Does Radenso Theia support X Band?

Radenso Theia should eliminate detection of X-band police radars in its specifications.

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So will Theia detect S band?
Naaa S band is now our 2.4 gig wifi band. Hardly anyone uses X band yet even. Only seen one X band unit in the last 5 years. I use to run into one X band unit on trips to Port Clinton, Ohio. (been 5 years since a trip there to the CMP) But there is always a chance to see one out in the wild. Though a friend had / has a old S band unit that still works. ( at least the last time we fired it up.) Ok back to the main Theia subject. Take care - Be safe Spin
 
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"I think you are seeing the final days of X band in detectors."

If this happens - it will be the second 'police radar band' that has disappeared during my 'detector' days. The first would have been the S band. Which today is our 2.4 gig wifi band. I kind of miss the old X band days. Most modern detectors would give a warning for miles of the CMI Magnum being used north by a village north of me.

(There isn't much if any use of X band around here. There is still one old CMI Magnum in our county. Only comes out to be recertified once a year. It's the back up for a local village. Guessing it will be fully retired when the old Police Chief retires.)

Take care


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I sold on EBay a CMI HH Magnum xband to a small village police dept 20 years ago. Chief wanted a simple no thrills radar gun for back up. I think it was Ashley?? Some village that started with "A"!!!
 

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Idea: How difficult would it be to manufacture a small, simple X-band only Radar Detector? Product name: "X gap". No need for sophisticated signal-processing. No false alerts from Blind Spot Monitoring systems operating in the K-Band.

X-gap by Radenso. Could be inexpensive to manufacture with a "patch antenna". It should be light and small. Even a conventional horn/microstrip antenna design would be tiny. With a single microstrip--in the horn antenna assembly--stealth should be doable.

Remember the Uniden 9XL? Smaller than the Radenso Pro M.
Width (2.25")-(Pro M 2.44") -- Length (3.5")-(Pro M 3.6") -- Height (0.75")-(Pro M 1.3")

X-gap would not be heavily promoted. The branding would feature "X-gap" prominently with "by Radenso" in small script.
Price: $199.00 or less. Not a big seller but the cost of manufacture would be offset
So you want X eliminated from a new RD, creating the need for another new RD which is sold at cost? Not gonna happen.
 

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So you want X eliminated from a new RD, creating the need for another new RD which is sold at cost? Not gonna happen.

Yep, eliminate X-band and Leo lines up for their shift, okay boys lets bring out those old guns and we'll have donutfest out there today.
 

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Yep, eliminate X-band and Leo lines up for their shift, okay boys lets bring out those old guns and we'll have donutfest out there today.
Back in 2003 I knew a small dept in Utah which annually sent their X gun for recalibration. I'm sure it's gone now, but it wouldn't surprise me if other departments do the same. I'm old school, X is active on my RDs. Signals are usually weak and short. I'll pay attention to a lingering alert. I'm ok with it.
 

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Back in 2003 I knew a small dept in Utah which annually sent their X gun for recalibration. I'm sure it's gone now, but it wouldn't surprise me if other departments do the same. I'm old school, X is active on my RDs. Signals are usually weak and short. I'll pay attention to a lingering alert. I'm ok with it.

I'm originally from X-band County, New Jersey.
I'm in Florida now with X off but you know damn well any trip back home X will definitely be absolutely back on.
Hey, you never know.
 

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Radenso Theia will be superior in its form-factor (physical stealth) if it does not include detection of X-band police radars. The 10.525 GHz frequency radars are "virtually" obsolete.

The roughly 21 million inhabitants of NJ and OH might disagree. They frequently face X.

Given that Theia was introduced on November 5, 2019, some 18 months ago,


and is still has no firm release date, don't you think its just a wee bit speculative to say that it is much more than vaporware? Moreover, IMHO, suggesting that it will be "superior" is, at this juncture, wishful thinking. But we can all wish...right? :)

Besides, if its as smart as all of the hype, it should be able to recognize real X radar from all of the X noise, right?
 
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Just so you know... Being a radar enthusiast.. there really is a list of guns that are allowed for use by law enforcement from the NHTSA.

You can even see what guns are allowed... but no longer in production.... many not even serviceable.


22 are X band... but everyone of them are no longer in production.

As of January 2020 the are zero, zip, nada X band guns currently in production.

Some of you question "How will Radenso be able to adapt to new guns?" Well they have a long road of approvals to get on this list... so there are no surprises.

Same with... "How do they know what guns that RAI has to be trained against?".. well there's a list. These are the guns approved. They only have to train for these and recognize these guns.

So you can see... there are some around, but as time goes on, and departments can no longer service their guns, or even get parts, your more and more less likely to see them.


So before you claim this proves a point of not needing X Band..... this is a list for the US. If you want to be a global player.... you've got to look at the bigger picture.

Some countries use Bushnells for enforcement
 

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The roughly 21 million inhabitants of NJ and OH might disagree. They frequently face X.
No, they don’t, but I think we’ve learned to expect that kind of thing from you. Only a small subsection of then encounter X-band ever, and a tiny fraction “frequently” encounter it. It may not yet be gone entirely, but it’s by no means ubiquitous.

don't you think its just a wee bit speculative to say that it is much more than vaporware? Moreover, IMHO, suggesting that it will be "superior" is, at this juncture, wishful thinking.
I realize you’ve managed to evade a vendor tag of your own so far, but you’ve spent so much of your career here trolling Radenso.

Besides, if its as smart as all of the hype, it should be able to recognize real X radar from all of the X noise, right?
Yes. We don’t have any problem there. The thinking behind leaving off X-band in some theoretical future model is to allow for a unit (whether mounted remotely or to the windshield) to be far smaller and and much better optimized for K and Ka while also being simpler and cheaper.

However, as @Heywood pointed out, we may or may not see that depending on whether there’s a good enough business case for it. I guess we’ll see.
 

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No, they don’t, but I think we’ve learned to expect that kind of thing from you.

So much hate and intolerance.
The notion that NJ and OH drivers don't face X is just ignoring the facts. X is a threat in NJ and OH. To ignore it is just asking for trouble. Ignoring may be your prerogative, but please, don't be spreading mis-information. Here is a verified post from @Mushin as of 2020. (I guess you know more than he does).


Oh....and I guess this source must also be wrong:


Oh, and I guess this report from @ALS is also wrong:

"Ohio is still using X Band because I saw a OSP nail a Civic two weeks ago using X band. If you run I-70 you'll see lots of X Band used by OSP."


I guess you know more than everybody else. My goodness. Go hate on someone else. You just look foolish.
 
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I'm originally from New Jersey, live in sunny Florida now.
I've have stated my feelings about X-band on here.
If they started selling RD's w/o X-band and I return to NewJersey I'm certainly not and wouldn't not use any of those RD's.
How about they start selling Rd's w/o K band?
Some parts of the country don't use this either.
 

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I don't really see what the controversy is here. If people want a detector that detects all bands, they will buy one that detects all bands. There are plenty of good detectors that do that, and Theia was designed to detect X band so this thread could have been answered and over with in the first few posts.

Likewise, if people want a detector that excels in KA and K band in a very powerful way at the expense of X band, they can buy that detector. I have zero doubt future flagship detectors from Escort will take this route - they already started this with the rear horn on the Redline 360C dropping X band support and they got ZERO FLAK OR COMPLAINTS. That was a test, and a successful one since the community allowed it without kicking and screaming. Once one company drops it, everyone else will likely have to follow suit with a similar model to remain competitive - the difference in performance and price is that large. But it's not like that will be the only detector companies sell...there are plenty of choices out there.

Nobody is forcing anything on anyone here, so arguing about it is just kind of shouting into the void.
 

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So much hate and intolerance.
The notion that NJ and OH drivers don't face X is just ignoring the facts. X is a threat in NJ and OH. To ignore it is just asking for trouble. Ignoring may be your prerogative, but please, don't be spreading mis-information. Here is a verified post from @Mushin as of 2020. (I guess you know more than he does).


Oh....and I guess this source must also be wrong:


Oh, and I guess this report from @ALS is also wrong:

"Ohio is still using X Band because I saw a OSP nail a Civic two weeks ago using X band. If you run I-70 you'll see lots of X Band used by OSP."


I guess you know more than everybody else. My goodness. Go hate on someone else. You just look foolish.
Just submit to the cult and he will.
 

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You’re dramatically overestimating the “A LOT” part. There are occasional whispers of unicorns with only one or two people who actually claim any kind of regularity of X-band encounters.
Can't attest to ohio, but not sure you've driven the NJTPK much, with this statement
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I don't really see what the controversy is here. If people want a detector that detects all bands, they will buy one that detects all bands. There are plenty of good detectors that do that, and Theia was designed to detect X band so this thread could have been answered and over with in the first few posts.

Likewise, if people want a detector that excels in KA and K band in a very powerful way at the expense of X band, they can buy that detector. I have zero doubt future flagship detectors from Escort will take this route - they already started this with the rear horn on the Redline 360C dropping X band support and they got ZERO FLAK OR COMPLAINTS. That was a test, and a successful one since the community allowed it without kicking and screaming. Once one company drops it, everyone else will likely have to follow suit with a similar model to remain competitive - the difference in performance and price is that large. But it's not like that will be the only detector companies sell...there are plenty of choices out there.

Nobody is forcing anything on anyone here, so arguing about it is just kind of shouting into the void.
i don't understand the controversy as well, and i'm sure X will eventually go away. but i do think it's obvious why there wouldn't be flak over a rear X antenna being dropped, as that's just about arrows, and not about being totally blind to X.
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Given that Theia was introduced on November 5, 2019, some 18 months ago,

and is still has no firm release date, don't you think its just a wee bit speculative to say that it is much more than vaporware? Moreover, IMHO, suggesting that it will be "superior" is, at this juncture, wishful thinking. But we can all wish...right? :)

Besides, if its as smart as all of the hype, it should be able to recognize real X radar from all of the X noise, right?
I never want to hate on something that in all honesty, i could end up owning and loving...but i have to agree with this statement. and honestly to think that ANY detector is not going to false, and has no need for gps lockouts etc etc... ummmm
 
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There is a lot of x-band in Eastern Europe, Russia and possibly other places that may be interested in Theia.
It will probably be a lot cheaper than any possible future European equivalents!
 

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I never want to hate on something that in all honesty, i could end up owning and loving...but i have to agree with this statement. and honestly to think that ANY detector is not going to false, and has no need for gps lockouts etc etc... ummmm

It all comes down to how closely the detector analyzes each signal that it detects.

If you look at each signal received with enough detail, and you operate in a white list like application (do not alert until you positively identify a signal as a radar) then you absolutely can "never false". I can absolutely buy that this is technically possible. If you have enough sensitivity, SNR, and dynamic range, you can look at each signal in enough detail, and if you can process the data fast enough, you can get the job done.

Radenso seems to think they can do that and not miss a real threat signal. And there I am a bit less sure. Never false? OK. Never false and never miss, or late alert to, a marginal real signal? That is the challenge.

I think it is possible, but I think it is an ambitious goal. I suspect the risk is only moderate to low that the design can be very successful with an extremely low false alert rate, a false rate no one else in the industry currently comes close to and is near zero. I think to say it will never, ever, false in a specific mode of operation, and also never miss a real threat while being in that same mode, is something I will have to see.

I do not see it as impossible, I wish them luck, I hope they achieve their goals...and yes, and I will buy one of the first group available (assuming I can get in line fast enough). I suspect that even if they come up a bit short of their lofty goals the detector will still be one of, if not the, best detectors on the market for the next few years.

T!
 

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Can you explain why you think that’s so crazy?
Because even multimillion dollar radar installations occasionally false? There's no possible way to claim 100 percent no-false, and I don't think I'd want one because its parameters would be so tight that it would likely miss a lot of legitimate signals in order to prevent falsing. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to be concerned about the very occasional false signal so long as the great, vast majority of them are eliminated.
 

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