Installing ALP+NR into existing STiR+ config

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Hello everyone!

First post-- I have a 2014 Tesla P85D with a Belltronics STiR+ with upgraded ZR5 front laser shifters (no rear). I had a pro shop here in CT install the system.
I absolutely love the STiR+, and that's coming from a V1 I've used for decades. It's saved me countless times from Ka and laser traps.

I just acquired a fairly new (but used) ALP system described as:
  • 1x newest generation ECU (black box model)
  • 5x RX sensors/heads (3 front, 2 rear)
  • 2x extension cable for the rear sensors.
  • Bluetooth module add-on
  • 1x GPS antennae for ALP
It should be here this upcoming week.

My plan is to uninstall the ZR5 shifters and install the ALP sensors in the front (and possibly) rear. But I also want to take this opportunity to add the newest NetRadar antenna to the front of the car for redundant Ka and K detection, while keeping the STiR+ for primary Ka, and turning off the K band due to the BS falsing everyone seems to talk about, but I haven't really noticed a problem myself. Since I have to install the ALP laser system anyway, I figured $600 to add the NR to the mix is a good addition.

So my question is: Is it OK to mount the NetRadar antenna next to, or or near the STiR+ antenna in the front bumper?

And is it stupidly redundant to have both STiR+ and NR for Ka detection?

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Honestly, you may be better off just using the NetRadar for the radar protection. The STiR+, while great for its day, is pretty outdated by modern detector standards. I know some people aren't the biggest fan of the interface between the NetRadar and the ALP, but the NetRadar DSP will offer fantastic Ka performance and the K Band filtering will be miles better than what you are used to with the STiR+.

Good call on the ALP in CT. I would also install the rear heads since you already have them. I have seen CTSP do rear lidar shots exactly once in the 4 years I lived there and now 2 years since leaving but still regularly passing through. While the odds are very low that you will actually encounter rear shots (and even lower that you'd encounter rear shots that aren't marked on Waze), it's probably better safe than sorry to install the hardware that you already have.
 

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Thanks.

I saw something mentioned about sending in the STiR+ antenna for a NR upgrade for $300? (to be used as a rear antenna and arrows).

But I couldn't find any other info out. Is that still a thing?
 

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Ya agree with @NorEaster18 The Stit+ in its days was great but today not so much. Can you still get updates for it? Why do you love it so much?
 

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I haven't checked on updates, I saw an update available in 2019.

I find its Ka detection really great (even still today), and the Laser detection and shifting quite good-- and as I've said, has saved me countless times (both Ka and laser).

Here's one example (skip to about 0:40):

 

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The StiR still works great for Ka and with that M3 antenna, it will still be competitive with all of the newer detectors regarding range. Many on here still use their original Redlines because that antenna works so well for Ka detection. If it's working well for you, why replace it? The big negative with the STiR is the BSM falsing. Like the Redline, it goes from quiet to insanity the second it sniffs out a BSM system. Maybe someone on here using the Netradar can provide some feedback but I don't think anyone has bought that detector because of it's superior filtering.

My bigger question would be in regard to how the STiR and Netradar will play together (will there be interference?) - especially if they're both mounted in the front of your car. I can't remember anyone using those two detectors together and unfortunately, you won't have an answer until you run them together. The solution I went with was segmenting my STiR to Ka only and run a better filtering windshield detector in combination for k band detection. Good luck with your decision!
 

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Thanks. What symptoms do you look for for "interference" with both units installed?

I feel like I've already got the STiR+ installed, and I like the interface and stealth install (same with the ALP+NR).

I really don't want to go for a windshield mount just for K band, as I still have my V1 I could use, but for theft purposes, I don't want to mount it or hassle with putting it away every time.

I guess if STiR+ proves to be inferior over NR over the long term, I would pull it out.
 

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The StiR still works great for Ka and with that M3 antenna, it will still be competitive with all of the newer detectors regarding range. Many on here still use their original Redlines because that antenna works so well for Ka detection. If it's working well for you, why replace it? The big negative with the STiR is the BSM falsing. Like the Redline, it goes from quiet to insanity the second it sniffs out a BSM system. Maybe someone on here using the Netradar can provide some feedback but I don't think anyone has bought that detector because of it's superior filtering.

My bigger question would be in regard to how the STiR and Netradar will play together (will there be interference?) - especially if they're both mounted in the front of your car. I can't remember anyone using those two detectors together and unfortunately, you won't have an answer until you run them together. The solution I went with was segmenting my STiR to Ka only and run a better filtering windshield detector in combination for k band detection. Good luck with your decision!
Isn't the Netradar based on the R1? I ran the R1 and Redline-O together on the same windshield for quite awhile with zero issues and in 3 ghetto arrow setups as well and all was good. I'm not sure if this will work out, but there's only one way to find out!
 

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The NRDSP is a good rounded unit, but there are no more updates at this time for it. It falls between the R Series and DFR 8/9 in Ka detection and filtering, haven't done to much testing on K band. With the right setting, the NRDSP can do ok with BSMs, just have to figure the better cutting. What is nice, you have City1 and City2. I think I have 3 (City1) and 6 (City2), which is just when it will alert after said Threshold like the V1.
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Isn't the Netradar based on the R1? I ran the R1 and Redline-O together on the same windshield for quite awhile with zero issues and in 3 ghetto arrow setups as well and all was good. I'm not sure if this will work out, but there's only one way to find out!
It is based off the R1 with separate GPS.... but it falls just behind the R series. I think it is because it has to deal with higher temperatures and other "outside/under the hood" conditions, that they dialed it back some or possible product line Attowave made. If not, I have four heads I can test up against my two R3s and R7, and rob you of your 5 R1s to find out.
 
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The NRDSP is a good rounded unit, but there are no more updates at this time for it. It falls between the R Series and DFR 8/9 in Ka detection and filtering, haven't done to much testing on K band. With the right setting, the NRDSP can do ok with BSMs, just have to figure the better cutting. What is nice, you have City1 and City2. I think I have 3 (City1) and 6 (City2), which is just when it will alert after said Threshold like the V1.
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It is based of the R1 with separate GPS.... but it falls just behind the R series. I think it is because it has to deal with higher temperatures and other "outside/under the hood" conditions. If not, I have four heads I can test up against my two R3s and R7, and rob you of your 5 R1s to find out.
3 of my R1's will be easy for you to get, the other 2 are in Jane's car so you're on you own brother! LMAO!
 

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For the money you'll spend the on NR DSP, you may be better off get a windshield mounted unit V1, Redline 360, R7) with better BSM filtering. I loved my DSP. But you'll get the same range (or better) with any of those units I mentioned.
 

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Isn't the Netradar based on the R1? I ran the R1 and Redline-O together on the same windshield for quite awhile with zero issues and in 3 ghetto arrow setups as well and all was good. I'm not sure if this will work out, but there's only one way to find out!
Yeah, you're right. You'd be a better judge of the R1 than I would since I haven't owned one. With you also owning a Redline, maybe you can provide some feedback on the range and BSM filtering between those two detectors since the Redline and STiR also use the same antenna. I've only directly spoken with one member that had the Netradar and he wasn't very happy with the filtering and reached out to ask me to ask about my 360ci. Maybe it's gotten better. I have had some interference issues between my STiR and other detectors. It seems to play well with other Escort detectors but not always other brands. The worst interference issue was a Radenso Pro M. You wouldn't think there would be an issue between those two but it would completely shut down detection on the STiR.
 

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Yeah, you're right. You'd be a better judge of the R1 than I would since I haven't owned one. With you also owning a Redline, maybe you can provide some feedback on the range and BSM filtering between those two detectors since the Redline and STiR also use the same antenna. I've only directly spoken with one member that had the Netradar and he wasn't very happy with the filtering and reached out to ask me to ask about my 360ci. Maybe it's gotten better. I have had some interference issues between my STiR and other detectors. It seems to play well with other Escort detectors but not always other brands. The worst interference issue was a Radenso Pro M. You wouldn't think there would be an issue between those two but it would completely shut down detection on the STiR.
The thing is, my R1's and Redline-O's are almost mirror images of each other as far as 34.7 and 35.5. They are also twins against Q/T, and I/O Ka band as well. Of course the Redline is useless against K band period! If it was me in this case, Id run the Bel at the back of the car on Ka duty only and the Netradar up front on K and Ka band for a "remote ghetto arrow" setup!
 
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The thing is, my R1's and Redline-O's are almost mirror images of each other as far as 34.7 and 35.5. They are also twins against Q/T, and I/O Ka band as well. Of course the Redline is useless against K band period! If it was me in this case, Id run the Bel at the back of the car on Ka duty only and the Netradar up front on K and Ka band for a "remote ghetto arrow" setup!
Do you get as much falsing with the Redline in the rear of your car or do you just run it on Ka? My STiR always tested pretty equal to my Redline and Max 360 ci against my 35.5 gun as well. That M3 antenna is still an a** kicker.
 

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Do you get as much falsing with the Redline in the rear of your car or do you just run it on Ka? My STiR always tested pretty equal to my Redline and Max 360 ci against my 35.5 gun as well. That M3 antenna is still an a** kicker.
2-5-8 ! No K band or X band! The only thing that finally beat my R1/Redline combo was my V1G2! And it's still a close fight, until off axis gets involved!
 

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Dump the STiR if you get the DSP Netradar, I would not use both at same time, the STiR wont like it. With the Black new CPU you can use the Bluetooth to ARF the problem K band signals and it will be very quiet. Once entered, the ARF settings hold in the CPU even with Bluetooth off.

Downside is you need Bluetooth connected for lockouts. Get a cheap phone to run standalone for it if you don't want to use your daily phone everytime, either way it can be set up to autostart so no hassle.

Range wise the NetRadar is on par with the R1 and R3 and I have also had it beat my R7 at times. On K band the it should best the STiR every time, have half the delay in reactivity, and be quieter to BSM's.
 
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Dump the STiR if you get the DSP Netradar, I would not use both at same time, the STiR wont like it. With the Black new CPU you can use the Bluetooth to ARF the problem K band signals and it will be very quiet. Once entered, the ARF settings hold in the CPU even with Bluetooth off.

Downside is you need Bluetooth connected for lockouts. Get a cheap phone to run standalone for it if you don't want to use your daily phone everytime, either way it can be set up to autostart so no hassle.

Range wise the NetRadar is on par with the R1 and R3 and I have also had it beat my R7 at times. On K band the it should best the STiR every time, have half the delay in reactivity, and be quieter to BSM's.

I agree with the " Get a cheap phone to run standalone for it if you don't want to use your daily phone everytime, either way it can be set up to autostart so no hassle." As that is what I do, and run JBV1 as a Standalone to add other functions.

As for the "Range wise the NetRadar is on par with the R1 and R3" I am not see that.... but every situation is different. Maybe see with an upcoming test as to that.... as @Kennyc56 is looking for yet another fun day of Cat and Mouse.... and @Bossdad71 's units to add the the mix. Good thing I have two ALP CPUs and four heads and KennyC's 3 + Jane's 2 R1s to my R3s.... might have to play with Fw's after each one is benched marked. :shifty: :omg::sotw: (the pain)"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
 

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:shifty: :omg::sotw: (the pain)"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Ya, the PAIN we put ourselves thru to call it FUN! 😁
 

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Ok, I was going to start a new thread, but this is better due to the many helpful posts above.

I have the ALP system (5 rx heads) ready to install in my Tesla P85D, and I just ordered a new NRDSP, GPS Module, and Hi-fi control set to go with it.

I'm still torn about removing the STiR+ radar antenna because the Ka is still quite good, but just now I saw this quote above which I somehow missed earlier:
Id run the Bel at the back of the car on Ka duty only and the Netradar up front on K and Ka band for a "remote ghetto arrow" setup!

Wow.. this is a great idea!! I'm pretty sure I'll have my installer do this. But will the NRDSP antenna up front interfere with the STiR+ antenna in the rear?

Thanks.
 

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