Finished: Instant On Testing w/ 13 RD's on K Band

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Thanks Vortex. Very informative.

One suggestion - When the V1G2 gives you a surprise result you might want to dig out a V1G1 to compare. Could be interesting.
 

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Thanks Vortex. Very informative.

One suggestion - When the V1G2 gives you a surprise result you might want to dig out a V1G1 to compare. Could be interesting.
haha that was one of the most common requests. My V1 Gen1 has been out on loan to @ferius for a while so unfortunately I don't have it available to test with. I would have included it otherwise.
 

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Just finished up watching, very interesting results.
Looking like some of the MORE expensive ones need to up their game just a little!
I guess I'll get my R3 back in action. LOL
@Vortex, thanks again for another great video.
 

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haha I also found out today that the Max 3 alerts to the TSS, but not the Road Scout... I had to grab another gun to trigger the Road Scout this morning while out testing.
 

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I don't have anything of value to say beyond what everyone else had said. I just want to say thanks for the incredible testing and content you put out. It's much appreciated!
 

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Outbraking IO is tough. Possible, yes, but tough.

Ideally we want every advantage possible, sure, but I’d personally rank things like sensitivity and BSM filtering higher than IO responsiveness, no?
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I couldn’t agree more! For me that’s it, 100%, but I know we all have diff wants.
 

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My own thought on IO reaction time is that if you are lit up at point blank range , IE within line of sight of the cop or are happen to be the lead or the lone car being shot by IO radar at very close range then you are history .I find it hard to believe that a time delta between 0.30 and 0.80 sec matters at all. This delta is measurable using stop watches so we know there is a delta present but in relation to eye, ear, brain foot reaction time I just dont think it matters when the time delta is this tight. A human can only react so fast to what has been seen or heard..
The Idea is to pick up IO from a long distance before you enter the danger zone
Just my thoughts on this

Vortex thanks for all you do !!!
 
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My own thought on IO reaction time is that if you are lit up at point blank range , IE within line of sight of the cop or are happen to be the lead or the lone car being shot by radar at very close range then you are history .I find it hard to believe that a time delta between 0.30 and 0.80 sec matters at all. This delta is measurable using stop watches so we know there is a delta present but in relation to eye, ear, brain foot reaction time I just dont think it matters when the time delta is this tight. A human can only react so fast to what has been seen or heard..
The Idea is to pick up IO from a long distance before you enter the danger zone
Just my thoughts on this
I concur 100%
 

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My own thought on IO reaction time is that if you are lit up at point blank range , IE within line of sight of the cop or are the lone car being shot by radar at very close range then you are history .I find it hard to believe that a time delta between 0.30 and 0.80 sec matters at all. Its measurable using stop watches so we know there is a measurable delta but in relation to eye, ear, brain foot reaction time I just dont think it matters when the time delta is this tight. Just my thoughts on this
You are right, in that situation, as long as it alerts within a second or so, it won't matter much, unless you are able to get on the brakes before they can acquire a speed. There are situations where they won't get a track on your speed right away.

I think the bigger issue the advanced users are worried about here is the ability to pick up I/O being used on other cars well ahead of you. This is your best chance at defeating the practice. That's why it's so important to test the I/O response to weaker signals. If you don't get that advanced warning, and the signal was within range of your detector, but the transmission was brief enough, there's a problem. You are effectively giving up your best chance at defeating the I/O tactic.

Just to repeat, your best chance at beating I/O is to have another car ahead of you being targeted and your detector having both enough range and enough reactivity to alert to the brief I/O signal. Your detector needs both to be effective. Ironically, some of the best performers in the tests in this thread are far worse at reacting to this exact threat, either because they don't have enough sensitivity or have the ability to react to the brief and weak signal.
 

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Yeah I love the idea of doing some weak I/O testing. That's likely more helpful in terms of avoiding tickets and adds some additional info that we don't get from strong I/O testing. It's otherwise easy to write this off as "Who cares how fast the RD is? Just like with laser, by the time your RD goes off, the officer already has your speed!" I get that.

It'd be cool to fire off a series of shots with each detector while parked at different distances away to test with weak shots. My thoughts with doing this are:

1) Stationary tests are the easiest way to do this under controlled and repeatable conditions, but detectors with GPS may behave differently when stationary vs. while moving.

2) Moving tests would be more realistic. Just gotta find a way to trigger the radar gun when the detectors are all in the same spots. Maybe with a phone/walkie talkie and the driver of the RD car telling the radar gun operator when to fire?

3) Different radar detectors have different levels of sensitivity so something that may be a weak shot for 1 detector / filtering mode may be a strong shot for another.

That said, after spending the last month focused on this strong I/O test, I'm a little burned out and wanna move onto something else for a bit, lol.
 

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Yeah I love the idea of doing some weak I/O testing. That's likely more helpful in terms of avoiding tickets and adds some additional info that we don't get from strong I/O testing. It's otherwise easy to write this off as "Who cares how fast the RD is? Just like with laser, by the time your RD goes off, the officer already has your speed!" I get that.

It'd be cool to fire off a series of shots with each detector while parked at different distances away to test with weak shots. My thoughts with doing this are:

1) Stationary tests are the easiest way to do this under controlled and repeatable conditions, but detectors with GPS may behave differently when stationary vs. while moving.

2) Moving tests would be more realistic. Just gotta find a way to trigger the radar gun when the detectors are all in the same spots. Maybe with a phone/walkie talkie and the driver of the RD car telling the radar gun operator when to fire?

3) Different radar detectors have different levels of sensitivity so something that may be a weak shot for 1 detector / filtering mode may be a strong shot for another.

That said, after spending the last month focused on this strong I/O test, I'm a little burned out and wanna move onto something else for a bit, lol.
I don't think that moving I/O is necessary during testing. I think the source car can remain in the same location.

I test alone right now, but I have some ideas I've been playing with to get some meaningful results. For example, instead of testing the delay from transmit to alert, I am more interested in testing shorter bursts (I think a typical I/O shot is 2-3 seconds, but I am all for testing below that) at longer ranges and see which ones will alert and which ones will fail.
 

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I concur 100%
My own thought on IO reaction time is that if you are lit up at point blank range , IE within line of sight of the cop or are happen to be the lead or the lone car being shot by IO radar at very close range then you are history .I find it hard to believe that a time delta between 0.30 and 0.80 sec matters at all. This delta is measurable using stop watches so we know there is a delta present but in relation to eye, ear, brain foot reaction time I just dont think it matters when the time delta is this tight. A human can only react so fast to what has been seen or heard..
The Idea is to pick up IO from a long distance before you enter the danger zone
Just my thoughts on this

Vortex thanks for all you do !!!
agree 100%. by then it's honestly a roll of the dice... but, these detectors are so sensitive, in my case the RL360C, that picking these blasts up, from cars up ahead, is not even a concern. mine has been an absolute beast at that!

now if i could just whine enough to cure some of the bsm breakthru blasts, and a little tweaking of the ramp-up audio/visual...i would shutup and never complain about pricetag or anything, for what i need.
 

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I don't think that moving I/O is necessary during testing. I think the source car can remain in the same location.
For that my mind goes to Escort's auto mode. The filtering is super aggressive when stationary or moving at parking lot speeds. You can be pointed right at a door opener and the detector will be dead silent. For that reason, I'm thinking a detector may filter out a weak I/O shot when stationary whereas it could alert to the same signal when moving at 35 mph or whatever.

We could always test in Highway mode to avoid that, but I do like the idea of testing in the modes that I normally drive with, you know? IIRC, K band sensitivity is somewhat reduced in Auto Mode even at highway speeds.
I test alone right now, but I have some ideas I've been playing with to get some meaningful results. For example, instead of testing the delay from transmit to alert, I am more interested in testing shorter bursts (I think a typical I/O shot is 2-3 seconds, but I am all for testing below that) at longer ranges and see which ones will alert and which ones will fail.
Yeah 3'ish seconds should be sufficient, especially with what I've seen from my latest I/O testing.

So long as you've got a way to reliably trigger exactly 3 sec shots (just to better control the testing conditions), that could be a good way of doing it.
 

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For that my mind goes to Escort's auto mode. The filtering is super aggressive when stationary or moving at parking lot speeds. You can be pointed right at a door opener and the detector will be dead silent. For that reason, I'm thinking a detector may filter out a weak I/O shot when stationary whereas it could alert to the same signal when moving at 35 mph or whatever.

We could always test in Highway mode to avoid that, but I do like the idea of testing in the modes that I normally drive with, you know? IIRC, K band sensitivity is somewhat reduced in Auto Mode even at highway speeds.

Yeah 3'ish seconds should be sufficient, especially with what I've seen from my latest I/O testing.

So long as you've got a way to reliably trigger exactly 3 sec shots (just to better control the testing conditions), that could be a good way of doing it.
I think I have the method of triggering the shots down.

When I am saying the source car is stationary, I am saying the radar is stationary.

For testing the different modes on the pesky Escort detectors either you can spoof the GPS or I suggest turning off GPS filtering and then Auto mode will just be like the old Auto mode on pre-GPS detectors.
 

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I think I have the method of triggering the shots down.

When I am saying the source car is stationary, I am saying the radar is stationary.
Yeah radar car stationary is typical. I thought you meant radar detector car since that's usually the one that's moving. :)
For testing the different modes on the pesky Escort detectors either you can spoof the GPS or I suggest turning off GPS filtering and then Auto mode will just be like the old Auto mode on pre-GPS detectors.
Do you think those results would be comparable to the results of auto mode while driving? I'm all for controlling conditions and adjusting settings for testing, but ideally I'd want the test results to be reflective of what we'll experience in real life.
 

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Yeah radar car stationary is typical. I thought you meant radar detector car since that's usually the one that's moving. :)

Do you think those results would be comparable to the results of auto mode while driving? I'm all for controlling conditions and adjusting settings for testing, but ideally I'd want the test results to be reflective of what we'll experience in real life.
I will spoof the GPS on some and test this.
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I will spoof the GPS on some and test this.
Actually I think there's a better way for this. I think we can link the trigger to a vehicle location.
 
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@Vortex, can you please explain if a RD has GPS compared to a non GPS RD, how would this effect your testing if they are stationary?
Always up for learning something new.
Thanks.
 

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@Vortex, can you please explain if a RD has GPS compared to a non GPS RD, how would this effect your testing if they are stationary?
Always up for learning something new.
Thanks.
Sure, I gave an example a few posts earlier.


I know @DC Fluid has mentioned (and tested?) this as well. I don't have a link handy to his tests, but he's mentioned this behavior before in previous posts.

 

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