Falses...how bad are they really?

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How many of you out there care seriously about Falsing? I see so much talk about it. I've run V1 since the very beginning. I've always run in A mode. Yes, I have always seen certain area falses.....don't really care. Just tune it out as I have for 30 years. You can tell what's important and what's not. I embrace the picking up of the signal. Then I can judge. I run JBV1 on a tablet, Waze on CarPlay, V1G2. Even when I run just V1 without JBV1/Waze, I really don't have any worries.
 
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I suppose its a matter of personal tolerance to the noise!
At the moment I'm new and enthusiastic and want to know all that's going on.
As time goes on, I'll either get a headache and look at filtering or custom frequencies, or I'll
develop a tolerance.
I get where Michael Valentine is coming from where he disagrees with lockouts as something can be missed.
 

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The lockouts and stuff can be customized with the apps to the user's taste. I personally don't really care so much about filtering unless it was a pick up from own vehicle. If it is not a contestant drive me crazy thing that won't quit, Just curious of how many people are like me and want to judge pick up yourself and not sacrifice being in big L mode.
 

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I couldn't agree more. The odd brief false just reassures me that it's all working. But It does seem like some people are hyper sensitive to the merest beep. All I get now is a single beep until JBV1 mutes it, and still get a few beeps from Commodores BSM's. This is in A mode.
What I found intolerable was my Gen 1 constantly falsing to BSM's in my wife's car when TMF was off. Luckily TMF didn't have much effect on Redflex range so I could leave it on.
 

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Back in the V1-G1 days. "False" signals didn't bother me much till every new car had false K band alerts coming from them. Love how quite the new V1-G2 is compared to those days.

But there are trade offs on filtering etc. Longer K band alerts delays and possible missing of a K band signal. But a nice quite ride instead.

Am somewhat lucky there is only 3 K band unit used in town. One is the park districts Municipal Electronics K-4 and the city had a few MPH K15 K band stationary handhelds.
 
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Right....environment is the main thing. I drive 200 miles everyday round trip only highway with only a little city. But driving my everyday routes over the years, the door opener falses, the falses from normal city whatever, didn't seem to need to GPS to lock them out. So used to it, who cares. But that's just me.
 

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I couldn't agree more. The odd brief false just reassures me that it's all working. But It does seem like some people are hyper sensitive to the merest beep. All I get now is a single beep until JBV1 mutes it, and still get a few beeps from Commodores BSM's. This is in A mode.
What I found intolerable was my Gen 1 constantly falsing to BSM's in my wife's car when TMF was off. Luckily TMF didn't have much effect on Redflex range so I could leave it on.
Agreed! I ran with a 12year old V1G1(before filters, TMF and ESP) until last October. When I realized that I had driven 40 miles to work with only about 5 min of silence I figured that my personal filter needed a rest, so I bought a V1G2. Now that is quiet! I run A mode as I do my own filtering after the V1 has it's first crack at it.
 

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I agree they don't bother me that much (in the past and now) and with the new R7 firmware falses are very few (in my experience) and just assess as they come by frequency/strength and what type of cars I'm around. I usually only use my RD for highway trips so, I can see how falses can get annoying in a city/urban environment. That being said, I really never run an RD in a city/urban environment because (at least in my case) more often than not, I'm in traffic or stuck behind a slowpoke in the area I live.

P.S. Just saw that this is in the Valentine section so, too clarify are you only asking Valentine owners or everyone in general?
 
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Boy, I disagree with almost all of you. I run a R3, and 70% of my driving is with moderate to heavy traffic and the false K-band (BSM) alerts drive me crazy. With I/O in our area, you cannot take a brief alert as just a false alert. Not at +15 over the PS on the highways. In in the suburbs the locals will write you up for 48 in a 40 zone and some use K-band. Where I live K-band is still used, though every year there is less and less. Now under full disclosure, I often put my R3 in city mode which greatly limits K-band range and greatly reduces the BSM alerts. Oh and did I mention my better half complains every time the R3 goes off and there is no LEO in sight.
 

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I am a highway user. I live in the middle of a very big city and it takes me at least 20 miles to get clear of traffic, and K band polluters. There is also a high degree of likelihood of getting clocked by Lidar or I/O on my way out of town. So on my way out (& coming back in) I don't put the hammer down, I take it easy. Once clear, then, I put the hammer down. I mash my machine. And I run my V1G2 in "A" mode, X off. Laser & K on.
It really doesn't false very much. I do not use lockouts, don't feel I need them. Not many places to lock out on the open road anyway.
For me, my answer to your question is the falses are not bad.
 

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Right....environment is the main thing.

Yes, that's the key point. It realllllly depends on your driving conditions. With lower speeds, heavier traffic and the plague of BSMs it can get pretty intolerable in denser areas.

The V1G2 is certainly one of the best at rejecting falses. But for those with more signal pollution and/or instant-on K band to contend with, there's still room for improvement.

The passenger factor is definitely another consideration. A lone radar enthusiast might have a higher tolerance for falses, but a lot of significant others don't share the same appreciation for the hobby.

Overall, the better your police/not-police ratio of alerts, the quicker you'll react when it does go off. I've seen people here report tickets or near-misses where they ignored a K band alert until it was too late/almost-too-late.

But ultimately it comes down to the fact that either opinion, "problem" or "not a problem" could be valid depending on your particular circumstances.
 

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Boy, I disagree with almost all of you. I run a R3, and 70% of my driving is with moderate to heavy traffic and the false K-band (BSM) alerts drive me crazy. With I/O in our area, you cannot take a brief alert as just a false alert. Not at +15 over the PS on the highways. In in the suburbs the locals will write you up for 48 in a 40 zone and some use K-band. Where I live K-band is still used, though every year there is less and less. Now under full disclosure, I often put my R3 in city mode which greatly limits K-band range and greatly reduces the BSM alerts. Oh and did I mention my better half complains every time the R3 goes off and there is no LEO in sight.

Understand about 'the better half'. But with better range comes signals with no LEO around. Since they now can give alerts so far away compared to even models 10 years ago or less at times even.

I've gotten a alert then it goes silent. Then many miles down the road I run into the source. Or they are coming down a road I pass by and get a alert.

It's almost scary at times how good of a range these new units have. Compared to some of the first units I used back in the 70 / 80s. Wished I had one of these back then. (but it would have to cover S band and X)
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Boy, I disagree with almost all of you. I run a R3, and 70% of my driving is with moderate to heavy traffic and the false K-band (BSM) alerts drive me crazy. With I/O in our area, you cannot take a brief alert as just a false alert. Not at +15 over the PS on the highways. In in the suburbs the locals will write you up for 48 in a 40 zone and some use K-band. Where I live K-band is still used, though every year there is less and less. Now under full disclosure, I often put my R3 in city mode which greatly limits K-band range and greatly reduces the BSM alerts. Oh and did I mention my better half complains every time the R3 goes off and there is no LEO in sight.
I'm not crazy about the BSM alerts, but they are brief with the V1 as long as I don't linger near the source. In my daily routine V1 seems to have hit a sweetspot on the sensitivity to BSM. It's not uncommon for me to make it home with no alerts on the freeway. I do get x band in one place daily. I guess I'm too stubborn to turn x off or try lockouts. I can't say the same for my R1. It is much more sensitive to BSM. More testing is needed with actual police sources to see if that will pay dividends. So far, my V1G2 is quieter on the highway, yet sniffs out K further away.
 
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Back in the V1-G1 days. "False" signals didn't bother me much till every new car had false K band alerts coming from them. Love how quite the new V1-G2 is compared to those days.

I could not agree more! For a while, I was convinced my V1G1 was, in reality, just a BSM detector. In order to really appreciate the difference between a V1G1 abd V1G2, you just gotta spend an hour of road time.

I ran them side by side for 2,400 highway miles. What an incredible difference. Results here:

https://www.rdforum.org/threads/104766/#post-1511428

The dramatic increase in BSMs together with new technology reducing the "BSM detector" effect has also made Escort and Valentine Millions. But to me, its worth upgrading just to get rid of the annoyance.
 
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My wife doesn't mind the current level of falsing, the Gen 1 sometimes annoyed her when stuck behind a Coomodore or Honda laser falses.
She doesn't want a detector in her car, but I bet that changes when she gets pinged in the little rocket ship she has her heart set on.
 

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