[Poll] Is the Redline 360c worth $750?

Worth $750?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 18.4%
  • No

    Votes: 155 81.6%

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I already have an R7 and yes the Uniden update system needs an update. I also own an R3 and a V1G2. I don't use the V1 too much because I don't like having to run two apps on my phone at the same time to give me the protection I need. It's a great detector in NJ but not in NY.
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With my RL360c I keep the MRCD/CT detection turned off because all of the speed cams in NYC are in the Escort data base and their all in fixed locations. This keeps the detector quiet.
That is preferable in such a cluster like NYC.
R7 has database too, with custom Mithheru option.
In Alberta the Defender was ridiculously outdated or reported wrong.
R7 and HR app were very close match on accurate reporting.
No idea about NYC accuracy for any of them.
 

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The range is a generation ahead on the RL360C vs. the R7. It's repeatable, it's significant, and it translates to real world encounters. When I used the early example of one, I would have agreed with your statement. But thankfully for Redline owners, Escort has actually updated this unit at a much faster rate than Uniden has the R7, and it's paid off in performance. With the latest firmware, the RL360C is able to impress with range, so much so that the Uniden is left in the dust. Only the V1G2 competes with it.

With regards to the reactivity, YES they need to fix that. It's why I mentioned it, having said that, the Uniden needs to fix their reactivity issue as well (easy clutching those pearls there, Uniden fanboys). When it comes to weaker instant on signals, the reactivity of the Uniden is MUCH slower. Ironically, the RL360C (and V1G2) are faster with these.
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Why would you have to run two apps to get the protection you need?
Yea, still not buying but if it works for you, great! Trust me, if any escort product was the best option, I would have 5 for all of our cars. Simply put, it's not....Factor in the cost compared to other offerings that is more reliable, I'll take V1 and Uniden all day long. Just my opinion
 

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I think that's a little one sided and I would like to add my thoughts.
RL360: Range is fractionally better
BSM filtering is worse than R7 properly set up.
Auto and manual lockouts are a dangerous huge nukem approach leaving you very vunerable to K Band threats. R7 is very narrow and specific.
You can't back date firmware or install custom firmwares. R7 can.
MRCD works but is a falsing machine. R7 has excellent MRCD implementation.
MRCT / Gatso total fail for many. R7 works.
Has a sleeping issues, not as bad as Max 360 series. Also strange long delays to alert to K.

R7:
The above plus the display kills any Escort on size, information and visibility in light.
Customizable tones that are more distinct and easier to hear in loud environment.
Again, the range is more than fractionally better.

I completely disagree with BSM filtering being worse than an R7. I have used your settings and it's STILL noisier than the RL360C.

All GPS lockouts are dangerous (except for maybe the JBV1 approach, it's by far the best approach). The R7 lockouts just don't work very well and take far too long to work. I am two months in and I still have stationary sources that alert every single day. The RL360C had them gone within 2 days. My only complaint about the GPS lockouts on the RL360C is that sometimes it will briefly blurt out a full blast alert from a locked out signal (scares the crap out of me).

Having said that, the Dual Pro's GPS lockouts are terrible. I can't even tell if they are working. I am 2 weeks in using it and it hasn't locked out anything thus far (but it also alerts to far fewer K sources than anything else I run).
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Yea, still not buying but if it works for you, great! Trust me, if any escort product was the best option, I would have 5 for all of our cars. Simply put, it's not....Factor in the cost compared to other offerings that is more reliable, I'll take V1 and Uniden all day long. Just my opinion
The only detectors I've had to send in for repairs in the last 15 years of running pretty much all of the brands are my Unidens. I love both the R3 and R7 I own. I won't sell them and believe they are fantastic detectors, so don't take this as me hating on the Unidens. I am just trying to look at things with an open mind. I am not a huge fan of Escort, but I have to give them credit when they deserve credit.

The fact is, they have been updating the RL360C at a much faster rate than the R7 has been updated since the RL360C was release. The updates have been improving the product. I am actually quite surprised by this as I didn't think they would bother.

BTW, I also love my V1G2, it's amazed me more times than I can count.
 
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Having said that, the Dual Pro's GPS lockouts are terrible. I can't even tell if they are working. I am 2 weeks in using it and it hasn't locked out anything thus far (but it also alerts to far fewer K sources than anything else I run).
That's not good to hear, and not the experience I've had comparing Auto and Manual lockouts with several Escorts head to head. DP has been on par with same behavior as the Max 360 & (c), Max 3 and R360c.
Do you run Highway or Auto mode the most when doing the Autolocking?
I always have mine on highway because I'm not sure if the Auto mode lower alert levels let it pick up a signal and lock out?
I do not know if Escort counts a hidden Auto sensitivity signal as a hit or miss, versus alerting to it on Highway.
I could see the DP lower K alerts to sources perhaps making it miss a few passes where another catches it for lockout.

So many variables in the Escort lockouts. My R360c has been frequently beeping Autolockout notice in previously locked out areas for a while now. I don't know if it's refining the huge block everything first pass, or finding unlocking/relocking the same ones. At least it hasn't I/O blasted me with those like a few BSMs.
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I might add that while I voted no for the full retail price of the RL360c, I think it's an excellent detector to go head to head with the other big 2.
I think it was worth it for the 2/3 of Canadian retail price to get my hands on it.
That put it cheaper than a Max 360c here, which I also got for about 80% of retail, and don't think it was worth the cost.
 
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That's not good to hear, and not the experience I've had comparing Auto and Manual lockouts with several Escorts head to head. DP has been on par with same behavior as the Max 360 & (c), Max 3 and R360c.
Do you run Highway or Auto mode the most when doing the Autolocking?
I always have mine on highway because I'm not sure if the Auto mode lower alert levels let it pick up a signal and lock out?
I do not know if Escort counts a hidden Auto sensitivity signal as a hit or miss, versus alerting to it on Highway.
I could see the DP lower K alerts to sources perhaps making it miss a few passes where another catches it for lockout.

So many variables in the Escort lockouts. My R360c has been frequently beeping Autolockout notice in previously locked out areas for a while now. I don't know if it's refining the huge block everything first pass, or finding unlocking/relocking the same ones. At least it hasn't I/O blasted me with those like a few BSMs.
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I might add that while I voted no for the full retail price of the RL360c, I think it's an excellent detector to go head to head with the other big 2.
I think it was worth it for the 2/3 of Canadian retail price to get my hands on it.
That put it cheaper than a Max 360c here, which I also got for about 80% of retail, and don't think it was worth the cost.
I only use Highway.

One thing I did notice is I can't do a manual lock out on it either, by pressing the mute button on the cord anyhow.
 

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I only use Highway.

One thing I did notice is I can't do a manual lock out on it either, by pressing the mute button on the cord anyhow.
Yeah mine are ridiculously easy to lock out manually or Auto.
Something is wrong there, I would look into exchange if it isn't settings like lockouts turned off or GPS filter off.
Watch for Escort Live changing things without your input.
 

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Yeah mine are ridiculously easy to lock out manually or Auto.
Something is wrong there, I would look into exchange if it isn't settings like lockouts turned off or GPS filter off.
Watch for Escort Live changing things without your input.
I will check this out, I know for sure that lockouts are on, but maybe will do a factory reset and double check the settings.
 

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To the original OP.

Here are my thoughts. I have been saving money to get Theia since it was announced. That release is extremely late so I've saved up a decently large stash of "Theia money" that has since become generic CM money. I'm completely willing to spend that on anything that seems groundbreaking feature wise and become an early adopter to test and help work out bugs. I also don't mind dipping into it for a reasonably priced and useful CM --anything that gives me more of an edge-- as I have an actual need for performance CMs based on my driving habits.

Case in point, shortly after the first test results came out for the G2, I went to the CM stash and ordered me a V1G2 as it seemed like a great value proposition and something that would better keep me away from a road-side chat. Not only that but VR is a company that has a long history of customer service and a high-quality product and the results showed a detector that performed as well or better than anything on the market for a competitive price.

Then out comes the RL360c. It's not like I couldn't dip into the CM stash again and grab one and I seriously contemplated it, even if just for testing. But unlike the G2, the RL360c came out with an exorbitant price tag from a company with a track record of wildly inaccurate (some would say patently false) marketing claims. They proceeded to release a completely worthless video that @TonyPHX parodied, the detector came out and had all sorts of issues, the upper management of Cedar came on here to do damage control with patronizing videos and in the end, what are we left with? A product that is marginally better in certain performance areas and some features to other offerings and not groundbreaking in any way with the possible exceptions of it's meteoric price tag and new levels of hyperbolic marketing.

Escort has fixed most of the initial bugs but in their normal fashion, that will fall off rapidly as soon as they have a new headliner product. I'd love them to prove me wrong but this same cycle has repeated itself time and time again. They can't be trusted to break that cycle until it actually happens at least once.

The RL360c is worth about $550 but only if you don't run into I/O K band and only if it has some features you feel you need that differ from the R7 and G2. I feel I'm being generous with the extra $50 over the R7 and G2 but some like the wifi updating and the way Escort does autolockouts.

Is the RL360c a pretty good detector in it's current form? Sure. Is it worth it's price tag?


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@OBeerWANKenobi, exactly, my thoughts also.
I'd love to add it with my V1, R3 and DP360.
It would give me something more to play around with.
But definitely not worth $800. $750+the tax MAN.
 

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Yeah mine are ridiculously easy to lock out manually or Auto.
Something is wrong there, I would look into exchange if it isn't settings like lockouts turned off or GPS filter off.
Watch for Escort Live changing things without your input.
GPS Filter was Off for some reason. We will see if it's better now. Thanks a bunch!
 

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Voted NO. Everybody who bought it around here is extremely disappointed. Slow reactions and totally not capable of detecting Cordon M radars, which are actually 24.155ghz K band. A lot of false alerts too.
 

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I voted yes as it really is a good detector on many fronts. If they fix the i/o reaction time even better.

The main reason I voted yes though is because of all the detectors my wife has used, this is the only one she is happy with and I didn’t bother asking why. Happy wife, happy life 😃
 

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Stunning poll!
81% no.
Going to add my 2 cents once again.
Then I'll stick a Vortex sock in my mouth, clean one!
If I had never joined this forum and I was back looking for a RD, saw the Ads for the RL360C, bingo, that cart would have been filled, the buy button would have been pushed.
After receiving my RL360C and I threw that baby up on my Blendmount, I would have NEVER figured out all of the WRONG things supposedly with this RD.
This is exactly what I did when I received my 1st V1 in '95.
Went to alert, I slowed down.
I'm no where near close to being a true enthusiast as most of you are on here.
But after being here, no damn way I would spend $750+ on the RL360C.
$500, maybe, just too see if I liked it.
Escort can you read my lips, "No Damn Way"
Lower the price or MAKE it the best RD on the market for $750!!
 

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The range is a generation ahead on the RL360C vs. the R7. It's repeatable, it's significant, and it translates to real world encounters.
Some of your list seems a little “enlarged to show texture” but this one is interesting. I haven’t seen the repeatable test results that shows the RL360C despite its other attributes is significantly better much less “a generation ahead vs the R7” but maybe I’ve just overlooked it? I’ve never run or tested one myself as I couldn’t bring myself to cough up that kind of money.

PS Maybe if we had a second and a half K delay to the R7, then it might be super quiet to BSM?
 

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Some of your list seems a little “enlarged to show texture” but this one is interesting. I haven’t seen the repeatable test results that shows the RL360C despite its other attributes is significantly better much less “a generation ahead vs the R7” but maybe I’ve just overlooked it? I’ve never run or tested one myself as I couldn’t bring myself to cough up that kind of money.

PS Maybe if we had a second and a half K delay to the R7, then it might be super quiet to BSM?
I have posted numerous comparisons in the test forum. The R7, as good as it is, doesn't compete IMHO.
 

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Running both the R7’s and the RL360’s in different cars on an almost daily basis. I have to admit the RL360 range is incredible. Especially off-axis. There have been times where I was completely shocked that it picked up the LEO.
 

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I have posted numerous comparisons in the test forum. The R7, as good as it is, doesn't compete IMHO.
I’m happy to take you at your word that that’s your impression. But I just went back and reviewed those tests again and other than the one choppy course it seemed the R7 was either the same or marginally better or worse than the V1G2 and RL360C.
 

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I’m happy to take you at your word that that’s your impression. But I just went back and reviewed those tests again and other than the one choppy course it seemed the R7 was either the same or marginally better or worse than the V1G2 and RL360C.
Yeah, when you see clustering, that is typical. The key is to look at the tests where you can see separation. It also mirrors real world driving. The RL360C (and V1G2) really is a step above with regards to range. Also the reaction time isn't that bad when comparing performance on weak signals. I will be posting more on that in the near future once I get the instant on timing perfected across all guns.
 

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