Ka Testing 6 Detectors - DC Fluid - June 14, 2021

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So in the latest build I just sent through to @DC Fluid, the K blocks should now be fully implemented on both the show / Hide modes as well as on On/Off/Weak.

This example is what the display looks like when detecting a frequency within the Mazda block and set with the "Show K Blocks" option.

After discussion with DC Fluid we proposed to have these displayed as IVT as opposed to BSM (e.g. https://www.buyradardetectors.com/blog/2019/09/what-is-radar-detector-ivt-filtering.html).



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Thank you for putting this together! I run a max360c in the mountains here in n.c. and it is crazy how much the terrain can effect it's range. Ive had some very close calls.

It's definitely time to upgrade...
 

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So in the latest build I just sent through to @DC Fluid, the K blocks should now be fully implemented on both the show / Hide modes as well as on On/Off/Weak.

This example is what the display looks like when detecting a frequency within the Mazda block and set with the "Show K Blocks" option.

After discussion with DC Fluid we proposed to have these displayed as IVT as opposed to BSM (e.g. https://www.buyradardetectors.com/blog/2019/09/what-is-radar-detector-ivt-filtering.html).



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pretty cool. and this is always silent?
 

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pretty cool. and this is always silent?
I believe if you have the K Blocks ON, then silent.
Only the display of the blocks changes, unless you exceed the WEAK threshold triggering the audio alert.

Cool thing I see from Mithheru is adjusting Auto Mute Memory to NOT lock out these signals muted by K Block, so that there is less chance of locking out a legit signal.
This would be extremely helpful for CX-5 owners who can't work around self induced BSM with the current USA 137.
 

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And I have to drive with two rd because uniden R3 can't handle Mrcd and laser !! until it gets new updates and the bugfixing is weak.
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Everything you're about to read is only one test, by one individual, doing his best to bring the most unbiased & factual data to the forum.
The data is hard facts, observations were as viewed.
Opinions are just that, a personal viewpoint on the days activities and results. I will try to leave the opinions until last in a titled section.
Please use this information in combination with many other sources before making solid conclusions.



June 14th, 2021
Headed out this morning to set up a large Ka test.
First official run completed 1:26 PM. Many hours of gathering gear, setting up, running the course until I was happy with radar signal spread down course.
Had to re-setup a couple times, I will get to that in the order it happened.

Weather was poor the first part for 35.5, but at least it was steady so results were consistent.
When rain stopped I had to through out several runs as the course was rapidly changing distances as the road dried up, pushing me over the end after 5 runs.
So a time out and reset.

Set up:
Levelled each detector mount, even the Cobra. (@Vortex I had Escort mount failure as big sticky cup kept falling off even without a detector, cleaned glass and cups to start. I had success with a Wet Ones wipe as it cleaned off a film and every bit of junk & dust off the fairly new cup. Stuck like hot damn after that)
110V powered charger on to 12V ATV battery (I forgot my 110-12 adaptor), for constant even power, no fade issues over the many hours of testing today.
Aimed about 80 degrees off axis, nearly 90 to the travelled road. Aimed mostly about 10 to 20 degrees up, just a bit above road level on the tripod.
35.5 I was aiming more direct into the course in the pouring rain. After when starting 34.7 I had to abandon runs and reset a little higher and more square to road, still not at 90 degrees though.
I used the quick change dovetail in and out of tripod, so I could do it quickly without getting eaten alive.
See here:
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Detectors:
R7A -Running International firmware 138 Beta Version, Thanks to @Mithheru
R7B - Running USA firmware 137
Redline 360c running firmware 1.8
Cobra DualPro 360 running firmware 1.2
Max 360c running 1.13
R3 running 1.54
All runs were done in this order, 1 run each, then start over until 3 runs done for each detector. The run # column tells you which run in the sequence it was.

All Unidens Seg 2.4.5.6.8, Highway, MRCD Off, K filter & TSF On, Quiet Ride 10 kph, Auto Mute Memory off
Redline 360c & DualPro 360 Seg 2.4.5.6.8, Highway, MRCD off, Cruise Alert Off, Autolocking Off, RL360 Wifi On, BT off.
Max 360c the same as above exception segment 4 turned off due to falsing habits. BTW if falsed twice on Ka, in seg 5 & 8.

Results:
First up was 35.5 in pouring rain, severe thunderstorm warnings. And the mosquitoes were really really bad.
3 runs for each band, course length 1.9 kms of straight stretch from antenna.
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Outstanding results for the Redline 360c. Strong and unbelievably consistent. Biggest % margin I've seen it pull yet.
Maybe the off axis or foliage or pouring rain gave it a chance to shine vs. 35.5 against the others, but whatever, today was a decisive and clean victory.
R7A 138 International firmware with an unusual advantage over it's twin on USA 137. I've never see such a gap. There are some runs with more traffic and rain but with the way I ran things the average should tell the tale.
R3 bests R7 on USA firmware! Unusual, usually 8-10% behind on the average.
DualPro 360, half the range of the Redline. I expected as much as foliage and off axis really punish the Max 360 platform like no others. More on this in opinions.
Max 360c - WTF? No words, until opinions section.

I was running on last run with an R7 back to antenna when I couldn't pick up a signal.
Drove right up to where the Max 360 was alerting before getting a hit.
Turns out 2 saboteurs messed with my antenna after getting off the school bus.
I made it obvious I was perturbed and switched out to 34.7 while they hightailed it down the road. Mom and Dad went for a "walk" after and asked me what that was. Radar I says, no further explanation required.
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34.7
After a time out for drying up the road and several tests to establish range, I got it right and it worked for 33.8 with only minor tweak.
Redline 360c the clear winner again, but by a much closer margin. Frequency? Weather? One of the two changing meant the R7A International was snapping at its heels.
R7A had the best 1 run score here.
R7B was respectable and consistent.
R3! WTH! Ties R7A International and bests R7B AGAIN! Never ever has this happened.
DualPro and Max 360c, Meh. Again with the inconsistent and poor off axis attenuated performance.

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33.8
So, will it be a triple crown for Redline 360c? Nope, Big Red handed the 33.8 smackdown
I sort of thought something was wrong, but it was repeatable and consistent, even waiting for zero traffic.
Redline just is not loving 33.8 like it does the other frequencies.
1st - R7A International sweeps the Uniden rankings by getting best in each frequency.
2nd - R3 beats R7B again, 3 for 3, getting second best Uniden of show.
3rd - R7B just the tiniest fraction behind R3
4th - RL360c obviously hasn't got the legs for 338 that it does on the others. I've seen this pattern now in 3 tests, where at 33.8 the Redline appears beatable. This was by a large margin.
5th - DualPro with a respectable 50% of best R7A. Easily besting the Max, with one hero run over a km away. I watched this closely, a good first alert, then dropped off until about the 450 meter mark, where if that was the first alert it still would have beat Max handily
Last place - Max 360c gets last place, in every single frequency range.

Final tally on the truck odometer after zeroing at the start of runs.
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Opinions:
This is where I let loose with my conspiracy theories and frustrations, elations and miseries.
Max 360c - Auction block for you buddy. This test makes it so apparent that the previous tests were valid in finding you the biggest underachiever I've ever seen.
If you run one of these, be aware that they offer decent range straight on, without foliage or terrain.
If you come around a corner on this heavily treed road or LEO comes around on to the straight and hits I/O, maybe even C/O, your toast,
Max can't detect through challenging terrain. Max is very inconsistent. Max is for sale tomorrow.

DualPro 360 - With a significant step up from MAx in performance 4 tests in a row, and at half the price here, I'll keep it and get it into the wifes new Subaru.
A bit more consistent, but displaying similar tendencies, this detector is an excellent city/urban detector. Highway okay for average Joe, but not speed demons.
Going out onto the open road and opening it up? Buy an extreme range series.

R3 - I added at the last minute because I've had it loaned out for months to a lady in Grande Prairie, who is now going to buy her own.
R3 stole the show today, besting R7B USA F137 on every test. Talk about bang for the buck. I enjoyed it today, an old friend who you forgot how much fun you had together.

R7B - The USA firmware 137, I will make a leap here. With comments that it seems the R7 has been losing some sensitivity on recent updates, I will theorize that is true.
R7A & R7B have always scored 1-2% of each other. Both of them were always 8-10% better than R3.
So now that I've loaded International firmware 138 (Beta) performance has picked back up to at least where I expect it in relation to other detectors scores.
USA F137 (and 135 seems to match 137 in tests) is hurting the Ka scores. I expected some hit to K Band, but Ka to take a hit? Not feeling warm and fuzzy about possible R7 downgrading performance for whatever reasons.
When I can simply load a different firmware and pick up significant gains, it's not a hardware issue.

R7A International F138 - I'm excited about the features to come in this version from @Mithheru.
While some stuff like the extra RL & Speed camera settings might not appeal to NA users as much, there will be many very useful ones. This will be the version I can say I wouldn't use USA version because it has everything I want and more. Including 3 independent K-blocks for Mazda CX-5 that have Off, On, & Weak options, plus to show or hide the blocks on the display.
Yes it has Auto Mute Memory.
Anyways, enough about the Beta International features, it will get it's own thread and Mithheru can do it more justice than i could.
In the end, R7A give the Redline a good run for it's money, swapping wins in 35.5 for 33.8 and close in 34.7.
Previous tests on USA 135 I had them even, so let's see hopefully this weekend another extensive K Band test and watch what F138 Int can do.

Redline 360c - My main threats here are 1: 34.7, 2: 35.5. 3: K band, 4: 33.8 is only when travelling far outside my zone, and still rare.
So it would be logical to say the R360c should be my main go to highway detector. It may just be so.
I ran it for some work trips before knowing these results, and I feel better now.
I wouldn't hesitate to make it a primary for my driving.
Do I trust it enough? No not yet. It's far too similar to the Maxes for me to trust it completely. I just need time with it.
Oh, and I need Escort to improve the utterly shitty reaction times to I/O shots.
I've given lots of examples plus videos of I/O that an R7 saved me but a Redline 360c probably wouldn't.
Split second decision making, I can't lose 1 or 2 seconds while a detector processes.
That said, it's hard knowing the extra range could make a difference too, picking up what others missed.
I would probably be all in if they just gave the option to change the Ka tone to something more urgent.
I want the first chirp to be no doubt to get on the binders.
Simply add to the audio files the Bel tones the Cobra uses, not even the voice file, just the tone!
What an easy upgrade!!

Anyways, time for bed.

I will load a few videos from work tomorrow, not a whole bunch as they do take time.
I will save them all, every run if any one requests to see them.
Videos I will post will probably be a few full course runs to show the road and ramp up etc.
Regards, DC.

EDIT: added VIDEOS here, later in the thread: https://www.rdforum.org/threads/111821/post-1617339

Awesome test, for the price Escort is charging the R360c better perform good, and it did especially on 35.5! Disappointing results for the 360c, and of course the Cobra shares the same architecture as the Max 360 so its results suffered a bit also, but it still did fine and we agree it has better tones than the Escort ones.

Now when your V1G2 arrives you need to test that 😈.
 

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Awesome testing! Would love to see how the new Max 3 would do on this course.
 

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Awesome testing! Would love to see how the new Max 3 would do on this course.
I had the Max 3 for some time before selling it.
It comes in less than R3, R7, and more than Max 360c & DualPro 360.
It's decent on range and would have been a great upgrade for the wife, but the firmware I had was a Ka falsing disaster.
Reaction and reactivity was horrible too IMO.
It's a good constant on detector and newer firmware was supposed to correct some of the falsing, with mixed reviews here.
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Thread 'DC Fluids' Twas the Night Before Christmas K & Ka Test!' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/106856/
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Thread 'DC Fluid's: All I Want For Christmas is This Ka Test!' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/106816/
 
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Hey Mithheru, your photo of your R7, was that in Dark mode or something? I like the looks of that. I Don't like the red, its why I haven't bought an R7 yet, but if you can make it black like that as an option, now that's nice. Thanks for your reply.
 

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Hey Mithheru, your photo of your R7, was that in Dark mode or something? I like the looks of that. I Don't like the red, its why I haven't bought an R7 yet, but if you can make it black like that as an option, now that's nice. Thanks for your reply.
The stock R7 allows you to customize the colors in many different ways. I dislike the red also and run mine with mainly white text. Easier for me to read.
 

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And I have to drive with two rd because uniden R3 can't handle Mrcd and laser !! until it gets new updates and the bugfixing is weak.
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This is never recommended, especially this close together. They can easily interfere with each other in abstract ways. Some RDs can make another false more and some can actually make another sleep. Search the forum for these conversations.
 

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Hey Mithheru, your photo of your R7, was that in Dark mode or something? I like the looks of that. I Don't like the red, its why I haven't bought an R7 yet, but if you can make it black like that as an option, now that's nice. Thanks for your reply.
That was on the standard display with the "Show K Blocks" option selected, with a Mazda frequency. In theory you could make an option on the menu to always make it display like that, but it's not on my to do list.
The stock R7 allows you to customize the colors in many different ways. I dislike the red also and run mine with mainly white text. Easier for me to read.
Its not something that seems to get covered much but running blue or white colour continuously will shorten your display lifetime resulting in burn out issues in the long term. I would recommend either Amber, Red or Green as these only require the lower energy states for the OLED.

At some point I will look into the display code for the compass settings etc. the white option is easier to read, but again thats the area my display will eventually have issues first.
 

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That was on the standard display with the "Show K Blocks" option selected, with a Mazda frequency. In theory you could make an option on the menu to always make it display like that, but it's not on my to do list.

Its not something that seems to get covered much but running blue or white colour continuously will shorten your display lifetime resulting in burn out issues in the long term. I would recommend either Amber, Red or Green as these only require the lower energy states for the OLED.

At some point I will look into the display code for the compass settings etc. the white option is easier to read, but again thats the area my display will eventually have issues first.
I always run Dark mode so I hope that burn in shouldn't be an issue even with the white display. But that is good info to have.
 

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We loved the BS/RDR Redline because of its speed and range. The M3 horn is still in the front of the RL360c but some form of processor is in the way. A firmware update released the beast in the original Redline when it was known as "Sleeping Beauty". Escort can do it again if they want to.
 

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