Escort iXc vs Max 3

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Well put. I figured it had a place over the R3 with the autolockouts, but now that the DS1 is out, I don't think there's a good reason to get a Max 3 anymore. EL isn't a big selling point, IMHO, plus the DS1 will eventually get an app for settings changes too if that matters so...
Is there any Escort that is worthy without going to the Red Max 360?
 

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Bases on reviews it appears the Max 3 seems better than IXC and the original Max 360?

What's confusing to me is the Max 360c is suppose to be no different than the Max 360 except for wifi and new case. But people are saying the Max 360 is getting outdated. 🤔
 

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Bases on reviews it appears the Max 3 seems better than IXC and the original Max 360?

What's confusing to me is the Max 360c is suppose to be no different than the Max 360 except for wifi and new case. But people are saying the Max 360 is getting outdated. 🤔
Max 360 has a big bulbous case, biggest of all until MaxCam 360 showed up. Buttons wear off to unreadable quickly.
Max 360 has no ability to segment bands, on or off only. More false alerts on K and Ka because of that.
Max 360c is improved in those areas and other features.
DualPro 360 has better menu items than the M360.
Max 360 has perhaps the best arrows display however.
They are all within a breath of each other for detection of radar as they have the same hardware.
I found Max 360 to be worst vs. BSM, DP360 best or tied with M360c depending on what types of cars you see most, and which segments you have enabled.
Both the Max 360 and 360c falsed lots on Ka and that's why I sold them.
DP360 I kept 2 of them.
 

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Is there any Escort that is worthy without going to the Red Max 360?
hm maybe also the Max Ci 360?

Escort has never really gone for the value detector play in a meaningful way. They have some cheaper detectors, sure, but the competition does a better job in this area IMHO, especially Uniden with the introduction of the LRD950.

Escort positions themselves as a premium brand even between Cobra and Beltronics and I think that's where they are strongest. That said, even their top detectors have their fair share of issues, particularly at launch, so it's unrealistic to expect perfection regardless of how much $$ you want to spend.

Looking across their lineup though, I like their higher end stuff best and mostly overlook their cheaper stuff.
 

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I guess another "X" if your keeping score, is the business model that seems to be their MO.

Right or wrong... and not up to us what they consider the best path moving forward, is the abandonment of improving past, and existing platforms, in favor of introducing new models.

I guess it's whatever the market will stomach.

What do I know though. They're still in business.. so it must have some merit. Maybe not on RDF.... but in reality, RDF isn't the target market anyway.

It's the spontaneous, impulse buyer. Whatever ad's they see the most. The non- repeat buyer that's not looking for the next best thing, or casual user that only breaks out the detector on their yearly road trips.


You have to wonder how the general public looks at updates... or are even concerned about them in the first place? Do they even check?

I've always wondered about that? The perception.

In one corner you have Escort and Valentine.
- Minimal updates to make the detector better.
- It's as good as this line is going to get. The pinnacle of performance.
- In Escorts case, "We're done there and moving on to the next best thing".

The other corner Uniden and Radenso
- multiple updates to existing line
- no need to buy another detector for a while. "We'll just keep working on this to make it better... for free"
- ability to pick an choose firmware's that a user might work best for them and their environment.


Sometimes you have to wonder when looking outside the RDF box.

Does having multiple updates at a lower cost make it seem that they couldn't get it right in the first place?
or
Does the perception of the highest price, with minimal improvements mean it's the best at the time and needs nothing else?

I know I've wandered a bit... but when the discussion of different Escorts come up, this always seems to come to the forefront of my thought process.

Sounds like a good video @Vortex lol
Could be a touchy subject though.
 

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Uniden has had 2 updates in the last 12 months for their flagship R7.

Escort has had 3 updates on the last 12 months for their flagship RL360C.

Valentine has had 3 updates in the last 12 months for their V1G2.

Radenso has had 0 updates in the last 12 for their flagship Pro M.

Uniden has had 0 updates since early 2019 for their R3.

Radenso has had 1 update for the RC M in the last year.

My guess is that the updates for the RL360C will be much fewer now that it's not the new kid on the block any longer for them if their history is any indication.

Uniden has effectively ended any improvements to the R3 and I expect the R7 won't be far behind.

Valentine I expect to continue with firmware updates at Valentine speed for the V1G2.
 

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Uniden has had 2 updates in the last 12 months for their flagship R7.

Escort has had 3 updates on the last 12 months for their flagship RL360C.

Valentine has had 3 updates in the last 12 months for their V1G2.

Radenso has had 0 updates in the last 12 for their flagship Pro M.

Uniden has had 0 updates since early 2019 for their R3.

Radenso has had 1 update for the RC M in the last year.

My guess is that the updates for the RL360C will be much fewer now that it's not the new kid on the block any longer for them if their history is any indication.

Uniden has effectively ended any improvements to the R3 and I expect the R7 won't be far behind.

Valentine I expect to continue with firmware updates at Valentine speed for the V1G2.
It's harder but I think it's worth breaking down the updates in terms of whether they fix bugs that frankly shouldn't have shipped in the first place, improve things like BSM filtering or whatever that we weren't exactly expecting but were a pleasant surprise, or added significant enhancements that change the equation like lockouts.

IMO Basically all of the RL360C updates were fixing what should've worked out of the box. The V1G2 is a mix of both -- in particular their BSM and LIDAR filtering updates were pleasant surprises that I wasn't expecting.
 

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It's harder but I think it's worth breaking down the updates in terms of whether they fix bugs that frankly shouldn't have shipped in the first place, improve things like BSM filtering or whatever that we weren't exactly expecting but were a pleasant surprise, or added significant enhancements that change the equation like lockouts.

IMO Basically all of the RL360C updates were fixing what should've worked out of the box. The V1G2 is a mix of both -- in particular their BSM and LIDAR filtering updates were pleasant surprises that I wasn't expecting.
Possibly. But the RL360C did add extra performance and new features as well. I was really in shock with the rate of updates they have done with it.

The V1G2 had a critical update as well, but each one did add functionality as well.

I am willing to bet that Valentine continues to improve the functionality of the V1G2.

I also expect to see Radenso updating their current flagship at least once, but they will also be at the mercy of Uniden for their updates... so how that plays out is yet to be determined.

It should be interesting to see what shakes out in the next year.
 

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Possibly. But the RL360C did add extra performance and new features as well. I was really in shock with the rate of updates they have done with it.

The V1G2 had a critical update as well, but each one did add functionality as well.

I am willing to bet that Valentine continues to improve the functionality of the V1G2.
Reminds me of the original Max1. They went up to 1.10 or so within the first year and though it never was a performance champ, they improved a lot about it. I feel like Escort with new platforms does tend to have a rapid pace of updates before it slows down drastically.
I also expect Valentine to be the company that does more meaningful software updates over the lifespan of the product.
 

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I pulled the trigger on the Max 3. I was able to connect it by Bluetooth to my phone and the speed of the road as well as my speed show up. Thanks to Vortex's video I was able to quickly confirm its firmware which was probably the original software.

I went to the box to look for the cable to connect to my computer and that's when I confirmed no cable. My phone, and Kindle cable do not fit. I have some Bose wireless in ears and that cable did not fit either. Seriously, Escort could not include a cable to update the software? Now I have to go back to Best Buy and purchase the cable.☹
 
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Is there any Escort that is worthy without going to the Red Max 360?
Looking across their lineup though, I like their higher end stuff best and mostly overlook their cheaper stuff.
I didn't realize the DualPro 360 was priced at $350. At that price, the Cobra DualPro seems like the perfect option for a plug it in and forget it detector for, say, a spouse's car. I frankly don't understand how anyone can go back to a non-arrow detector after using arrows. My V1Gen2 is great and, with an app companion, better than my Max360/c, but it's 40% more expensive and requires messing with the phone app. R7 is an option, but also more expensive, and with finicky autolockouts from what I hear.

And at $370-$375, the Max 3 and iXc seem like a terrible value prop compared to the DualPro360.

What am I missing here? Is there any reason the DualPro 360 at its current $350 price is not the ultimate under-$500 detector for most people?
 
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If there are any DP360 units left for sale when BF rolls around this year you may get an amazing deal too!
 

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I didn't realize the DualPro 360 was priced at $350. At that price, the Cobra DualPro seems like the perfect option for a plug it in and forget it detector for, say, a spouse's car. I frankly don't understand how anyone can go back to a non-arrow detector after using arrows. My V1Gen2 is great and, with an app companion, better than my Max360/c, but it's 40% more expensive and requires messing with the phone app. R7 is an option, but also more expensive, and with finicky autolockouts from what I hear.

And at $370-$375, the Max 3 and iXc seem like a terrible value prop compared to the DualPro360.

What am I missing here? Is there any reason the DualPro 360 at its current $350 price is not the ultimate under-$500 detector for most people?
As long as my detector tells me to slow down when I need to, I don't care where the radar is coming from
 

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Max 360 has a big bulbous case, biggest of all until MaxCam 360 showed up. Buttons wear off to unreadable quickly.
I will agree it is larger, but to me the massive front of the R7 is larger.
Max 360 has no ability to segment bands, on or off only. More false alerts on K and Ka because of that. Both the Max 360 and 360c falsed lots on Ka and that's why I sold them.
My M360 rarely, if ever, falsed on Ka. My G2 will false multiple times on Ka on any given road trip where the M360c only alerted to real Ka threats.
Max 360c is improved in those areas and other features.
It does offer segmentation, but unless you have a vehicle that trips a false Ka alert to me it is not needed, IMO.
Max 360 has perhaps the best arrows display however.
I agree, I much prefer the M360 arrows over the M360c's. I'm also happy with the RL360c arrows too.
 

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My M360 rarely, if ever, falsed on Ka. My G2 will false multiple times on Ka on any given road trip where the M360c only alerted to real Ka threats
My M360 had ridiculous Ka falses.
In most non-police used segments, which I couldn't turn off. It also have episodes of narcolepsy, going blind and mute to radar signals.
M360c had annoying Ka seg 4 Ka falses every time I started driving. Had to reboot to stop it.
Both were not long in my collection.
The DP360 (x2) is very resistant to Ka falsing in comparison. Better than the R360c in that regard.
R7 is the best for resisting Ka in my experience.
DS1 has had enough in the short time I've had it to make me turn Ka filter on and off to see if it helps.
My V1G2 has had the most Ka falses by a mile.
Today I enjoyed my Ka box in JBV1 that muted one of those 34.348 detector falses.
Nice to see it in action, knowing if it ramps up I get the alert, like a weak filter.
I guess the summary is they all can Ka false. I get rid of the ones deemed unacceptable.
 

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My M360 had ridiculous Ka falses.
In most non-police used segments, which I couldn't turn off. It also have episodes of narcolepsy, going blind and mute to radar signals.
M360c had annoying Ka seg 4 Ka falses every time I started driving. Had to reboot to stop it.
Both were not long in my collection.
The DP360 (x2) is very resistant to Ka falsing in comparison. Better than the R360c in that regard.
R7 is the best for resisting Ka in my experience.
DS1 has had enough in the short time I've had it to make me turn Ka filter on and off to see if it helps.
My V1G2 has had the most Ka falses by a mile.
Today I enjoyed my Ka box in JBV1 that muted one of those 34.348 detector falses.
Nice to see it in action, knowing if it ramps up I get the alert, like a weak filter.
I guess the summary is they all can Ka false. I get rid of the ones deemed unacceptable.
I almost never experienced Ka falses with my Max360c. My V1G2 by comparison Ka falses a ton. Prior to the V1G2, I assumed every Ka alert was a cop. Now, it's maybe 50/50 or less. I will say that the massive Ka range is probably making this "problem" appear worse because I'm sure there are times that I pick up Ka from a real LEO that I never actually cross paths with.
 

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I almost never experienced Ka falses with my Max360c. My V1G2 by comparison Ka falses a ton. Prior to the V1G2, I assumed every Ka alert was a cop. Now, it's maybe 50/50 or less. I will say that the massive Ka range is probably making this "problem" appear worse because I'm sure there are times that I pick up Ka from a real LEO that I never actually cross paths with.
Yeah it's interesting how everyone's experiences differ. For me, Ka false alert rankings from best to worst are:
  1. Max360Ci (Seg 9/10 off)
  2. Max/Max360 (full sweeps)
  3. R7 (still get unexplained 34.699/34.700 1 blip falses that don't come to fruition. Not as frequent as some of the detectors below but super annoying in that they're always 34.7 falses which are unfortunate in CA)
  4. V1G2 (as I mentioned in my long term thoughts, it's a bit chatty for me on the Ka side especially on 33.8 and non-LEO frequencies, CS is a must)
It's still too soon for me to rank the MaxCam360. So far it's been quiet on Ka but I noticed it is segged by default, and 5 hours is not enough driving time to make a conclusion.
 

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So hate to say this... as I was limited to test a Max 3 vs a RL360c... thx to Vortex to handle... .and more to in future as he has before.

Be nice to see an interior visual disassemble Johnny 5 of the iXc and Max 3 in hand/visual.

To breakdown, of the Max3 and RL360c was like a DFR9 vs R7 world. The feel was nicer on the Escort on weight in hand, like a solid unit vs a light weight Uniden. The bad part on both, they each have their issues..... but, will say aesthetics can play into it.

Maybe more time one can provide on the iXc vs Max3 or Max3 vs RL360c.
 

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