8. The Winner; Uniden.

My list is open to improvement, correction, expansion....(Or deletion by the Mods)
 

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I am beginning to get the impression that certain stereotypes order certain types of detectors.
This is what I have noticed:

1. The Right Wing Republican; Valentine 1 Gen 2, the all American detector, exclusive, patriotic.
2. The Idle Rich; escort redline 360c, most expensive, but lazy. (Sleeps? Slow response to IO)
3. The Democrat; Radenso ProM, made for America in Korea (South), Xenophile, liberal foreign policy, accessible, sensible.
4. The Communist; Neoline, cheap, many functions including dash cam, made in Korea, detects x band, widely used in Russia and Eastern Europe.
5. The Gambler; Cobra, cheap and might save you....
6. The Fantasist; Judge with the radar scrambler.
7. Big Kids; The Batman
8. The Winner; Uniden.

My list is open to improvement, correction, expansion....(Or deletion by the Mods)
The F-it I just removed my STi-R and the only thing that broke was the display but I'm now getting rid of it AND the old blinders and upgrading to ALP jammers and throwing in NetRadar DSP because I'm not rich but I am lazy :p
 

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I am beginning to get the impression that certain stereotypes order certain types of detectors.
This is what I have noticed:

1. The Right Wing Republican; Valentine 1 Gen 2, the all American detector, exclusive, patriotic.
2. The Idle Rich; escort redline 360c, most expensive, but lazy. (Sleeps? Slow response to IO)
3. The Democrat; Radenso ProM, made for America in Korea (South), Xenophile, liberal foreign policy, accessible, sensible.
4. The Communist; Neoline, cheap, many functions including dash cam, made in Korea, detects x band, widely used in Russia and Eastern Europe.
5. The Gambler; Cobra, cheap and might save you....
6. The Fantasist; Judge with the radar scrambler.
7. Big Kids; The Batman
8. The Winner; Uniden.

My list is open to improvement, correction, expansion....(Or deletion by the Mods)
You could not be more wrong about this V1 owner. But I'm not a bleeding heart lefty tree hugger either. I hate most politicians equally.
 

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I am beginning to get the impression that certain stereotypes order certain types of detectors.
This is what I have noticed:

1. The Right Wing Republican; Valentine 1 Gen 2, the all American detector, exclusive, patriotic.
2. The Idle Rich; escort redline 360c, most expensive, but lazy. (Sleeps? Slow response to IO)
3. The Democrat; Radenso ProM, made for America in Korea (South), Xenophile, liberal foreign policy, accessible, sensible.
4. The Communist; Neoline, cheap, many functions including dash cam, made in Korea, detects x band, widely used in Russia and Eastern Europe.
5. The Gambler; Cobra, cheap and might save you....
6. The Fantasist; Judge with the radar scrambler.
7. Big Kids; The Batman
8. The Winner; Uniden.

My list is open to improvement, correction, expansion....(Or deletion by the Mods)

What if you own the R7, V1G2, and the RL360C? 🤔
 

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What if you own the R7, V1G2, and the RL360C? 🤔
*In the AA meeting voice*

Welcome, jestric, you aren't alone. The first step is to admit you have a problem. You will get your coin in due time.
 

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An idle rich Republican winner!
A good thing to be, but...
I can't help get the image of a large, powerful, fair haired and very controversial gentleman from my mind!
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You could not be more wrong about this V1 owner. But I'm not a bleeding heart lefty tree hugger either. I hate most politicians equally.
Yea, but you probably either/or:
1. Owned a V1 at a time when there were few others.
2. Were reared in a large American city, middle class.
3. Served in the US military...???
There's no point having a theory without testing it. :beer:
 
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