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@Buz made a post complaining about the distance of a detection with a K band source 90 degrees to the road. So for fun, I thought I would test some of today's best detectors against just a threat and compare it to a couple of yesteryear's best detectors. I have other older detectors (a NIB Passport from 88, NIB Escort from 89, and my hardly used Escort DSP, but didn't have them with me for playing with).

The players are:

RL360C Highway Mode, TSR On, K band Wide no K notch.

R7 Highway Mode, TSF On, K Filter on, K band Wide, no K Block.

V1G2 All bogeys mode, K Verifier On.

Escort (old school) from mid 80's

Uniden RD9 from 1989

The source is a Golden Eagle K band set up on a tripod on a turn out next to the road, pointed across the road, bubble level. This is a map of the course:

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The Arrow represents the direction the source was pointed.

I ran 3 runs with each detector. RD9 was mounted to the visor, OG Escort was mid-windshield mounted.

Here are the results:

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The OG Escort and the RD9 both misidentified the source as X band on initial detection once during testing.
 

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Nice testing!!!

I'd use that og escort over any current detector 😜
 
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Love this test to keep things in perspective.
Reminds me of my tests when I include one of my 3 9500ix into it.
No doubt a partial reason I was so blown away when upgrading to the Pro M, R3 and R7.
 

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We need more truth around here! Folks, the G2 ain’t perfect, but understand what’s going on for $500 is insane!

I welcome pointing out the negatives (some K I/O stuff) in an informative manner, which only helps improve the experience for everyone - American made firmware upgrades 🇺🇸! Let’s face it, Valentine Research has a kickass track record.

Enough of that, credit where credit is due! Thanks for the testing Rags!!!

And damn, the G2 out-sniffs the R7 again! How’s the G2 do that and filter so well?! The R7 is chatty 💥📢😭
 
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RL360C Highway Mode, TSR On, K band Wide no K notch.

R7 Highway Mode, TSF On, K Filter on, K band Wide, no K Block.

V1G2 All bogeys mode, K Verifier On.
Great testing! Just wish the setting were a bit more 'fair' as TSR/TSF active can make a significant difference at times. TSF in the Uniden is not equal to the TSR with the Escort. Since the G2 does not even have this option it automatically is at an advantage.

If you are just looking at the current RD's against the 'old school' ones obviously it will not make that much of a difference given the significant apparent range advantages the newer units have shown here.

I believe prior you said this is how you typically run your RD's personally, so for you it is a great benchmark as I could see wanting to know which one will perform the best the way you run it daily.

Very interesting to see just how much these companies are increasing sensitivity as time goes on though!
 

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Great testing! Just wish the setting were a bit more 'fair' as TSR/TSF active can make a significant difference at times. TSF in the Uniden is not equal to the TSR with the Escort. Since the G2 does not even have this option it automatically is at an advantage.

If you are just looking at the current RD's against the 'old school' ones obviously it will not make that much of a difference given the significant apparent range advantages the newer units have shown here.

I believe prior you said this is how you typically run your RD's personally, so for you it is a great benchmark as I could see wanting to know which one will perform the best the way you run it daily.

Very interesting to see just how much these companies are increasing sensitivity as time goes on though!
Yeah TSR on and off had no effect on the RL360C, I posted results previously showing how little of an effect it had. The V1G2 does have similar, it's called K Verifier. It includes rejection of traffic filters, option t in the setup. V1G1 has had this option for quite some time.

If you would like, I can do the same with the R7, even though this test was far more than fair.
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Great testing! This fits what I've seen empirically. Straight line I think the R7 has a slight edge, but that doesn't always equate to better useful detections.
Are you sure about that? The RL360C stomps it with on axis and the V1G2 is very close to the RL360C.
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@Buz made a post complaining about the distance of a detection with a K band source 90 degrees to the road. So for fun, I thought I would test some of today's best detectors against just a threat and compare it to a couple of yesteryear's best detectors. I have other older detectors (a NIB Passport from 88, NIB Escort from 89, and my hardly used Escort DSP, but didn't have them with me for playing with).

The players are:

RL360C Highway Mode, TSR On, K band Wide no K notch.

R7 Highway Mode, TSF On, K Filter on, K band Wide, no K Block.

V1G2 All bogeys mode, K Verifier On.

Escort (old school) from mid 80's

Uniden RD9 from 1989

The source is a Golden Eagle K band set up on a tripod on a turn out next to the road, pointed across the road, bubble level. This is a map of the course:

View attachment 178391

The Arrow represents the direction the source was pointed.

I ran 3 runs with each detector. RD9 was mounted to the visor, OG Escort was mid-windshield mounted.

Here are the results:

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The OG Escort and the RD9 both misidentified the source as X band on initial detection once during testing.
I realize an error in the labeling of the graphs, RL360C had TSR ON, not off. I will fix this later.
 
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@Buz made a post complaining about the distance of a detection with a K band source 90 degrees to the road. So for fun, I thought I would test some of today's best detectors against just a threat and compare it to a couple of yesteryear's best detectors. I have other older detectors (a NIB Passport from 88, NIB Escort from 89, and my hardly used Escort DSP, but didn't have them with me for playing with).

The players are:

RL360C Highway Mode, TSR On, K band Wide no K notch.

R7 Highway Mode, TSF On, K Filter on, K band Wide, no K Block.

V1G2 All bogeys mode, K Verifier On.

Escort (old school) from mid 80's

Uniden RD9 from 1989

The source is a Golden Eagle K band set up on a tripod on a turn out next to the road, pointed across the road, bubble level. This is a map of the course:

View attachment 178391

The Arrow represents the direction the source was pointed.

I ran 3 runs with each detector. RD9 was mounted to the visor, OG Escort was mid-windshield mounted.

Here are the results:

View attachment 178392

View attachment 178393

The OG Escort and the RD9 both misidentified the source as X band on initial detection once during testing.
But, but, the G2 has very short K band C/O detection. Did you rig this test!? Maybe it wasn't my imagination that my G2 has done a good job against the K band threats I face? Glad I don't have to face @VariableWave or @Kennyc56 with K band. But in celebration of this testing and the update I'm gonna get faced!
 

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Are you sure about that? The RL360C stomps it with on axis and the V1G2 is very close to the RL360C.
All empirical. When I've had a straight ahead K hit, the R7 did pick up sooner- by several seconds at times. When it was off axis, the G2 edged it by a few seconds. It may have been that short pulse of a faint detection that the R7 picked up, but the V1 didn't. It is hard to tell with the long hold time of the R7.

Conversely, the R7 has never picked up Ka before the V1G2. It has been within a second, but never beat it.
 

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But, but, the G2 has very short K band C/O detection. Did you rig this test!? Maybe it wasn't my imagination that my G2 has done a good job against the K band threats I face? Glad I don't have to face @VariableWave or @Kennyc56 with K band. But in celebration of this testing and the update I'm gonna get faced!
Yeah, I am definitely not seeing this poor range other's are claiming. Maybe I am doing something wrong.
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All empirical. When I've had a straight ahead K hit, the R7 did pick up sooner- by several seconds at times. When it was off axis, the G2 edged it by a few seconds. It may have been that short pulse of a faint detection that the R7 picked up, but the V1 didn't. It is hard to tell with the long hold time of the R7.

Conversely, the R7 has never picked up Ka before the V1G2. It has been within a second, but never beat it.
Yeah, I keep hearing this. But I've yet to test legitimate K band where the R7 beats the V1G2 (both of my R7s also fair a tad worse than my R3) by any significance. Testing against legitimate threats, I fully expected the R7 to dominate since it stomps both the RL360C and V1G2 in distance against door openers. But if that were a legitimate test, the OG Escort and RD9 would be even better than the R7.
 
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The V1G2 does have similar, it's called K Verifier. It includes rejection of traffic filters, option t in the setup. V1G1 has had this option for quite some time.
The K-Verifier is the BSM filtering system for the G2, just like Uniden has their K-filter - to which you can turn on/off with both units. Escorts BSM filter is always on, and can't be turned off. You can add TSF/TSR to further filter K-band on Uniden and Escort, but there is not an added filter above the BSM filtering (K-Verifier) on the G2.

Does VR build in added TS(X) filters to their K-verifier, it is possible, but not been discussed or confirmed by VR that I am aware of as of yet.
 

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The K-Verifier is the BSM filtering system for the G2, just like Uniden has their K-filter - to which you can turn on/off with both units. Escorts BSM filter is always on, and can't be turned off. You can add TSF/TSR to further filter K-band on Uniden and Escort, but there is not an added filter above the BSM filtering (K-Verifier) on the G2.

Does VR build in added TS(X) filters to their K-verifier, it is possible, but not been discussed or confirmed by VR that I am aware of as of yet.
I know what K verifier is. I was one of the first people to discover on the V1G1 that TMF (option t) would filter out some BSM noise. VR added to that function with TMF2 to do an even better job, and now with KV is refined even farther. With KV off, it will alert to traffic monitoring sensors just like the old V1G1 did with TMF off, and with KV on, it doesn't.
 

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Great testing like always @Rags ! During our laser test this past weekend one of our members wanted to test his R7 against a weak patch antenna shooting forward facing 35.5. After making several runs and pointing out where he picked it up, I couldn't resist making a couple of passes with my G2! Of course, my G2 does what it does and murdered his R7 picking it up over a hill and bridge and then at least 1/8 of a mile after that farther than the R7! A little later, @VariableWave and I wanted to try some moving Q/T shots with my G2 against his Genesis II select. He shot me over and over and I only got 1 damn hit! Then we parked the R7 on the other side of the street from me and he pulled off dozens of Q/T shots. The R7 was virtually 100% while my G2 got zero, until he slowed way down just like always.When I first arrived at our site, he shot me with the Falcon for the first time, and it did react much better, but it was C/O. These damn Genesis guns remind me a lot of how the Dragon Eye F%^&$ with my TMG's! The next test, I'll have him shoot me with the Falcon on I/O and Q/T and see how that goes. I love my V1G2 as much or more than anyone, but if you run into a Decatur Genesis II and get hit with even very piss poor K band I/O, much less Q/T your @ss will get blistered! On the other hand, just try to squeeze any Ka band Q/T shot past it!
 
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Great testing like always @Rags ! During our laser test this past weekend one of our members wanted to test his R7 against a weak patch antenna shootng forward facing 35.5. After making several runs and pointing out where he picked it up, I couldn't resist making a couple of passes with my G2! Of course, my G2 does what it does and murdered his R7 picking it up over a hill and bridge and then at least 1/8 of a mile after that farther than the R7! A little later, @VariableWave and I wanted to try some moving Q/T shots with my G2 against his Genesis II select. He shot me over and over and I only got 1 damn hit! Then we parked the R7 on the other side of the street from me and he pulled off dozens of Q/T shots. The R7 was virtually 100% while my G2 got zero, until he slowed way down just like always.When I first arrived at our site, he shot me with the Falcon for the first time, and it did react much better, but it was C/O. These damn Genesis guns remind me a lot of how the Dragon Eye F%^&$ with my TMG's! The next test, I'll have him shoot me with the Falcon on I/O and Q/T and see how that goes. I love my V1G2 as much or more than anyone, but if you run into a Decatur Genesis II and get hit with even very piss poor K band I/O, much less Q/T your @ss will get blistered! On the other hand, just try to squeeze any Ka band Q/T shot past it!
No doubt about it, the R7 is faster reacting. I suspect this issue can be mitigated by VR, because even the .7 to 1 second delay with the Golden Eagle is not optimal. Although it's better than the up to 4 seconds delay with the RL360C.
 

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Does VR build in added TS(X) filters to their K-verifier, it is possible, but not been discussed or confirmed by VR that I am aware of as of yet.
I think the base unfiltered does something too. When I first got the G2, it was quieter than my G1 for BSMs even with the K filter off. Actually quite a lot better, I was surprised. When I turned it on, there seemed to only be about a ~10% improvement compared to the G1. That was with 1019. It has only gotten better!

After testing the K IO, there was no difference with or without the filter, so it was best just to leave on.
 

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But, but, the G2 has very short K band C/O detection. Did you rig this test!? Maybe it wasn't my imagination that my G2 has done a good job against the K band threats I face? Glad I don't have to face @VariableWave or @Kennyc56 with K band. But in celebration of this testing and the update I'm gonna get faced!
I never said the G2 was bad against K band C/O! It's always right around the same as our R1's, R3's and R7's that we test on C/O. It gets its @ss handed to it by all of them on K band Q/T shots however!
 
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With KV off, it will alert to traffic monitoring sensors just like the old V1G1 did with TMF off, and with KV on, it doesn't.
With KV off it will alert to any/every K-band signal as there is zero filtering, ha. I tried to run it like that once just to see what it would be like wit the filter off, did not shut up, but that was to be expected with zero K filters active. Maybe that is why the G2 is slower to react to K band, as it is built in. Maybe VR needs to break their system apart a bit. Keep the KV system to filter your standard BSM signals and for those needing the additional Traffic Sensor rejection make that a selectable option, like the other units have done.
 

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I think the base unfiltered does something too. When I first got the G2, it was quieter than my G1 for BSMs even with the K filter off. Actually quite a lot better, I was surprised. When I turned it on, there seemed to only be about a ~10% improvement compared to the G1. That was with 1019. It has only gotten better!

After testing the K IO, there was no difference with or without the filter, so it was best just to leave on.
This is a great point. It also reminds me that I need to show a side by side comparison of the V1G2 with KV off and the R7 with TSF off.
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With KV off it will alert to any/every K-band signal as there is zero filtering, ha. I tried to run it like that once just to see what it would be like wit the filter off, did not shut up, but that was to be expected with zero K filters active. Maybe that is why the G2 is slower to react to K band, as it is built in. Maybe VR needs to break their system apart a bit. Keep the KV system to filter your standard BSM signals and for those needing the additional Traffic Sensor rejection make that a selectable option, like the other units have done.
I can't agree with you there. Even with KV turned off, it does still filter out some garbage. Granted I would never run with it off (for the same reason I turn TSR and TSF on in the others) as it is very effective in eliminating most of the K band noise.
 
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With KV off it will alert to any/every K-band signal as there is zero filtering, ha. I tried to run it like that once just to see what it would be like wit the filter off, did not shut up, but that was to be expected with zero K filters active. Maybe that is why the G2 is slower to react to K band, as it is built in. Maybe VR needs to break their system apart a bit. Keep the KV system to filter your standard BSM signals and for those needing the additional Traffic Sensor rejection make that a selectable option, like the other units have done.
If you try hitting it with K band I/O turning KV off makes very little if any difference! That was one of the first things we tried. It will pick up every single BSM for miles however!
 

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I never said the G2 was bad against K band C/O! It's always right around the same as our R1's, R3's and R7's that we test on C/O. It gets its @ss handed to it by all of them on K band Q/T shots however!
No sir! It wasn't you I was thinking of at all. Haven't there been some differences between guns though? With the Genesis being the among the nastiest?
 

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