Big 3 35.5 Shootout

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Got around to doing some testing today, but didn't have time to include the V1G1, R3, or the original Redline. I also did not have time to test K band or other Ka frequencies. So only the 35.5 Kustom Golden Eagle was used.

Settings were:

RL360C and R7: Highway, Ka Narrow 2,4,5,6,8
V1G2: All bogeys mode, no custom frequencies


The test location is a road called Hat 6, it's a two-lane road with very few trees, lots of sage brush, long winding turns and elevation changes.

Here is a map of the course where the cluster of detections were collected:


Hat 6 Long Range.jpg


The radar antenna was mounted on a tripod shooting parallel to the road with the tripod located next to a gravel pile. This is a common place for our local Sheriff's deputies to set up shop with a speed trap. I tried to duplicate how they sit as best I could. All 3 detectors were mounted high near the center top of the windshield. R7 on the right side of the Rearview Mirror, RL360C on the left, V1G2 to the left of the RL360C. All runs were done one detector at a time. I also did a run with the V1G2 mounted in the Blendmount to see if it affected range (it barely affected range, but was a little better with all runs), just to see for myself if there is a huge difference.

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Here are the results from the longest range detections:

Hat 6 Long Range Data.jpg


As you can see, there is a clustering of detections, apparently the radar has a significant signal at that particular location. During the testing, I noticed that the detectors behaved differently driving towards the source. All 3 would lose the signal rather quickly. The V1G2 consistently picked the signal up at two specific locations:

Hat 6 V1G2 2nd detection.jpg

And:

Hat 6 V1G2 3rd detection.jpg


This second location has a turn off for a road, The V1G2 would consistently alert in this location. After many tries I could get neither the RL360C nor the R7 to pick up the signal at this (or the other location).

All 3 clustered near the last spot where they would alert continuously:

Hat 6 Constant Detection Cluster.jpg


Here is the data from that testing (these are all averages of the 3 runs, the graphs got messy when doing the individual runs, the deviation for each detector was well under 1%).

Hat 6 Multiple Detection Data.jpg


Effectively, they all were the same location where they alerted continuously.

I also did runs from the other direction to get some forward facing results and got some very interesting results from that:

Hat 6 FF Data.jpg

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I also want to add that the R7 consistently reported multiple bogeys approaching the source. The RL360C and the V1G2 only ever reported 1 bogey. I should have taken video of this, but again I was kind of on a time crunch due to one of my kids having a birthday party today.
 
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Thank you @Rags for another great test.

Out of curiosity, are you using the RDTest app to capture your results?
Yes. Without that app, I would not have had time to do what I did this morning.
 

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All 3 would lose the signal rather quickly. The V1G2 consistently picked the signal up at two specific locations:


This second location has a turn off for a road, The V1G2 would consistently alert in this location. After many tries I could get neither the RL360C nor the R7 to pick up the signal at this (or the other location).

It sounds like all 3 picked up the radar further out, but then dropped the signal and only the V1G2 was able to pick it up in two additional locations before then all 3 alerting as you got closer to the source, is that correct?

The V1G2 alerts at the most insanely short whiff of Ka so I am assuming that is why it was able to get those additional detections. This goes to show that sensitivity, while of very strong importance, needs to be coupled with great reactivity to have a truly top tier RD. In theory if an officer was shooting sloppy I/O (at a long distance or tough terrain) the above is where the G2 could produce a save where the others may not due to its reactivity.

Thank you for taking the time to test, great job, and greatly appreciated!
 

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@Rags - thanks again for the time, effort and $$ spent to get us some additional comparisons between these top 3 detectors. The testing seems to be bearing out that the V1G2 is the most sensitive on Ka, followed by the Redline 360 and finally the R7. Not a huge difference, but the fact that the V1G2 was able to pick up the signal at 2 locations on the course that the others could not shows some additional sensitivity, reactivity (as mentioned by @westwind77) and/or off-axis capabilities the others don't quite have.
 

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It sounds like all 3 picked up the radar further out, but then dropped the signal and only the V1G2 was able to pick it up in two additional locations before then all 3 alerting as you got closer to the source, is that correct?

The V1G2 alerts at the most insanely short whiff of Ka so I am assuming that is why it was able to get those additional detections. This goes to show that sensitivity, while of very strong importance, needs to be coupled with great reactivity to have a truly top tier RD. In theory if an officer was shooting sloppy I/O (at a long distance or tough terrain) the above is where the G2 could produce a save where the others may not due to its reactivity.

Thank you for taking the time to test, great job, and greatly appreciated!
You are correct. I tried to get the other 2 to alert but they wouldn't.
 

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@Rags - thanks again for the time, effort and $$ spent to get us some additional comparisons between these top 3 detectors. The testing seems to be bearing out that the V1G2 is the most sensitive on Ka, followed by the Redline 360 and finally the R7. Not a huge difference, but the fact that the V1G2 was able to pick up the signal at 2 locations on the course that the others could not shows some additional sensitivity, reactivity (as mentioned by @westwind77) and/or off-axis capabilities the others don't quite have.
Escort has done a good job with the latest firmware updates to get the reaction time better and the sensitivity far better, it will be interesting to see if they are able to develop it further.

I will be doing additional testing soon with the same course doing k band and additional Ka frequencies.
 

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Escort has done a good job with the latest firmware updates to get the reaction time better and the sensitivity far better, it will be interesting to see if they are able to develop it further.

I will be doing additional testing soon with the same course doing k band and additional Ka frequencies.

We're looking forward to your results! Thank you in advance for your time and effort and of course the outstanding work. :cool:
 

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Got around to doing some testing today, but didn't have time to include the V1G1, R3, or the original Redline. I also did not have time to test K band or other Ka frequencies.

Settings were:

RL360C and R7: Highway, Ka Narrow 2,4,5,6,8
V1G2: All bogeys mode, no custom frequencies


The test location is a road called Hat 6, it's a two-lane road with very few trees, lots of sage brush, long winding turns and elevation changes.

Here is a map of the course where the cluster of detections were collected:


View attachment 177415

The radar antenna was mounted on a tripod shooting parallel to the road with the tripod located next to a gravel pile. This is a common place for our local Sheriff's deputies to set up shop with a speed trap. I tried to duplicate how they sit as best I could. All 3 detectors were mounted high near the center top of the windshield. R7 on the right side of the Rearview Mirror, RL360C on the left, V1G2 to the left of the RL360C. All runs were done one detector at a time. I also did a run with the V1G2 mounted in the Blendmount to see if it affected range (it barely affected range, but was a little better with all runs), just to see for myself if there is a huge difference.

Here are the results from the longest range detections:

View attachment 177420

As you can see, there is a clustering of detections, apparently the radar has a significant signal at that particular location. During the testing, I noticed that the detectors behaved differently driving towards the source. All 3 would lose the signal rather quickly. The V1G2 consistently picked the signal up at two specific locations:

View attachment 177421
And:

View attachment 177422

This second location has a turn off for a road, The V1G2 would consistently alert in this location. After many tries I could get neither the RL360C nor the R7 to pick up the signal at this (or the other location).

All 3 clustered near the last spot where they would alert continuously:

View attachment 177423

Here is the data from that testing (these are all averages of the 3 runs, the graphs got messy when doing the individual runs, the deviation for each detector was well under 1%).

View attachment 177424

Effectively, they all were the same location where they alerted continuously.

I also did runs from the other direction to get some forward facing results and got some very interesting results from that:

View attachment 177425
Post automatically merged:

I also want to add that the R7 consistently reported multiple bogeys approaching the source. The RL360C and the V1G2 only ever reported 1 bogey. I should have taken video of this, but again I was kind of on a time crunch due to one of my kids having a birthday party today.
Thanks for doing the testing and of course happy birthday 🎂
 

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Great testing again @Rags ! Once again, when you make the V1G2 work for it, it opens a can of whip @ss! While we have yet to test the RL360c, this happens on 34.7 and 35.5 everytime we test the R7 and V1G2. On straight up radar the R7 is right there but on a very weak sniff or extreme almost impossible off axis, that's where the V1G2 flexes it's muscles! That's why it's my weapon of choice! When all that saves you from a point blank I/O shot is that one tiny sniff, the G2 is incredible!
 

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Great testing again @Rags ! Once again, when you make the V1G2 work for it, it opens a can of whip @ss! While we have yet to test the RL360c, this happens on 34.7 and 35.5 everytime we test the R7 and V1G2. On straight up radar the R7 is right there but on a very weak sniff or extreme almost impossible off axis, that's where the V1G2 flexes it's muscles! That's why it's my weapon of choice! When all that saves you from a point blank I/O shot is that one tiny sniff, the G2 is incredible!
All 3 are really great detectors for sure. The RL360C and V1G2 are another level above the R7 for range. The RL360C is certainly no slouch with difficult Ka detections.
 

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All 3 are really great detectors for sure. The RL360C and V1G2 are another level above the R7 for range. The RL360C is certainly no slouch with difficult Ka detections.
Hopefully you will be able to test Theia on your course when it’s released to see if indeed the claims of multiple G2 range hold true. It will be exciting for sure!
 

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Hopefully you will be able to test Theia on your course when it’s released to see if indeed the claims of multiple G2 range hold true. It will be exciting for sure!
I will be buying Theia and testing it for sure!
 

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Thanks for testing and sharing with us!
 

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Thanks for the great testing @Rags! This looks like a great course to use for detector separation. There's just no denying the V1G2's ability to detect Ka band signals off axis. I certainly wish I had a higher tolerance for all of the other annoying quirks that it has, because I'd love to take advantage of that range more often.

Out of curiosity, which 35.5 gun do you use? I've definitely noticed differences between detecting Kustom guns and Decatur guns, and it's good to know which one is being used.
 

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Thanks for the great testing @Rags! This looks like a great course to use for detector separation. There's just no denying the V1G2's ability to detect Ka band signals off axis. I certainly wish I had a higher tolerance for all of the other annoying quirks that it has, because I'd love to take advantage of that range more often.

Out of curiosity, which 35.5 gun do you use? I've definitely noticed differences between detecting Kustom guns and Decatur guns, and it's good to know which one is being used.
Kustom Golden Eagle. Thanks for the reminder, I will edit my post!
 

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All 3 are really great detectors for sure. The RL360C and V1G2 are another level above the R7 for range. The RL360C is certainly no slouch with difficult Ka detections.
To be fair to the R7 however, it kills the V1G2 against K band and murders the RL360c on all bands of I/O and Q/T! The R7 is a very balanced detector against all threats while the V1G2 ia a one hit wonder against Ka band, at least till it gets fixed! Lucky for me I don't ever face I/O K band, but all it will take is once and my day will be ruined!
 

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