DC Fluid New Detectors Driving Impressions: RL360c & Max 360c

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Good evening RDF'ers!
It's been a long day, I was up early to do maintenance on the wife's car, new brakes, tires change over, check it over after a long winter etc.
Drove to the garage I do my maintenance in, and used the 2 day old Redline 360c & the wife's Pro M. They played nicely together, I drove around for a while doing brake break-in. Some lockouts etc.
No real action or issues to report.
So I get home and shower up, and head out on a nice late afternoon for a good drive before supper.
I had the Redline, and my 1 day old Max 360c and R7. No radar guns in the vehicle today.

On the way downtown early into the drive, the Max 360c mounted low over the dash started to false Ka, on and off, wouldn't stop. I blamed this on having the Redline 360 also on, mounted up above my mirror drivers side. So I turned off the Redline. No change, Max 360c continues to false. This went on and off for some time.
Now some may remember I just sent back a new Max 360(no c) because of this same Ka false, where it would lock onto it and never stop, 1-2 beeps. In my driveway starting out, on my street, down the highway, just a bunch of inconsistent Ka falsing that no button pressing would stop. Only a reboot would quiet it until later.
Earlier today the Redline 360c false to segment 4 Ka, so I turned of 4 & 6, and now have just 2,5,8 turned on. More about the Redline later...

So after the big build up, here's the theory of what I have as a probable cause for Max 360c & Max 360 & Redline 360c (1 occasion only) to false.
You'll see in my videos, the mounting location of the detectors is right above the center stereo speaker.
When I reversed location of the Max & Redline all falsing stopped. That's right, when the Max 360c, and by memory the Max 360 as well, do not false when above the mirror by the roofline, but only when directly over that speaker.

Someone educate me, but didn't some Escorts have trouble falsing to the magnetic mount until corrected later?

So with a strong magnet in the speaker, plus electricity as I had the stereo on, may be the cause of the Ka falsing, because it only happens when in that location center of dash above speaker.
The Max 360(no c) I posted totally locked up and unresponsive to radar guns while in this location.
My normal driving location is above the mirror, but I have mounts down low so my action cam can catch videos of testing and encounters.

So it's when I'm trying to have an RDF video friendly detector location that I have issues.
I'm going to be running some extended times mounted high and away from that speaker now, and report back if issues disappear.
I know there is history here regarding Max series lockups and falsing, does anyone else have issues down close to the dash, or are you still having issues mounted up high away from any magnetic sources?

Max 360c falsing video:

Lockouts:
Escort is easy to make an area quiet.
Both the Max and Red with a manual lockout, shuts down K Band for a good portion of my downtown, for quite a large frequency spread.
See here with one lockout on my first drive into downtown, that the Max 360c locks out every K signal regardless of frequency, for many blocks, about 2 kms.
The Redline had the exact same behavior the day before, with even more distance because it picked up the signals a little sooner and a little later.
However, this is not typical of every lockout, just where there are many K signals, and signal hardly ever drops off for the whole strip. Frequencies change after every building, but signal presence is fairly constant.
I think Escort continues to keep things locked out until its free of signal before resetting. Also it is combined with their really big lockout radius.

@Vortex
Now the really interesting thing about the Redline 360c, is when I got that 1 Ka false when over the speaker, I segmented to 2,5,8 after that.
Segmenting down to my minimum requirements, the K Band starts perking up and instead of taking 3-5 seconds to alert to a radar gun or K door opener, it starts reacting faster and more door openers are speaking up.
Previous locked out areas totally silent, now I get 2 -3 chirp K alerts that were missed with slower K reactions when I had 2,4,5,6,8 enabled.
This definitely may play into the amount of BSM that break through the filtering as well.

Onto the fun stuff.
Had a LEO in town running around C/O and then he parked shooting Ka 34.7 down the main highway bypass.
Not sure it he had rear turned on but I only got 1 frequency from him and his ass was behind a bank building.
Some good receptions, arrow transitions here.
Redline 360 and Max 360c trade back and forth on whose arrows work better.
Red has better volume and clarity, and auto mute high, the Max is quieter and sadder sounding than Red, I might even turn Red to Med auto mute setting.
R7 kills them both on volume level, and selection of tones.
COME ON ESCORT! Add the choice of the Bel tones to the detectors with firmware update. You already have it in the DualPro 360, give us an option here!

I don't normally run 2 detectors, but tonight I was screwing around, getting a feel for them, discovering things, doing some lockouts of known locations, just tooling around. Opportunity knocks and turn on the cameras! I never had another issue after moving Max up top away from speaker.
Here I meet LEO for first time tonight. You can watch the ramp up and arrow change. At the end, Red Light Camera overrides the Ka alert, but it looks like right as I ended video Ka came back.

Here I come at the radar head on, Red beats up on Max here, after Max seemed to hold it's own earlier.

Here I come from behind LEO with Red and Max

And last, the one your waiting for, Redline 360c vs. R7 F135 against the RCMP 34.7

Other observations.
Uniden R7 is so reliably consistent. The ramp ups of both Escorts are really choppy, and they must have a short latch time during an alert or something, as they are always wobbling up and down, audio too, even in the kill zones at times. The R7 seems smooth and progressive and less flustered during an alert.
Redline looks the part, very Darth Vaderish. I like color red, because REDline duh! Well no I really like the red arrow for forward direction on alerts, green to the rear. Blue and amber are slightly better to see in the stronger light but the blue front arrow is less visible. Good thing I'm running these all high under the headliner then, so I can see the unfortunately small and dim displays. Well not really all that dim, just easily washed out by light, even on a cloudy day. R7 wins here every possible scenario I can conduct.
The Max 360c may even be a tad dimmer than the Redline, making the issue worse.

Redline has the goods on range, that is becoming apparent more and more. Worth twice the price of my R7? No, not yet, on performance at least. But it does have some premium qualities that add some value for sure.
Max 360c, more evaluations to come. It's been great so far, other than seemingly allergic to my speaker, or whatever is under that dash.
Will it beat out the Cobra Dual Pro cousin? (DP360 a detector I really learned to like and respect) Feature wise yes, but at almost double the price again. for similar protection. Did Escort knock a bit of performance out of the DP360 to keep the E name as the premier brand? Wil the DP360 false to the speaker, like all 3 Escorts? I will find out when I get all my toys back under one roof.

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Great commentary! Thanks for your time and contributions here!

The 360/360(c), lock up behavior when mounted in close vicinity to a car speaker might be worthy of its own tread.
 

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@Vortex @OBeerWANKenobi @Brainstorm69
I have an egg in face moment to confess.
I moved the Max 360c up and away from the dash speaker area, by using my mount near roofline.
I then tried mounting the Redline 360 up under my mirror like a Blendmount would be.
Went driving with the Bushnell for checking.
No more Ka falsing.
Both detectors were working great, nice and quiet.
Quiet...........
Did a check with Bushnell and no alert from either detector.
Gun check, okay.
Kept trying and after about 20 seconds the Redline came alive, nothing from Max 360c.
I had to reboot it.

When running one detector, up and away from the dash, no problems yet.
Two Escorts within 12 inches of each other and game over, locked up both.

If there is to be an example of why not, and possible consequences, copy paste my name to failure of near epic proportions. (Because doing 30 over while driving like this I escaped the embarrassment of disco dance).
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Bring on the I Told You So.
 
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Hey, props for letting us know this happened. Now we have another example and you can join us in warning others of the dangers of "crossing the streams".

@Brainstorm69 is meaner than me though, he might give you a homework assignment.
 

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This stuff takes a tremendous amount of your time and energy. Thanks for doing these tests to help us all. Much appreciated 😊👍🏻
Thanks.
Yup, I need to divert some more time back to family and home.
Before I dig myself deeper.
 

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So today some short drives with only the Max 360c on.
Never locked up to radar. Good.
Locked on to mysterious Ka False just like Max 360 did. (Bad) Had to reboot then fine.
BT connection to app wasn't working. Hint, don't try to set up a second phone to do detector adjustments or your primary won't work unless you forget it in your phone BT settings and do setup over again. (Bad)
So I will continue to see if this detector will cause Ka issues, or lock up. If so, I'm not replacing the truck or phone, as they are just fine with every other piece of tech and RD I own.
Even the DualPro 360 has been trouble free. Maxes not.
The Max name taking a beating in my possession. Max 3, Max 360 now the 360c all are the only detectors to cause me grief.
(Please Redline 360, don't make a liar out of me)
Video to come.....
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Well, trying out the firmware flash 3 times, make a wish, and get out driving again.
I'll be out of ideas if the Ka falsing continues.
I could turn off segment 4, which I was unable to do on the Max 360, but a little nervous if lockups may happen to this detecor too.
F**K, the detector just Ka falses 34.580 again, in my office, while I type this, because I was rebooting after firmware flashes, before updating Defender.
Am I getting another detector falsing to itself?
This happens at home or on the road.
Any ideas???
 
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I was thinking that the crack in your windshield might be contributing to your issue. It looks like both detectors are mounted right on the crack. The crack will reflect and sometimes magnify either a bogus or real signal. This is possible but do you think it may be probable?
 

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I was thinking that the crack in your windshield might be contributing to your issue. It looks like both detectors are mounted right on the crack. The crack will reflect and sometimes magnify either a bogus or real signal. This is possible but do you think it may be probable?
Well, same results from 3 different locations, trying to get away from any interference.
And a crack? No. It would be a Max 360 exclusive feature....
 

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I was thinking that the crack in your windshield might be contributing to your issue. It looks like both detectors are mounted right on the crack. The crack will reflect and sometimes magnify either a bogus or real signal. This is possible but do you think it may be probable?
Now I have some experience with this! Cracked windshields are a way of life where I live and as such I've had the opportunity to test just this. There is absolutely no affect with cracks that can be measured. Now I've not tested a shattered glass, but his isn't.
 

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Now I have some experience with this! Cracked windshields are a way of life where I live and as such I've had the opportunity to test just this. There is absolutely no affect with cracks that can be measured. Now I've not tested a shattered glass, but his isn't.
Hahaha, I have a better than 50% chance of surviving June to September without breaking a windshield.
I can't remember in my lifetime getting through winter without a new crack or rock smash.
 

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Warning: The following opinions may upset some readers. Reader discretion is advised.

Disclaimer: I have been an Escort fan for decades. Only recently, since June 2019 have I run something other since 2005. Original 8500, 9500 etc. I had really had highest hopes Escort could provide me with a product worthy of the price and name, which explains all my recent expenditures on their top models. This is not malicious bashing by a lover of other brands.

I have done some more driving and evaluating of my 2 newest Escorts.
While they have redeeming features and abilities, my focus right now in my peeved off mood, is on the negatives.
I will list the ones that most come to mind.
Unfortunately, my dash cam sound had been turned off trying to lock a file, so I won't post any video unless someone wants pop up narrative with no detector or action in sight. (Worthless IMO)

Escort Live: POS. What can I say. BT horrible. Switching between the Max 360c & RL360c causes me to lose any connection. One use fine, next kaput. Except when the damn app takes control of my phone and starts giving me Ka or laser alerts, while in my house, 2 hours after driving. No detector on for hours. Then when I do turn on a detector, 1/2 hour of redoing BT connections, rebooting detector, phone, deleting and reinstalling app, then finally it works.
Keeps prompting for permissions no matter how many times I say "just while using app".
Keeps turning on in the back ground.
I basically have to remove all permissions and turn off detector BT just to have a decent drive.
Worst app I've ever run. WAPOS.

Max 360c: The best of the Max series?? Well, most features, I had high hopes.
I have nothing other than a stock 2013 F150 interior, and one Pixel 4XL phone in the vehicle.
Tried 4 different mounting locations, power cords, multiple firmware flashes, formatting, deleting everything and starting fresh...
This thing falses each and every drive, within the first 5 minutes to Ka 34.580. 1-2 bars, for 30 seconds on/off, or continuously until I unplug and reboot it. Then it's fine for the rest of the time.
It totally locked up on me once, I blame it on having a second detector on, or near a speaker in my dash. Both of those possibilities have been removed.
Still having a hard time to trust it.

Trying to run with MRCD on, to see how it will behave when I get to Alberta in a couple weeks.
Seeing if it will be falsing to MRCD from F350 trucks, like the Redline 360 reportedly does.
Didn't see a single F350 truck trigger me, but I tried.
Unfortunately, something else does.
MRCD falsing occurring about 4 times per hour to other traffic BSM. Strength meter shows 1-2 bars during these falses.
Detector is fairly quiet otherwise, some BSMs like Buick SUV 24.165-7 pop up, CX-5s, a few others, but livable.

If I can get rid of the Ka falsing every startup of the day, and don't need MRCD, then it would be livable.
Underwhelming considering the price though.

Redline 360c: Well I was really looking up to this one, let me tell you.
Many glowing reviews on this forum and other places.
I figured, with a tiny bit of range advantage over the R7, great BSM filtering and other standard Escort treats, how could I go wrong? It would deliver the goods right?

Great range, shit reactivity. I once again tried to compare my bench test time reaction times, while driving down the road.
I get almost double the delay out of the Redline on K band when moving along in my truck, whether radar gun is inside or outside, pointed in any direction, even straight up out open sunroof. I give up. The RL360 just seems to be shite against I/O K Band, GPS filtering must be making it worse when moving fast. Max 3 reactivity or worse, but for more than double the price.

Ka encounters with 34.7 RCMP tonight. A pattern repeats with even worse results.
A 1/4 mile down the road RCMP shoots I/O 34.7 at me, the Redline lights up to the REAR!
And starts showing 4 bogeys, still lit up rear arrow, until LEO can see the whites of my eyes, it finally switches to front arrow, I pass LEO, and it stays on the front until signal fades out, as he turned it off after a few hundred yards.
I was legitimately looking in my rear mirrors trying to find the full blast I/O shot! When I knew the LEO was ahead, but I had to believe a second one was upon me because of the full tilt rear arrows!!

MRCD: Well I thought the Max 360c had issues. This fckin thing alerts every few minutes, for long alerts, to nothing I can ID as source. No Ford trucks in sight. A Toyota RAV4?? 24.175. Multiple times alerting in a low populated semi rural lite traffic area.

If that wasn't bad enough, on Highway mode, as I was on a rural highway, the detector BSM falsed to multiple cars.
24.165, 24.167, over and over. Definitely one was a Buick SUV with no nametag on the rear hatch, could be a new Enclave?

Ka detection is it's strength, but arrows are wonky, comically so. (nooo, I'm not laughing)
The multiple bogeys thing I see with every LEO or my own guns.
At least so far Ka falsing hasn't occurred.

Summary:
I spent a shite tone of money recently to have high end Escorts that I could test with, drive with, recommend to others, and hang on my wife's windshield. But she'll be hanging out with the consistently NO issues Pro M for now.
It's not like I even have a remotely challenging environment here, or some complex vehicle.
Can't trust either, constant nerves with the I/O Ka and some K here.
My speeds reduced by nerves to within 10 kph for most driving right now with these products.
What is the only detector from Escort I feel comfortable with on my dash, out of these I have all had at one time since Christmas 2020 : Max 3, DualPro 360, Max 360, Max 360c, Redline 360c

The frickin Cobra DualPro 360!!
It hasn't done one thing wrong!
Sucky little arrows, but they work. (Max 360 arrows worked best so far, Max 360c I expect similar)
A few BSMs here and there, one of the quietest detectors out of all.
Never a problem with alerting to any radar gun I have.
Has been consistent in behavior around the city.
Excellent reactivity (no R7, but I'll take it).
This is the one I would put up on my wife's WS, or my own.

The rest of the class needs to pick up it's act.
Come on Escort!! WTF??

P.S. If anybody knows why I can't get the premium Escorts to behave like they should, let me know.
Every other detector absolutely has no issues with me.

Rant over, heading to the liquor cabinet.
DC out.
 

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This is really a shame. You gave these detectors a fair chance and they did not meet your expectations. I never have an never will run any iteration of the Max, however, issues with the Redline are of particular concern as that is not a Max platform.

As for Live!, well, this is a broken record but it needs to be said. I had it paired with the Redline EX. Live first disabled all K band segments by itself, then it went and disabled all bands and segments by itself. That app is dangerous IMO. It blows my mind that we have incredible apps like JBV1, Highway Radar, V1 Driver, V1 Companion and YaV1 developed by unpaid individuals but a corporate app is filled with bugs.
 

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Say it ain't so. @Heywood is going to ask for video proof now, because it's just unfreakingbelievable that this thing falses like no other with MRCD enabled. Lol!

If he does, I got the video proof.
 

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Unfortunately I feel the same way about the Redline360. It is just not good. Poor arrow behavior, awful/no ramp up, low speed behavior sucks. I still can’t get an account in EL to work. Used the computer to update it from 1.6 to 1.7 after initial impressions were pretty bad.

This thing is not REDY.
 

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You have definitely gone through a fair amount of RD's lately! Sorry to hear that none of them really impressed you though, but I can't blame you as I agree to a point on most of them.

You seem to be getting a fair amount of either false alerts or delays while driving with these units in your vehicle. Is it possible something in your vehicle is causing this situation(s) that you don't realize?

My M360 has been great and only randomly received a Ka false a couple times shortly after starting, but not enough prove the source was not external. Yes, my RL360c has a pathetic K-band delay for the money it costs, but not to extent you are seeing with yours, but still unacceptable IMO.

Have you tried running these RD's in another vehicle to see if you can duplicate your results?
 

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