DC Fluid New Detectors Driving Impressions: RL360c & Max 360c

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You have definitely gone through a fair amount of RD's lately! Sorry to hear that none of them really impressed you though, but I can't blame you as I agree to a point on most of them.

You seem to be getting a fair amount of either false alerts or delays while driving with these units in your vehicle. Is it possible something in your vehicle is causing this situation(s) that you don't realize?

My M360 has been great and only randomly received a Ka false a couple times shortly after starting, but not enough prove the source was not external. Yes, my RL360c has a pathetic K-band delay for the money it costs, but not to extent you are seeing with yours, but still unacceptable IMO.

Have you tried running these RD's in another vehicle to see if you can duplicate your results?
I have run briefly in another vehicle, but not enough to confirm anything.
I have a hard time swallowing that a plain old pickup with no aftermarket anything could be doing this, when 7 out of ten detectors are flawless in operation.
The one common denominator is Escort premium detectors. (DP360 excluded)

Has anyone experienced the Vioffo A119 V3 causing Escort issues?
That and my phone seem to be the only sources of possible contamination to the environment.
 

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As of today I am running a Max360 (no c) and I have not been experienced any of the disturbing and frustrating issues you are dealing with.
 

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Sorry, had some ibuprofen and a nap, will get onto it now.
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@DC Fluid, your tests have really changed my view on 2 of my detectors: the RL360c and the R7. I was starting to hang my high-priced RL360c on a BlendMount. Now I am thinking more of my R7. I very recently had a quiet trip along the front range of Salt Lake City I-15 using my R7 with settings from a post you made March 2, 2021. Besides that, I like the offset viewing display of the R7 over the flat display of the RL360c.
 

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@DC Fluid, your tests have really changed my view on 2 of my detectors: the RL360c and the R7. I was starting to hang my high-priced RL360c on a BlendMount. Now I am thinking more of my R7. I very recently had a quiet trip along the front range of Salt Lake City I-15 using my R7 with settings from a post you made March 2, 2021. Besides that, I like the offset viewing display of the R7 over the flat display of the RL360c.
Display is a big one with me.
The RL360 and Max 360c both seem bright side by side with R7, but when the light hits them, no contest on readability. The sunlight doesn't diminish the R7 display as easily as the Escorts.
Even up under my headliner, in daylight the Escorts fade out to barely adequate, while R7 never leaves me needing more.
Same with alert tone volumes, and choice of tones. More power to the R7 there.
Everything I've seen so far gives reception range advantage to the Redline, by a hair over R7.
Max 360c is competent, but is noticably down to the other 2 in outright performance.
After today's drive, I may rank Max 360c 3rd for BSM and reliability. It wasn't its day.
 

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I haven't liked a new Escort since they brought out the passport. I had the original Escort until the V1G1. The passport sucked compared to the original Escort, I looked at what ever came after the Escort, but had to go with the V1. I can't remember details, but from time to time, I have looked at other Escorts, but they never impressed me. Other brand detectors always seemed second tier. The R7 is the first detector that I've liked and that is only because the K sucks so much on the V1G2! The R7 isn't a bad detector, I just don't have a trust factor with it yet....
 

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I haven't liked a new Escort since they brought out the passport. I had the original Escort until the V1G1. The passport sucked compared to the original Escort, I looked at what ever came after the Escort, but had to go with the V1. I can't remember details, but from time to time, I have looked at other Escorts, but they never impressed me. Other brand detectors always seemed second tier. The R7 is the first detector that I've liked and that is only because the K sucks so much on the V1G2! The R7 isn't a bad detector, I just don't have a trust factor with it yet....
What I am having trouble coming to terms with is trusting the Escorts, because of repeated irregular behaviors.
The R7 and R3 have earned my trust.
The R7s never fail to be consistent and alerting to a radar source, quickly, accurately, with extreme range abilities. It is the detector I can't bear to leave behind, even on a drive with many other detectors aboard. It stays as my default serious driving detector. I will give the Redline every opportunity to step into that role, right now it's a fair bit of an underachiever.
The Redline has promise, but has sub-par support behind it that leaves me doubtful it's full potential will ever be seen, unless someone can hack its systems and give it 3rd party support.
As seen with the Max 360 series, how long now? Still can't banish the bugs or reach it's real potential. Seems like they aren't even trying, but in reality they don't have the skill set available to them.
 

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Well, trying out the firmware flash 3 times, make a wish, and get out driving again.
I'll be out of ideas if the Ka falsing continues.
I could turn off segment 4, which I was unable to do on the Max 360, but a little nervous if lockups may happen to this detecor too.
F**K, the detector just Ka falses 34.580 again, in my office, while I type this, because I was rebooting after firmware flashes, before updating Defender.
Am I getting another detector falsing to itself?
This happens at home or on the road.
Any ideas???
My Max360c falses to 34.580 too. I pretty much had to segment to 2,5,8 to eliminate the false alarms. I preferred to run 4 and 6 on too, but it was annoying. It normally would only give me these weird Ka frequencies for about 2-5minutes after powering on the Max360c (no matter the location) and the false alarms would go away.

Also, the last two “silent lockups” or sleeping incidents with my Max360c my detector was mounted nowhere near a speaker (FYI). I have tried to duplicate the sleeping incidents using a AC/DC adapter in my Home Office and powering on my Max360c for hours at a time, but it it always responds to my radar guns. I can’t duplicate it. It is so random. It sleeps when it wants to...lol.
 
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@DC Fluid has the best writeups and vids on this site. Now all he needs to do is to get that broken windshield replaced. 🤣
It's an insurance policy. About 10 years ago I got a rock hit. I replaced the windshield. About 2 weeks later, I got a new rock hit....replaced that windshield. Another month went by and I got another rock! So, 3rd time I left it. I still have that same crack, which is off to the passenger side, out of the main view. No more rocks or cracks......no new window. The plan has worked perfectly! ;)
 

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@DC Fluid , The two main “out of the norm” Ka false alarms I would sometimes get on my Max360c shortly after start up were 33.640 and 34.580 when running all of Ka. As I mentioned earlier, they would go away by about 5 minutes into the power cycle. This would happen in many different locations. I had to segment my Max360c on Ka to 2,5,8 to get rid of the false alarms.
 

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Okay, enough with the whining and moaning, blubbering in my tears, time to put up or shut up.

Here are videos of some drive today.
I first went out this morning with the wife for a mortgage renewal, so R7 was up to bat.
Not a peep, performed excellent as always, heavy Saturday noon traffic to the mall and back.
A relaxing trustworthy companion.
End review of R7.

Then I went out alone to go do truck stuff, and then drive all my previous routes that sent me into whiny B!tch mode in post #15.
Redline: A few BSM falses. No MRCD falses, but I blame that on the available traffic subjects at the time. No police encounters.
Was pleasant to have up, only nagging suspicions of possible Escort shenanigans and K band reactivity kept me from relaxing.
One such shenanigan was the lockout behavior.
See picture for what I describe.

I have one (1) and one only manual lockout in the entire downtown. I drove streets kms away from that lockout location, and still, the area was fully locked out to all K I received.
24.108 low to 24.212 high indicated in gray for door openers.
The RED 0,0 mark is the lockout location. Everything inside the orange dotted lines is locked out for all of K Band.
1.1 km radius. I see similar behavior from the Max 360c, done the same way in the same location.
:rolleyes:
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Now about that Redline K Band delay.
Is it my overactive imagination, or is the Redline 360c slower to react to K while moving??


Here it is quite clear to me that with exact same settings and vehicle, only minutes apart, that the Redline 360c when moving is indeed slower reacting to K Band radar than when stopped or bench tested.
Average times approximate:
Stopped 2.1 seconds avg.
Moving 3.1 seconds avg.

Test was also done with the Max 360c, would it be a repeat?



Results Max 360c:
Stopped 1.5 seconds avg
Moving 1.2 seconds avg

Now as I stated, other than this test and lockout Bizzaro world, the Redline didn't find any F350 trucks emitting BSM today, but I'm confident I will find more, as the Max 360 found several during its time to shine.
This one happened twice while I was parked eating a salad, both triggered by F350 trucks driving past.

This one was triggered following traffic that had no right to trigger a BSM or MRCD alert.
Several BSM alerts today from the Max 360c, even from Honda sedans in frequencies not normally seen by me. (24.154)


Again, the Ka falsing was painful on the Max 360c. 34.480, 35.480, 35.520.
The proliferation of 35.5 Ka falses is disturbing as it is one of the threats I face here.
This false alert lockup issue occurred 3 times today, all within the first few minutes of booting up.
A quick reboot resets the detector and the issue goes away until the next cycle.



Finally, I will end with a positive encounter, RCMP 34.7 alert, and a display of real life encounter of arrow transitions.
Note I have been trying different colors, to get a better visual of the screen than the red that washes out even on a cloudy day. I like the red and amber choices (spec FR2) as the front arrow in red or amber show up better and give me a better threat alert to my caveman brain than green, and blue seems to be washed out a bit on the arrow. But I like blue display, just the arrow doesn't work for me.

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My Max360c falses to 34.580 too. I pretty much had to segment to 2,5,8 to eliminate the false alarms. I preferred to run 4 and 6 on too, but it was annoying. It normally would only give me these weird Ka frequencies for about 2-5minutes after powering on the Max360c (no matter the location) and the false alarms would go away.

Also, the last two “silent lockups” or sleeping incidents with my Max360c my detector was mounted nowhere near a speaker (FYI). I have tried to duplicate the sleeping incidents using a AC/DC adapter in my Home Office and powering on my Max360c for hours at a time, but it it always responds to my radar guns. I can’t duplicate it. It is so random. It sleeps when it wants to...lol.
My issue described in unnerving accuracy.
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@DC Fluid has the best writeups and vids on this site. Now all he needs to do is to get that broken windshield replaced. 🤣
Not until mid-May, when the roads are fairly cleared of winter stones.
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@DC Fluid , The two main “out of the norm” Ka false alarms I would sometimes get on my Max360c shortly after start up were 33.640 and 34.580 when running all of Ka. As I mentioned earlier, they would go away by about 5 minutes into the power cycle. This would happen in many different locations. I had to segment my Max360c on Ka to 2,5,8 to get rid of the false alarms.
Yep, looking into a mirror....
 
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Note: To avoid complicating any comparisons, all detectors are being tested while in Highway modes only.
The R7, which has most lockout locations in my city done, has been delivering Pro M AutoCity mode level of quiet, or better, while driving around on Highway mode. This is more than double K band range of the Pro M.
Outstanding.
With MRCD off, the Redline could be a very close 3rd place behind R7 & Pro M. It still has Auto mode in the bag of tricks for intense city driving.
Max 360c is a touch behind the Redline.
Both Escorts drop dramatically when MRCD is on, due to alerts from BSM cars.
 

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My 1500 km out of province essential worker trip with my new Escorts:
Redline 360c, Max 360c, R7, R3.

Went to Grande Prairie, Alberta for a work trip.
This city was the first visit for the Escorts.
R7 has been here a couple times but lockouts had been cleared with all the resets I've done the last year to compare against the backup R7 and Autolocking behaviour. R3 I got back from a coworker I loaned it out to last February on my trip to lower coast BC area.

LEO encounters:
None. Boring as fark.
Not a LEO seen other than a few in GP responding to a bank alarm downtown. 2 weeks of nothing.
I did have one scare on trip home yesterday, came around corner to see a Suburban LEO lookalike in a trap position, and I scrubbed speed rather obviously, and Sub started pulling out like to nab me.
Was just some civies in a copy cat Sub being annoying at the wrong time.
Saved the video but nothing dramatic.

Detector Thoughts:
Redline took the task of highway protection both ways. No encounters so all I can say is K Band door openers and BSM still exist, and in comparison to the R7 I believe my experience has R7 being slightly better in BSM, and more consistent with door openers, allowing better manual lockout decisions. I really used the R7 to confirm the hit or miss of the Escorts to decide if a K Band is a door opener or BSM.
Both Escorts showing many more BSM than R7, making lockout manually a tough decision.
I left manual lockouts alone on the Escorts for most part unless I was totally sure and Auto Lockouts didn't work after 3 passes.

The biggest fault of both Escorts is the excessive MRCD falsing.
I had a few brown streak moments with the Ka alert sounding off, until visually confirming it was MRCD alert.
This is unnerving in a city full of speed cams, RLC, and photo radar mobile vehicles.
While I never saw a MRCD photo vehicle, (city is going hard with them and media threats, signage etc.) the amount of falses makes them pretty annoying and makes you disregard them.
Multiple vehicle brands and models cause the falses.

I had an O-Sheet moment coming home yesterday when I pulled out to pass 2 cars, hit 160 in a 100, and MRCD went off just as I was alongside on opposite side of road. (2 lane goat trail highway lol).
Because the MRCD alert uses the Ka tone, and I was eyes on road passing with a lifted 4x4, the Ka tone was not welcome after I could spare a glance.
Thank goodness BC border was soon reached and MRCD was turned off. I realized I had MRCT on as well to see if I could pick up any intersection speed cameras. I didn't. But this may have added to the number of MR alerts to BSM.
BTW, not a peep from R7 to any MRCD/CT sources. Very quiet.

Also, the Defender Database has many more false camera locations it alerts to.
Uniden and HR (Waze) were much more accurate in identification of true and current locations.

Redline 360c and Max 360c both get quieter as auto lockouts get done, and within 3 days of regular routes only BSM and MRCD falses disturbed me.
R7 Autolockouts took longer and I did most manual to speed it up, as I wanted as many days with the Escorts as possible. R7 was far quieter when equal lockouts done.
All detectors were full Highway Mode at all times.
This was not possible previous years on R7 & R3. This city was K Band hell. Not anymore as recent improvements are very welcome by this user.

Final Thoughts:
All detectors were very good.
While no LEO encounters I did have somewhat higher level of trust with the Redline after this trip, maybe because I just did a 535 km drive in 4 hours 24 mins, that is a Google maps 6 hour drive? And no ticket lol?

Fix the MRCD Escort!
Fix the K Band reactivity/reaction time Escort!
Verify more Defender locations Escort!
Improve Auto Mute Memory Uniden!

I'm excited to hear about what @Heywood will think of my Cobra DualPro 360 with some more time testing it.
Looking forward to testing it out head to head with Max 360c.

Coming this spring (yes, still lots of snow through the Pine Pass and lakes just losing the ice here.) a detector shootout:
RL360c, R7 F135, R7 F137 Int, Max 360c, DP360
All bands.
Off axis Nechako course and a long distance course TBD.
Cheers.
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Oh yeah, forgot, still get the Max 360c Ka falsing after 1st start of the day, reboot and clears up.
Different city so not the environment.
Will have try it in the Pilot when given the chance.
 
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I'm a little late to this party. Thank you for all the reviewing DC! I'm gonna slam one or five shots for you given all the frustration you experienced with these. And it isn't even lunch time yet!

What is your opinion of arrow performance on R7 1.35 vs R360c?

It seems like ProM might still be the most compelling option against the MRCD threat. I say this because of the crying wolf effect. I've received a number of MRCD falses from my R7 and it sounds like the Escort products are far worse. People quickly learn to tune out falses. Those actually facing this threat will eventually have their asses handed to them if they've tuned out the MRCD alerts due to falses.
 

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I'm a little late to this party. Thank you for all the reviewing DC! I'm gonna slam one or five shots for you given all the frustration you experienced with these. And it isn't even lunch time yet!

What is your opinion of arrow performance on R7 1.35 vs R360c?

It seems like ProM might still be the most compelling option against the MRCD threat. I say this because of the crying wolf effect. I've received a number of MRCD falses from my R7 and it sounds like the Escort products are far worse. People quickly learn to tune out falses. Those actually facing this threat will eventually have their asses handed to them if they've tuned out the MRCD alerts due to falses.
Arrows, currently the RL360 is better, however the multiple signals ghosting is bad, with LEO or K Band door openers.
R7 much better on threat count, and initial arrow direction if instant on.
R7 on 135 is poor on transition time to rear compared to previous 133, which narrowly bested the Max 360 which was very good.
Right now I give best arrows to Max 360c just because it is consistent and accurate in most aspects.

MRCD, I receive zero falses out of the R7, only to actual radar sources using MR radars.
Do you have MRCT cameras/sensors in your area? That could get as annoying as Defender constantly alerting to cameras long gone.
Shame the R7 doesn't have a MRCD & MRCT & Gatso choice like in the Pro M so you could turn off unnecessary alerts.
The excessive MRCD alerting to BSM is an Escort fail to me, much like a detector constantly falsing to Ka randomly throughout a drive.
 

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I've decided the Max 360c to be a great excuse to ride every street in the city 3 times this week, just got the ride onto the road for first trip this year.
Now I have one R7, R3 and Max360c all set with the steel plate for Ram mag mount.
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