Tesla unveils new interior for Model S

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I really don't know how Tesla expects drivers to make quick U-turn or similar steering maneuvers with that flight sim yoke. I guess they don't expect drivers to do any kind of steering anymore other than holding the steering thingie to keep autopilot engaged? 🤷‍♂️
 

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I really don't know how Tesla expects drivers to make quick U-turn or similar steering maneuvers with that flight sim yoke. I guess they don't expect drivers to do any kind of steering anymore other than holding the steering thingie to keep autopilot engaged? 🤷‍♂️
I'd be surprised if the steering wheel makes it to actual production, I believe there are mandated overall shapes/dimensions that they have to conform to.
 

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With a steering set-up like that I would assume it would be 180 degree lock to lock.
 

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what kills me is that interior isn't 80k worthy , I was hoping they'd have it right this time.
Its more luxurious In the VR headset with a real yoke in hand for flight sim
 

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what kills me is that interior isn't 80k worthy , I was hoping they'd have it right this time.
Its more luxurious In the VR headset with a real yoke in hand for flight sim

Make that not 140k worthy if you opt for the Plaid +
 

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Claimed 520 miles? Lets see what its actual numbers are when its tested.
 

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what kills me is that interior isn't 80k worthy , I was hoping they'd have it right this time.
Its more luxurious In the VR headset with a real yoke in hand for flight sim
RS2 or GT2/3 interior are not worthy of their decent six figure price. :)
 

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The new interior is an improvement but in my opinion its still the weakest link...it is terrible and where do spend most of your time....if they invested money improving that then I think they would have a much more desirable car...
 

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With a steering set-up like that I would assume it would be 180 degree lock to lock.
Exactly. I bet it's awesome. People apply their old constraints to new ideas.
It's probably highly variable with speed too. And you can probably adjust what you want.

And not having the top half of the wheel in front of the screen and road will be so cool too.
This close to release, I'm sure it will ship with that wheel. If it didn't I suspect more people would be upset than not.

My guess is price will be back down to where it was before refresh when most of old inventory is cleared out.
I love the interior on My X and I think they did a great job on the refresh.
 
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Claimed 520 miles? Lets see what its actual numbers are when its tested.
Yeah, it will probably be higher. Rarely does Tesla fall short of their early EPA estimates.
They are saying 520 minimum !! And that's with 3 performance motors.
I can't wait until they put that battery in the Dual Motor non performance.
 

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What are you talking about? Of all companies, Tesla is the most likely to not meet the estimates. As it is, they rarely meet them because they're based too much on ideal conditions that almost never occur in the real world. https://electrek.co/2021/02/10/tesla-range-estimates-put-into-question-independent-tests/

I said Tesla estimates of what EPA will rate it.
You can test cars wildly different ways and get wildly different numbers. Not doubting that.
Not arguing that EPA maybe isn't a good measure of EV's.

But I've only seen them come back the same or higher with official EPA numbers.

For my own experience I get about 10% better than EPA in the summer and 10% lower in Winter and end up pretty close to EPA on average year round on Model X. Plus I do some towing. I should average about 300 wh/mi to reach EPA. I'm at around 308 wh/mi average after 13K miles and almost 2 winters.

If I drove 10 mph faster on the highway I'd probably be 10% under. EPA tests are done at pretty slow speed and no HVAC.

Also the worst offender on that list is the 2018 Model 3 Performance. Back then "Performance" was an option on the base AWD (Performance was a Software unlock and 20" Wheels, bigger brakes). I had a Performance "Stealth" 3 with 18" wheels and later got 19". The EPA Rating was based on the base AWD model with 18" wheels. There was no claim on the cost of putting 20" Summer tires on it. Tesla now does lower the estimates when you change wheels (most of the time). Most Performance Models now are different trims and get their own EPA estimate.

Here is my Average of Model 3 Stealth (basically what EPA measured). Edmunds got 30 wh/100mi with 20" wheels.
I got 22.6 wh/100mi (or 226 Wh/mi) with very efficient 19" tires (the 2254 miles below was summer). Which equates to approx 331 miles of range. Lot's of complaints and surprises from folks that got the 20" wheels. Like Duh. You see a lot of folks selling the 20" wheels. Which are also pothole magnets. It's more the gummy tires than the rim size that eats watts.

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Well, it's out now and I got a test drive. I was seriously considering trading in my 2017 but after seeing more details particularly about this steering wheel and related features, among some other items, I think I'm going to wait and see how this shakes out. I have a feeling that some of this new stuff is going to evolve once enough people have one and start complaining. I hate to sound like this as I consider myself fairly comfortable on the edge of technology and willing to participate in paradigm shifts. I'm just having a difficult time with some of these changes from a usability standpoint. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong but here are my issues.

1) No more key fob:
So now you use your phone as the primary key and you get a wallet card as backup. I think this is a great feature addition but not to replace the dedicated key fob. In fact I would be happy to pay extra for a key fob as an option but we don't even get that choice. I would see my phone as a good secondary or backup option. I just don't want to have to rely on a non-dedicated device let alone the multitude of reasons why my phone might not work as expected at any given time. Phone battery dead, an app freezing or crashing my phone, the Tesla app crashing (which I've had happen), making sure I did forget to turn the BT back on after I needed to disable it, etc. In fact, in the car, I often give my kid my phone to play a game or stream a show or even do something for school. When I do this I have turn off the BT so the sound comes out form the phone. I'm not even sure if this would prevent the car from driving if it looses the BT connect once you're in the car. This means I would have to use the wallet card.

You also loose the ability to easily do the functions of the fob such as opening the frunk or trunk as you approach the car, automatically closing the trunk without walking around to the rear of the car, activating the summon feature to pull it out of a parking spot when someone parked too close for you to get in easily. You would be required to pull out your phone, unlock it, open the app, let it connect, find the functions and use them. Not practical from any standpoint. Not to mention there are plenty of times I'm somewhere I don't want to pull out my phone or wallet and I need to be vigilant of my surrounds. Loosing the fob does not make things easier.

2) Gear Selection:
Again, I think this automated selection of the likely gear you want based on obstacles and automatically setting park under the conditions it does so is a great new feature. Love it and can't wait for it to evolve. However there are plenty of regular complex scenarios where it doesn't work and moving the gear selection to the screen means one must take their eyes off the road to use it. That seems short sighted. Think of trying to make a quick 3 point turn, parallel parking on a tight roadway or worse, an emergency situation you need to avoid quickly. This feels like a solution looking for a problem.

3) Steering Wheel:
I have no issue with the yoke idea and think I would probably get used to it just fine. But the only thing this improves is arguably the aesthetic of viewing the dash. It certainly dos not make driving any easier. Again, a solution looking for a problem. At highway speed it's not an issue because you do not need to move the wheel very much. At local speeds however, anytime you have to rotate it more than 90 degrees it gets awkward and more difficult. Also, the more sporty you set the car the more difficult it become to use the yoke as it gets pretty firm. I don't know how it would feel on a long drive but I do know I often move my hand positions on the wheel to reduce fatigue. Furthermore, you can no longer let the wheel slide though your hands as it returns to center coming out of a turn controlling its rate easily. Again, a solution looking for a problem and that does not really improve anything worthwhile. I expect to see a robust aftermarket business of swapping the steering wheel.

4) Steering Wheel Controls:
Ok, this stuff bugs me the most. Removing the stalks and putting those functions on the steering wheel is again a solution looking for a problem. It not only improves nothing, it's dangerous. In particular, having the turn signals and horn as buttons on the wheel means that you will never find them when the wheel is turning without taking your eyes off the road and looking. That's the beauty of the stalks and why those functions have traditionally been there. They don't move. They are in the same location all the time and easy to locate no matter what you're doing with the wheel. Try finding the horn in a split second to avoid an accident as your navigating a turn, traffic circle, turning around, doing two turns in succession, etc. The turn signals suffer in the same way in addition to the fact that they are both on the same side which is not intuitive.

5) Rear Screen:
This is an awesome addition even if the location is awkward and not ideal. However it's not fully ready yet. I have to image this will get better with software updates but right now you can't bifurcate the audio. For example you can't pair headphones with the rear and stream something there while those in the front listen to something else. You also can't play something on the rear speaks that's different from the front, though that would probably not work well in practice anyway. I do think this will improve.

6) Electronic Doors: Now all the doors have electronic releases instead of mechanical levers. The rear doors on my 2017 model s are already like that and I hate it. It requires an emergency mechanical mechanism be available in case of failure which would likely happen exactly when you don't want to have any issue getting out. No one would know they were there either. You would have to show everyone getting in your car how to do this. It's not young kid friendly either. While my 8 year old has no problem getting out of the car I have no faith she would remember what I showed her with regard to this and be able to do it in panic or god forbid if I was incapacitated. Now with all of the doors like this your odds seem worse should you be in an accident and there be a fire or you are in water.
 

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I had the phone as Key on Model 3 and lost that feature when going to the Model X. It's one of the few things I miss on Model 3 vs X. Worked absolutely perfect on the Model 3 using iOS. Android users definitely had more issues.

It takes time to get used to things.
 

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Well, it's out now and I got a test drive. I was seriously considering trading in my 2017 but after seeing more details particularly about this steering wheel and related features, among some other items, I think I'm going to wait and see how this shakes out. I have a feeling that some of this new stuff is going to evolve once enough people have one and start complaining. I hate to sound like this as I consider myself fairly comfortable on the edge of technology and willing to participate in paradigm shifts. I'm just having a difficult time with some of these changes from a usability standpoint. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong but here are my issues.

1) No more key fob:
Seriously? That's highly annoying. While my wife is happy using her cell phone with the keycard as a backup, I prefer to use the keyfob because I don't have to get my phone out to open the trunk/frunk or unlock the car. I don't even have to take the keyfob out of my pocket because I can do everything by touch.

Another bad idea that Tesla has rolled out is the idea of locking the car doors automatically when you leave the area with your phone or keyfob. My wife and I both decided we're absolutely not using this, because if you do start using it, it's only a matter of time before you drive a non Tesla vehicle and then forget to lock the doors.
 

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Seriously? That's highly annoying. While my wife is happy using her cell phone with the keycard as a backup, I prefer to use the keyfob because I don't have to get my phone out to open the trunk/frunk or unlock the car. I don't even have to take the keyfob out of my pocket because I can do everything by touch.
Agreed on all points. So I just heard from someone who has a plaid model and he got 2 fobs and 2 cards. So I called my service center manager and he said it's unknown yet if the standard model s will come with fobs but has confirmed that the plaid does.
 

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I assumed the phone or fob was like other modern keyless entry systems where it automatically unlocks when you go to open the door or locks again when you touch the door handle after getting out. No?

If so I’d be perfectly happy leaving the key fob at home and using only my phone, mauve that card in my wallet as a sort of once-in-10-blue-moons disaster scenario where my phone was destroyed or something.

I’m not sure I understand the advantage of electric-only door latches. Maybe a mechanical latch that can also be activated by a servo, but I’m no automotive engineer.
 
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I assumed the phone or fob was like other modern keyless entry systems where it automatically unlocks when you go to open the door or locks again when you touch the door handle after getting out. No?
It automatically opens when you approach and locks when you walk away. There is nothing on the car to touch to lock it. My issue is about the other features of opening and closing the trunk, opening the frunk and activating the summon feature that will move the car forward or back using the fob from outside the car.
 

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