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What kind of vehicle you have?
BMW X5 or Mazda CX-5

Do you want a remote mount or windshield mount detector?
Windshield

What's your budget?
$750

Where do you live and where do you primarily drive?
Will be in Philly metro area.

How do you drive?
Can be fast on open road. Never in town.

What is your daily drive like?
No commute. Mostly local with occasional longer trips in the area and occasional long-distance trips.

How long you have been using countermeasures, if at all?
Have used a Valentine 1 about 20 years ago, but not since then.

What is the terrain like where you normally drive?
Flat and hilly, and long distance trips will have all kinds of terrain.

Are there red light and/or speed cams in your area?
Yes

Do you need / prefer a GPS enabled unit?
Yes

Are you willing/do you want to use your phone to pair with the RD?
Yes

What kind of device do you own or would use for your detector?
iOS

Do you face MRCD and/or MRCT in your area?
Unsure

If you have any preconceived notions or thoughts about RDs, please tell us how long you've been using RDs or other units? etc. -- or any other relevant info you think might be important, let us know that as well.
Not sure to what extent I should be concerned about RDD on the East Coast -- mostly mid-Atlantic and New England, and also in rural Pennsylvania. Is there currently a "conflict" between better detection and stealthiness? Or are there devices that can do both really well? Thanks!
 

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RD, welcome aboard !!
 

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Thanks for the Welcome and for the advice!

As I said, I was curious about stealthiness vs effective detection. For example, I read somewhere that 360C is easily detected by RDD devices, while other make/models are not. Is detection a concern in, say, Pennsylvania and the East Coast from DC to Maine?

Thanks again!
 

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Thanks for the Welcome and for the advice!

As I said, I was curious about stealthiness vs effective detection. For example, I read somewhere that 360C is easily detected by RDD devices, while other make/models are not. Is detection a concern in, say, Pennsylvania and the East Coast from DC to Maine?

Thanks again!
The RL360c is 100% undetectable.
Thanks to a more advanced registration query link provided by @sdrawkcaB I think the evidence points to N9544Q being the 2nd Maine State Police asset with a very high level of confidence. It's been too long to edit my first post so let this be an amendment to that.

Looking at the registration data:

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Gerald Pearson is listed in the C/O on the address, and he is in face the Pilot Supervisor...

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And 36 Hospital St is listed as the address for "Photo Services Unlimited." 36 Hospital St is the address for the Air Wing, among other thigs...

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Also before that it was registered to State House Station 164, which is like Highway, Police, and Professional Standards at the Maine State House. It would seem very unlikely based on the image in the news video, the deeper registration query, and the flight paths shown that this is not the 2nd Maine State Police Airwing asset.

Given that they tried to obscure the relationship with the plane a tiny bit, it does beg the question of what else are the not saying. Like, do they have more than 2 but aren't sharing that info? In the 2007 census they completed for the BJS (full report posted in this thread: https://www.rdforum.org/threads/109827/) the seem consistent with the messaging of 2 aircraft so that would indicate that they are likely to only have two and both tail numbers are listed in this thread for people to add to their ADS watch lists. 👍
 

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Not sure to what extent I should be concerned about RDD on the East Coast -- mostly mid-Atlantic and New England, and also in rural Pennsylvania. Is there currently a "conflict" between better detection and stealthiness? Or are there devices that can do both really well?
Virginia and DC are the big areas of concern regarding stealthiness. Detectors illegal in both those jurisdictions. So your "mid-Atlantic" driving could make that a factor.

There is not any direct conflict right now between performance and stealth. Some of the very best detectors are also the stealthiest.

It does narrow down your choices a bit and cuts out a lot of the cheaper detectors. But with your budget that's not a problem.

If you do want stealth vs RDDs, the V1G2 and RL360c are probably your top choices. The extra money you spend on the Redline doesn't get you a commensurate bump in performance, but it does give you a very nice all-in-one package that is praised for its ease of use.

Personally I'd probably go V1G2 if I were in your position. The popular app for iOS (V1Driver) is very easy to use, targeted toward the "set and forget" type user, while still giving a lot of features. And if you decide later on that you want to geek out with the Android-only JBV1, you can buy a cheap android device and still be cheaper than the Redline.

If your CX-5 has blind-spot monitors, that is one of the more troublesome vehicles for causing false alarms in detectors. So you could have some issues with giving yourself false alerts. Might be something to dig into a bit and see, I'm not speaking from direct experience on this issue just going from what I've read.
 

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For stealth, small and easily concealed, reception range, unlikely to have CX-5 problems because it's single antenna, and an incredible value, pick up an R3 and try it out. Nothing to lose if you return it in 30 days to some retailers. Get a sale on eBay and sell it later if you want to try an arrow detector.
For most likely to succeed in working with your CX-5 and have arrows, the Redline 360c will fit the bill based on recent tests by Vortex and others.
An R7 has been known to work with some , but not all CX-5s. It is also not fully stealth against RDD, just good.
A V1G2 has been vulnerable to CX-5s BSM, not sure how it does when actually inside one. Would be nice to see a trial on that.

Pro M would do the job for stealth and concealment, but the R3 would kick butt on performance against radar. For your fast open road driving the extreme range detectors like R3, R7, RL360c, V1G2 would be the most helpful.
 

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Thank you both Signal Environment and DC Fluid!

Yes, I’m aware of DC and Virginia rules against RDs. So my take is that RDDs are not a significant concern elsewhere… Is that correct?

On radar detection performance, one review I read a couple of months ago suggested the RL360C was a waste of money and the MAX360C was at least as good (maybe even more sensitive?). I’m not even sure I must have the MAX 360C… If I use Waze, am I not sufficiently covered by the cheaper MAX360? My personal inclination is to avoid having to monitor multiple channels for live reports on speed traps. Presumably, a good device would be effective in detecting them, no? (About 20 years ago my old V1 detected everything, without additional inputs.)

I know that I might be missing something here, or might be plain wrong. So please don’t hesitate to correct me. It’s just that there’s a diff of $150 between MAX360C and MAX360, and the RL is even more costly.

One more on this: Which is more effective in detecting the Max360 / Max360C or the latest version of V1? And is either choice significantly inferior on RDD?

And how’s the BMW X5 doing on blind-spot monitoring interference with radar detection?

Please forgive the many questions…

Thank you again!
 

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Thank you both Signal Environment and DC Fluid!

Yes, I’m aware of DC and Virginia rules against RDs. So my take is that RDDs are not a significant concern elsewhere… Is that correct?

On radar detection performance, one review I read a couple of months ago suggested the RL360C was a waste of money and the MAX360C was at least as good (maybe even more sensitive?). I’m not even sure I must have the MAX 360C… If I use Waze, am I not sufficiently covered by the cheaper MAX360? My personal inclination is to avoid having to monitor multiple channels for live reports on speed traps. Presumably, a good device would be effective in detecting them, no? (About 20 years ago my old V1 detected everything, without additional inputs.)

I know that I might be missing something here, or might be plain wrong. So please don’t hesitate to correct me. It’s just that there’s a diff of $150 between MAX360C and MAX360, and the RL is even more costly.

One more on this: Which is more effective in detecting the Max360 / Max360C or the latest version of V1? And is either choice significantly inferior on RDD?

And how’s the BMW X5 doing on blind-spot monitoring interference with radar detection?

Please forgive the many questions…

Thank you again!
A Redline 360c is an extreme range detector, that only the V1G2 and R7, R3 can compete with on outright detection distances. They are the next generation better than the Max 360 series on detection and to some extent BSM filtering now.
The Max 360 series is very good, if you don't care about RDD detection. Because these light up RDD like a signal flare.
If you want a great bang for the buck in a Max 360 series, you have 3 choices:
Max 360c
Max 360
Cobra DualPro 360

All are the same basic platform and performance.
The design and arrow displays are biggest difference.
You pay more for the Max 360c with WiFi and being newest model.
The DualPro 360 has been on sale from the official Cobra eBay site (Escort owns Cobra, and has eBay site too) recently for $349 USD. That's a killer deal on a new with warranty Max 360 platform. I have one and had the Max 360 and now have Max 360c. Many pluses to the Cobra and check out reviews here about it.
You also have a choice with Escort to get the Max 3, their newest detector and I've seen it $50 off on eBay site before, regular $399. It has more detection range than the Max 360 series and has a recent update to improve some falsing we complained about.
All these have Autolockouts, camera gps databases, and the ability to use the Escort app.
I would use the app only for easy settings changes, and run Highway Radar/Waze app on the side for more coverage.
I have a high recommendation for the DualPro 360 as it performs flawlessly for me.
Max 360 & 360c have been a bit glitchy in comparison, at a much higher price. But do have some nice features regarding superior arrow display.
I was most let down by the Max 360 as it had the most issues and less tuning features like segmentation.
Regards,
Post automatically merged:

Check out multiple Cobra DualPro threads and videos here:

Also, it does well against MRCD mobile cameras, just like the Max 360c does well, so no shortchanging of performance and features for the DualPro.
 
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A Redline 360c is an extreme range detector, that only the V1G2 and R7, R3 can compete with on outright detection distances. They are the next generation better than the Max 360 series on detection and to some extent BSM filtering now.
The Max 360 series is very good, if you don't care about RDD detection. Because these light up RDD like a signal flare.
If you want a great bang for the buck in a Max 360 series, you have 3 choices:
Max 360c
Max 360
Cobra DualPro 360

All are the same basic platform and performance.
The design and arrow displays are biggest difference.
You pay more for the Max 360c with WiFi and being newest model.
The DualPro 360 has been on sale from the official Cobra eBay site (Escort owns Cobra, and has eBay site too) recently for $349 USD. That's a killer deal on a new with warranty Max 360 platform. I have one and had the Max 360 and now have Max 360c. Many pluses to the Cobra and check out reviews here about it.
You also have a choice with Escort to get the Max 3, their newest detector and I've seen it $50 off on eBay site before, regular $399. It has more detection range than the Max 360 series and has a recent update to improve some falsing we complained about.
All these have Autolockouts, camera gps databases, and the ability to use the Escort app.
I would use the app only for easy settings changes, and run Highway Radar/Waze app on the side for more coverage.
I have a high recommendation for the DualPro 360 as it performs flawlessly for me.
Max 360 & 360c have been a bit glitchy in comparison, at a much higher price. But do have some nice features regarding superior arrow display.
I was most let down by the Max 360 as it had the most issues and less tuning features like segmentation.
Regards,
Post automatically merged:

Check out multiple Cobra DualPro threads and videos here:

Also, it does well against MRCD mobile cameras, just like the Max 360c does well, so no shortchanging of performance and features for the DualPro.

Thank you so much DC Fluid for the detailed reply! I really appreciate it. No clear sense yet what exact car we'll get, but will sure need one of these guys to help us.

You said "A Redline 360c is an extreme range detector, that only the V1G2 and R7, R3 can compete with on outright detection distances. They are the next generation..."

When it comes to technology, I prefer to buy one next-generation device and if it's good quality, I can keep it for a several years. For RDs, I'm not likely to buy more than one.

So, if money was no object... (Ha!), which one of these new gen devices is the better/best model? (For whatever it's worth, Amazon has very few, all-negative reviews of the RL360C.)

Many thanks!
 

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Thank you so much DC Fluid for the detailed reply! I really appreciate it. No clear sense yet what exact car we'll get, but will sure need one of these guys to help us.

You said "A Redline 360c is an extreme range detector, that only the V1G2 and R7, R3 can compete with on outright detection distances. They are the next generation..."

When it comes to technology, I prefer to buy one next-generation device and if it's good quality, I can keep it for a several years. For RDs, I'm not likely to buy more than one.

So, if money was no object... (Ha!), which one of these new gen devices is the better/best model? (For whatever it's worth, Amazon has very few, all-negative reviews of the RL360C.)

Many thanks!
You will have the best detector from each brand and best detection ranges, going with R7, V1G2 and RL360c.
Any will qualify as best choice, but cost and features important to you are what will make the choice for you.
Read up on Vortex Radar website about the 3 and get pros and cons.
Continuing improvement from all 3, so find the latest reviews and commentary.
 

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You will have the best detector from each brand and best detection ranges, going with R7, V1G2 and RL360c.
Any will qualify as best choice, but cost and features important to you are what will make the choice for you.
Read up on Vortex Radar website about the 3 and get pros and cons.
Continuing improvement from all 3, so find the latest reviews and commentary.
Thanks again! Very helpful.
 

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