Finished: Instant On Testing w/ 13 RD's on K Band

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Update: Full video is now complete.


Sorry for all the threads on the topic, but I've finally finished up with the K band IO tests results. I've shared the preliminary results already, but I wasn't fully satisfied with it because I was mixing different power cables. The V1 looked to be the only detector that was affected by an Escort smartcord so I did some K band bench testing with it. Earlier this week I met up with @YelloEye again and we redid the K band runs with manufacturer cables and I'm going to add in those results here. I saw something kinda weird in those results so I went out this morning yet again to do even more V1 testing and now after all that, I'm finally ready to start sharing the results, lol...

Since we've already discussed a lot of this in the preliminary test results thread, for this one I'm going to focus more on what I saw after adding in the additional results.

K Band IO Complete Test Results.png


Uniden R7:
No difference with Escort or Uniden cable.

Uniden R3:
Results were a hair slower with the Uniden cable, but still very close. I'd image that's within run-to-run variation.
(Note: Results precision is within 0.03 - 0.06 sec, based on exactly how I marked things in the video.)

Uniden DFR8:
No difference with the Escort or Uniden cable.
TSF does affect responsiveness with the DFR8, but not the R series.

Radenso XP:
Same ballpark results, but again slightly slower with Radenso cable instead of Escort.
That's a little odd, but like with the R3, I think I'd chalk it up to run-to-run variation.
Initial alerts were around 3-5 out of 9, but otherwise ramped up fairly quickly. It never gave an immediate full tilt alert.

Valentine 1 Gen2:
Results were more consistent with the V1 cable compared to the Escort cable.
I tested in A, l, and L mode and A mode was about 0.3 sec faster than l or L mode. This really surprised me since A and l modes should perform the same. All l mode does is mute weak signals. There's otherwise no performance difference. I even went back to doublecheck and reread the V1 Gen2 manual which confirms this too. There's also additional safeguards for I/O shots to specifically punch through different filters so what's going on with that?

Looking back through my bench testing, A mode typically alerted around 1 sec which is comparable to how the other modes did while driving.

V1 Gen 2 Bench K IO Strong A Mode.png


V1 Gen 2 Bench K IO Weak A Mode.png


So usually about a second, maybe a little slower, maybe even faster, but generally around a second.

Maybe things were different on the road? I went back out this morning and did some I/O testing again on the road, shooting the Falcon HR from hundreds of feet away like before.

V1 Gen 2 Parked K IO Testing A Mode.png


Yet again, the results were all around 1 sec, maybe a hair faster.

So overall I'd rate the V1 as taking about 1 sec to go off. There is a little run-to-run variation here then, just like I saw with other detectors. Sometimes it's faster, sometimes slower, but those are my results after doing 5 different V1 IO tests, 4 of which used a V1 cable, lol.

Overall Conclusions:

The R series is a beast. It dominated on both K and Ka. When it comes to IO, the R series is the king.

DFR8 slows things down. Pretty good with TSF off, but slower with TSF on.

Batman detector did pretty well, but that's with zero K band filtering so...

Pro M did best with TS Rej Off or Low. High does slow things down.

XP is also affected by TSR. Rampup was inaccurate regardless of power cable.

RMR Judge gave terrible results, especially from behind. Heavy delays from rear with TSR off and no rear alert at all with TSR on.

CR97 does better with TFSR off than on. Running with it off is best for IO.

V1 Gen2 takes ~1 sec to alert. Using a V1 cable is recommended over an Escort cable. L mode does filter out weak signals, but otherwise the different modes are comparable to IO.

Redline 360c had a very poor showing, turning in bottom of the barrel results. R7 beats V1 beats RL360c.

Max 360c did better than RL360c and the V1. When looking at fully filtered results, only the R series beat it. Pro M edged it out if you count TS Rej Low.

Finally the Road Scout was a turd. 3-5 sec delays from the front and no alert from the rear. What's scary is that if the Road Scout and Judge weren't in the lineup, the Max 3 and RL360c would come in last place. Wow...
 
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Thanks for testing and showing the crazy results especially the new super duper expensive Redline!!
 

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Thanks for testing and showing the crazy results especially the new super duper expensive Redline!!
Yeah I'm feeling really let down by the RL360c right now. The Max 3 and Road Scout did very poorly too. We can always hope for a future update to fix this, but it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place IMHO.

Now that I've finally finished compiling the results, I sent the data over to Escort and I'm going to start working on the videos. I'm thinking of doing one for the Ka retest and then a second going over all the K band results. On that note, time to trim my scruffy beard again and go set up the camera, lol.
 

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Thanks guys for all your hard work and testing!
 

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Yeah I'm feeling really let down by the RL360c right now. The Max 3 and Road Scout did very poorly too. We can always hope for a future update to fix this, but it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place IMHO.

Now that I've finally finished compiling the results, I sent the data over to Escort and I'm going to start working on the videos. I'm thinking of doing one for the Ka retest and then a second going over all the K band results. On that note, time to trim my scruffy beard again and go set up the camera, lol.

Is the R7 going back up on the windshield as the daily, replacing the RL360C? Thank y'all for all your hard work. It's nice to see results from tests like this. I chose the R7 at the end of last year due to cost and initial issues with the RL360C and test like these and the release of 1.35 make me happy I did. Now if we could just get the arrows fixed.
 

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@Vortex and @YelloEye - again, great testing! Thanks for your time, effort and $$. Interesting to see the V1G2 result in A mode vs l mode. Wouldn't have expected it.
 

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Begs the question that maybe VR does add a slight bias to 'A' reaction time on K band?
Also, Even though V1 is slower than the R series detectors, the fact that R's are more chatty kind of cancels out the difference for me. Personally, even though I face legit K regularly, I would not switch to an R just to maybe catch a QT vs having to deal with more falses.
 

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Has anyone tested Unidens cable with the G2? I wonder if it would prefer +/- to the Escort or V1 cable.
 

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Has anyone tested Unidens cable with the G2? I wonder if it would prefer +/- to the Escort or V1 cable.
I've tested with the G1 which I'd assume is the same.


It powers the detector, remote alert LED is weird, and remote mute works.
 

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I've tested with the G1 which I'd assume is the same.


It powers the detector, remote alert LED is weird, and remote mute works.
Wait.. your telling me I can do this! HA! this is sick.. The only problem is getting the G2 to stick to the frits.. any ideas?
 

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@Vortex and @YelloEye - again, great testing! Thanks for your time, effort and $$. Interesting to see the V1G2 result in A mode vs l mode. Wouldn't have expected it.
Yeah I really wonder how it'd look if we did a bunch of shots in every mode. For example, here's the more complete look at strong IO shots when bench testing:

V1 Gen 2 Bench K IO Strong Shots.png


All in the same ballpark. Logic and Adv Logic both technically managed two shots down in the 7's while All Bogeys didn't, but I think it's all ultimately within just run-to-run variation overall and I wouldn't say A is slower than l or L.
 

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Is the R7 going back up on the windshield as the daily, replacing the RL360C?
I'm seriously contemplating it, yeah. My R7 fell off my WS earlier this week (suction cup failure) and hit the dash hard. There was a rattle inside afterwards and I opened it up to find a broken piece of the clip that holds on the display cover. I'm going through the repair process now to give it a checkup and be extra safe, but I am thinking of taking down the RL360c as the daily. I'd love to run the V1, but I can't get it to do what I want as an iOS owner.
 

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Sorry for all the threads on the topic,
WHAT?? Are you Canadian or something? Quit apologizing for feeding our addiction! We like it!

The R series is a beast. It dominated on both K and Ka. When it comes to IO, the R series is the king.
Agreed on what I 've seen, really no weakness on any band or filtering combinations.

Pro M did best with TS Rej Off or Low. High does slow things down.
Back to the wife's detector to make adjustments! LOL.

V1 Gen2 takes ~1 sec to alert. Using a V1 cable is recommended over an Escort cable. L mode does filter out weak signals, but otherwise the different modes are comparable to IO.
While not ideal, better than the Redline, while acing Ka tests make this next best to R Series against I/O??

Redline 360c had a very poor showing, turning in bottom of the barrel results.
This is what I've seen, and have been crying wolf, to a real wolf, and now somebody may believe me??
Feeling butt hurt everytime I think of the price.

Max 360c did better than RL360c and the V1. When looking at fully filtered results, only the R series beat it. Pro M edged it out if you count TS Rej Low.
Feeling better about Max series as range is decent and reaction times are very good.
Even better feeling about the DualPro 360 and this performance for way less dollars.

What's scary is that if the Road Scout and Judge weren't in the lineup, the Max 3 and RL360c would come in last place.
This is why I sold the Max 3 asap, seen these issues plus many more. The value wasn't there and wasn't a viable upgrade for anyone I knew.

Yeah I'm feeling really let down by the RL360c right now.
Yup, I'm heading to the cabinet right now for some Gaviscon.

the fact that R's are more chatty
With the R7 on firmware 135 I don't believe the reputation is valid anymore.
It quite noticeably has better BSM filtering than the Redline 360c and Max 360c and DualPro 360.
However stationary door openers the R7 is still very sensitive to, which requires knowledgeable lock out technic.
The Escorts can lock out very easily and make the appearance of quieter, when really all that is happening is stronger lockout execution.
BSM is now advantage R7 in my woods.
Settings and environment definitely make the difference, if you want to set up an R7 to be K Wide or Extended, K Blocks off, TSF off, Highway mode all the time, then you're going to get noise.
With such excellent results one shouldn't be afraid of using all the filtering tools in the R7 tool box.


Vortex, thanks for this really technical and in-depth testing.
I'm looking forward to many more to come.
 

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Once again @Vortex and @YelloEye for taking the time and testing out the RD'S most people will be buying or all ready own.
I'm really glad that I stayed away from the RL.
Far more money than I would want to spend on an RD and not have performance of a detector a 3rd of its price.
 

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I'm seriously contemplating it, yeah. My R7 fell off my WS earlier this week (suction cup failure) and hit the dash hard. There was a rattle inside afterwards and I opened it up to find a broken piece of the clip that holds on the display cover. I'm going through the repair process now to give it a checkup and be extra safe, but I am thinking of taking down the RL360c as the daily. I'd love to run the V1, but I can't get it to do what I want as an iOS owner.
I really really didn't want to take it down, and the range is superb.
I want my monies worth damn it!
I don't have a problem pulling out the R7 at any time, I really trust both of mine.
 

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I'm seriously contemplating it, yeah. My R7 fell off my WS earlier this week (suction cup failure) and hit the dash hard. There was a rattle inside afterwards and I opened it up to find a broken piece of the clip that holds on the display cover. I'm going through the repair process now to give it a checkup and be extra safe, but I am thinking of taking down the RL360c as the daily. I'd love to run the V1, but I can't get it to do what I want as an iOS owner.
Here's my advice to the suction cup issue.

1. Take the whiteish suction cups that come with the R7, throw them in the trash. They are pure garbage.

2. Steal the black suction cups from the R3 and use those (or grab your giant V1 cups from one of your V1 packages) and use them.

3. Enjoy over a year of no falling off the windshield :)
 

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Here's my advice to the suction cup issue.

1. Take the whiteish suction cups that come with the R7, throw them in the trash. They are pure garbage.

2. Steal the black suction cups from the R3 and use those (or grab your giant V1 cups from one of your V1 packages) and use them.

3. Enjoy over a year of no falling off the windshield :)
Oh I'd be happy doing that, but my R3 suction cups keep failing too. Constantly mounting and unmounting is hard on suction cups... I keep going through suction cups and trying to grab the ones that look used the least.
 

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I'm seriously contemplating it, yeah. My R7 fell off my WS earlier this week (suction cup failure) and hit the dash hard. There was a rattle inside afterwards and I opened it up to find a broken piece of the clip that holds on the display cover. I'm going through the repair process now to give it a checkup and be extra safe, but I am thinking of taking down the RL360c as the daily. I'd love to run the V1, but I can't get it to do what I want as an iOS owner.
Do you not like running a second phone for the G2? I'm shocked. For me the Escort price taga to get a 360c is far to pricey for me. On top of it being escort 😁
 

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