POP in NC on I-85 in Trinity/Archdale/HP (exits 108-111)

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Recently got a Escort Redline 360c and been reading about various setting and setting based on different states. Everywhere I’ve read states POP is rarely used and recommends turning it off. 2 days this week on the interstate POP has went off where known cops are. I think it’s possibly the Randolph County sheriffs. State troopers are popular in this area too, but they’re usually KA 35.485. Is this common in NC? Are they actually using POP?
 

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Hello @b2flyer23. I can't answer your question about POP but it is generally not known to be used and apparently unsupportable in court. Your case may be different and I hope someone here can give you credible advice.
 

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Ka POP is a feature of some of MPH Industries Ka band RADAR guns. These guns main frequency is 33.8 Ghz. If you see a lot of 33.8 Ka Band, then that may give credibility to the POP hits.

You won't get POP coming from a 35.5 Ghz Decatur or 34.7 Ghz Stalker RADAR gun, as they are different manufacturers who don't hold the patent or have any licensed rights to use POP.

Ka POP can be used to preview speed, but it should not be used as the prima facie evidence of speeding. In layman's terms, a cop can hit you with POP, but they also need to use another method of speed verification itself; the specific method will vary depending on the applicable State laws, and department standards.

I've been hit with Ka POP from behind, and then subsequently paced, before being stopped. Ka POP came about 30 seconds before the officer caught up to me to pace me from behind. A Utah Highway Patrol officer had borrowed an unmarked vehicle belonging to Lehi City, that was equipped with an MPH Bee III system. I got off with a written warning.

Just realize that POP does exist. No, they aren't supposed to issue a citation on it alone, but imagine trying to challenge an officer's testimony in court; everything would be stacked against you. Realize that just because an officer shouldn't do something, doesn't mean he won't do something.

The point of having a detector that can accurately detect POP is to give you a chance to slow down before the officer uses an approved method of measuring your speed such as pacing, instant on and or constant on, while obtaining tracking.

Are there lots of POP falses with some detectors? Yes, some more so than others. The Escort M3, M4, M5, M6 platforms false to it fairly often. I can't speak to the M7 and M12 platforms as I haven't used them. The Uniden R3 and R7 have rarely falsed to Ka POP in my experience, and have been incredibly accurate. Turn Ka filtering on to increase confidence in the alerts.
 

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I'm also from NC and I'm 99.9% sure that you didn't get hit with pop. First of all like @sdrawkcaB said it would have to be 33.8 and while I've heard other members from NC say they've been shot with 33.8, the Troopers shoot 34.7 and 35.5. I can't imagine a deputy sheriff or town cop with a Bee III setup in NC playing around with pop! I've had plenty of my detectors alert to pop while it was turned on and it was always a cheap radar detector that caused it. Nothing is impossible, but this is highly unlikely. If I was you, I'd turn pop off and see if you get hit with some 33.8. If you do then by all means let us know! BTW, I've lived in NC most of my life and driven all over the state and still never been hit with it! @LinuxD has seen it quite a bit in and around Rocky Mount however and that's only around 50 miles away from me so you never know!
 
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^^^ I'm with @Kennyc56. I've never seen POP in NC and I can't even recall the last time I was hit with 33.8. I think you possibly have something else going on to give you that warning. You might want to post in the Escort section to see if anyone else has experienced that with the RL360c.
 

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^^^ I'm with @Kennyc56. I've never seen POP in NC and I can't even recall the last time I was hit with 33.8. I think you possibly have something else going on to give you that warning. You might want to post in the Escort section to see if anyone else has experienced that with the RL360c.
At the same time as the POP alert, I had alerts at 33.783 and confirmed visual of multiple officers. Then 10 minutes later I had an alert at 35.842. Then I just check yesterday’s alert history in the escort App, and I had a confirmed alert at 35.485, where I saw him hiding and then 2 minutes later had a 35.842 alert. So maybe there is something going on and I’ll cross post over in the Escort Section.
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I'm also from NC and I'm 99.9% sure that you didn't get hit with pop. First of all like @sdrawkcaB said it would have to be 33.8 and while I've heard other members from NC say they've been shot with 33.8, the Troopers shoot 34.7 and 35.5. I can't imagine a deputy sheriff or town cop with a Bee III setup in NC playing around with pop! I've had plenty of my detectors alert to pop while it was turned on and it was always a cheap radar detector that caused it. Nothing is impossible, but this is highly unlikely. If I was you, I'd turn pop off and see if you get hit with some 33.8. If you do then by all means let us know! BTW, I've lived in NC most of my life and driven all over the state and still never been hit with it! @LinuxD has seen it quite a bit in and around Rocky Mount however and that's only around 50 miles away from me so you never know!
I got 35.842 hits the last 2 days on that stretch of interstate on my home to work commute. Sounds like though maybe something else is going on causing those alerts.
 

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The way I see it is...... even though POP can't be used Legally for a citation, it can (although not widely) be used to check someone's speed AND with a high percentage of not being detected by drivers using countermeasures (due to the settings for detection being turned off by the used because it's not something that in their area can be legally used for a citation), law enforcement officers can use it to check speeds AND to stay (relatively) hidden from drivers running countermeasures.

So.... a user of countermeasures will need to decide for themselves wheatear or not to have POP enabler or disabled solely based on their circumstances & comfort level. In a more basic term, how comfortable the used is with the reaction time to a valid targeting that their countermeasures will increase or decrease based on their settings for POP and their willingness or not to see more potential falsest (similar to BMS faults) when they have POP enabled.

There's nothing that says that law enforcement can't use POP to check a vehicles speed. They (in most places) can't write you a citation with POP as the soul speed determination used.

As Clint Eastwood (aka Dirty Harry) said.... "Do you feel lucky?" (<- the exact phrase might not be correct, but us should get the gist of it...)
 

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At the same time as the POP alert, I had alerts at 33.783 and confirmed visual of multiple officers. Then 10 minutes later I had an alert at 35.842. Then I just check yesterday’s alert history in the escort App, and I had a confirmed alert at 35.485, where I saw him hiding and then 2 minutes later had a 35.842 alert. So maybe there is something going on and I’ll cross post over in the Escort Section.
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I got 35.842 hits the last 2 days on that stretch of interstate on my home to work commute. Sounds like though maybe something else is going on causing those alerts.
We see a lot of 35.5 in NC and we're all happy to see the NCHP moving to more 34.7, but don't see much/any 33.8 which is why some of us are wondering about it possibly being another detector giving you the false POP alert. The world is full of surprises and stranger things have happened so let us know if you get any more alerts.
 

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I was hit with 33.8 in western NC near Morganton back in October, as I passed an unmarked Charger Pursuit AWD in opposite lanes of I-40. Wasn't POP encounter, but beware.

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I was hit with 33.8 in western NC near Morganton back in October, as I passed an unmarked Charger Pursuit AWD in opposite lanes of I-40. Wasn't POP encounter, but beware.

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Wow! That's good to know! Beware is right!
 

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33.8 is around Rocky Mount but I have never seen POP used. 99.9% chance if you see 33.8 itis RMPD.. Edgecombe county uses 35.5, Nash County, not sure. It's kinda odd as Rocky Mount is in 2 counties.
 
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I recently made a trip to Ohio, Highway 2 - Port Clinton and Sandusky. I used to see a ton of X band thru there, now all I saw was 33.8. Some were marked on Waze and most were somewhat silent with the occasional alert on 33.8, didn't see any laser like normal, too cold maybe... Now, this is Ohio so... At first I didn't have POP on, hadn't seen this there before, but then I got'ta thinkin' on my way home... I turned POP On and of course I didn't see any more to confirm, however, I will definitely be running POP On next time thru there.
 

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Ka POP is a feature of some of MPH Industries Ka band RADAR guns. These guns main frequency is 33.8 Ghz. If you see a lot of 33.8 Ka Band, then that may give credibility to the POP hits.

You won't get POP coming from a 35.5 Ghz Decatur or 34.7 Ghz Stalker RADAR gun, as they are different manufacturers who don't hold the patent or have any licensed rights to use POP.

Ka POP can be used to preview speed, but it should not be used as the prima facie evidence of speeding. In layman's terms, a cop can hit you with POP, but they also need to use another method of speed verification itself; the specific method will vary depending on the applicable State laws, and department standards.

I've been hit with Ka POP from behind, and then subsequently paced, before being stopped. Ka POP came about 30 seconds before the officer caught up to me to pace me from behind. A Utah Highway Patrol officer had borrowed an unmarked vehicle belonging to Lehi City, that was equipped with an MPH Bee III system. I got off with a written warning.

Just realize that POP does exist. No, they aren't supposed to issue a citation on it alone, but imagine trying to challenge an officer's testimony in court; everything would be stacked against you. Realize that just because an officer shouldn't do something, doesn't mean he won't do something.

The point of having a detector that can accurately detect POP is to give you a chance to slow down before the officer uses an approved method of measuring your speed such as pacing, instant on and or constant on, while obtaining tracking.

Are there lots of POP falses with some detectors? Yes, some more so than others. The Escort M3, M4, M5, M6 platforms false to it fairly often. I can't speak to the M7 and M12 platforms as I haven't used them. The Uniden R3 and R7 have rarely falsed to Ka POP in my experience, and have been incredibly accurate. Turn Ka filtering on to increase confidence in the alerts.
Don’t forget about kustom... they are 35.5 as well.
 

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I have a friend who lives up in Oxford. They really do like sitting in those Median spots along I-85.
 

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I have a friend who lives up in Oxford. They really do like sitting in those Median spots along I-85.
And it’s daily where I’m at. I say 4 out of 5 days on my commute to and from work, there will be everything from NCHP, county sheriff and even the city police crowd the tree filled medians along 85.
 

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And it’s daily where I’m at. I say 4 out of 5 days on my commute to and from work, there will be everything from NCHP, county sheriff and even the city police crowd the tree filled medians along 85.
The medians were always rough and well hidden on I-85, even when you get into VA.
 

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I've seen on several occasions NCHP sitting on the On Ramp to I-85 South @ Exit 206.
And the ones that I saw were selectively shooting IO Ka.
I think that was the area I was nailed a few years ago. The Trooper I/O'ed me as I passed by the ramp driving home from Washington DC. I never saw him until my detector went off. He pulled me over at the next exit ramp and luckily just checked my license and let me off with a warning. I think I got lucky because it was late on a Friday night (midnight) and he was probably fishing for DUI's. When he saw that I wasn't drinking and still in my business suit, he checked everything and let me go pretty quickly. Another example of why you should never be the rabbit :). I was in a hurry to get home and it almost resulted in an expensive mistake.
 

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