Max 3 First Drives Review

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Try clearing the detector out of both Escort Live and your phone's bluetooth devices. Then reconnect from scratch. I've seen similar issues with other Escort detectors after an update.

Just something to try while you wait on hold for however long. :)
Thanks for the thought. I did get a hold of Escort customer services believe it or not. Even though the phone did not show in bluetooth list on the phone, however when we went to the app and said look for detectors it found it. I would have thought the Iphone bluetooth would have first had to see it before the app connected. Oh also we did go to a factory reset. So now I am back in business I will just have to go back through and check my setting. It will be interesting to see if Ka falses are reduced. I personally have not had those issues before so I will get back to everyone on what I will be seeing. Hey Vortex thanks for the suggestion and assistance.
 

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I just purchased the Escort Max 3. I choose it over the original Max 360 and IXC based on comments on the forums. The platform 4++ this unit has is suppose to be an upgrade over the 4+ platform of the older IXC. I was able to connect it by Bluetooth to my phone and the speed of the road as well as my speed show up. Thanks to Vortex's review on this unit I was able to quickly confirm its firmware which was the original software. I went to the box to look for the cable to connect to my computer and that's when I confirmed no cable. It needs a data USB mini 2 cable. Seriously, Escort could not include a cable to update the software? Now I have to go back to Best Buy and purchase the cable.☹

I started using the unit with the original firmware. It detected KA bands by the shopping center and then quickly faded to a lower volume. When I went back there the following day, the detections of the KA band by the stores was greatly reduced. The magnet holds the unit well and the buttons feel firm. I like the all black look and the blue and white colors on the screen. I downloaded the Detector Tools Pro software on my computer and hooked the Max 3 to it. The software recognized the Max 3 it immediately and it updated the firmware which was very easy and fast. It recommended I restart the unit before updating the Defender Data Base with all the cameras in the area. After restarting the unit, I was able to quickly update the Database on the Max 3.

The updates to the unit according to Escort are the following.

1.2 Firmware has improved AUTO Mode sensitivity. Increased sensitivity to K-band over 15 mph. (Thanks to Vortex for advising us of this issue with the original software)/
  • To reduce alerts at low speeds, use Cruise Alert settings in Escort Live to ignore alerts under certain speed thresholds (e.g. Cruise alert set to 25 mph will ignore K-band alerts under 25 mph).
  • Fixed an issue in the ESCORT Live app where live alerts freeze on the screen of the radar detector.  The new version will clear the alert and speed limit when the app loses its location for 10 seconds or more.
    • iOS: v3.1.27
    • Android: 3.1.60

1.3 fixed the auto sensitivity in auto mode
1.4 fixed Ka false alerts
1.5 fixed some bug issues.

I found it interesting that Escort states on their web site, "If you have feedback or suggestions on how to make the MAX 3 even better, send an email to radarfeedbac[email protected]". Though commenting here is fine, I am thinking emailing them on feedback would be helpful.

The price on this is under $400 and currently there is a $30 off on the unit. Purchasing this unit and a M2 will still be less than buying a Max 360c by the way. I will comment more once I put more highway and local miles on the unit. But so far I am very pleased with the unit.
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I was disappointed that all the complaints on the first couple of pages did not mention what firmware they were on. Hopefully with the latest 1.5 version you will have less false alerts.
 
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FYI:
Cruise Alert mutes all radar signals below set speed, not just K. You get the double beep soft warning, and then nothing until you get over the Cruise Alert setting.

Did you mean K band at the local mall door openers?
started using the unit with the original firmware. It detected KA bands by the shopping center and then quickly faded to a lower volume. When I went back there the following day, the detections of the KA band by the stores was greatly reduced.

When I has the Max 3, I got excessive KA falsing when near structures or vehicles in front of me.
Try the hand job, see if 1.5 fixed it.
Park in front of some concrete walls, see if it goes off.
I would be interested in seeing the latest improvements, as I got my boss to get a Max 3, and he loves it. I keep it up to date for him.

Post in thread 'Max 3 First Drives Review' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/106768/post-1549209
Post in thread 'Max 3 First Drives Review' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/106768/post-1549818
 

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After I updated my unit to firmware 1.5, driving through the same stores in the area, my detector was very quiet. Not sure if the learn mode adjusted to the area or not but it was quieter.

Good feature: The plug in adaptor has a USB A connector on it. So when running Escort Live, I can plug my phone into the charger on the Escort charger and not worry about draining my battery.

On the way to having breakfast with a friend, I went in a small town where the speed goes from 45, to 35 to 25. I put the radar detector in auto mode. While driving in the 45 mph area, my radar said POP and it went off. A little further down someone in a white pickup truck on the side of the road looked at me as I went by. Hmm, I never even heard of Pop mode until I went to Vortex's video about it. On the way home from breakfast I went past a small police station and the laser detection went off. Have you ever seen false alerts for laser? I did not see the guy but granted I did turn left before passing the building.
 

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In turning my Pop filter back on, my radar has learned the false Pop alerts as it is now quiet in those areas that used to trigger it.

I decided after using this radar unit for a week that I really like it. Vortex's review, other places on the internet provided reviews and most comments were pretty positive for this unit on what it does. Once firmware 1.3 came out, the main issues were corrected and now 1.5 has made it even better by reducing false Ka alerts.

As someone who just wanted a radar detector for extra protection as I normally don't go over 10 mph over the speed limit, this unit is perfect for me. I love that it shows the speed of the road (though not all the time), the look of the unit, its features, and decent price. There are other units out there that may out perform it a little in a similar price range but they don't provide the blue tooth, the speed of the road, and others detectors seem more chatty. I can mark new locations and mute it quickly if needed. Escort Live still needs work on the speed of the road. They could see how Waze and Google Maps are doing it and perhaps use similar technology to keep it more consistent. Other than that I have no complaints. I also like that the charger has a USB A on it, so I can charge my phone while using Escort Live.
 

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Hi RDFers,
I've been trying out a new Max 3 the last two days, and comparing it with others in my collection.
Of special interest to me is a comparison with the other Cedar Electronics products in a comparable price range, and determining the best bang for the buck.
As I have several threads already giving large amount of details and videos with these detectors I will simply give a quick high end low points, and some links.
I will try to concentrate on the Max 3 relevant info as this is the Escort forum.

Lows:
More falses to BSMs than the DualPro 360, even with K Notch on.
More door opener falses than DualPro, but getting them locked out.
Door openers have been causing Ka falses, where no other detector does this fault. Even locked out the Ka of course punches through, and it will even alert in segments not even turned on, like segs 7 & 9.
Same old boring K and Ka alert tones. Please add the option to choose from them or Beltronics/ DualPro tones.
Frequency display is not as accurate as all the other fully digital detectors I have, and fluctuate more in successive passes.
Reactivity (reaction time) to instant on is the worst of any detector I own. Worse than the old 9500ix, Pro M, Max II, Dualpro 360, and the Unidens. It's a noticable difference and a deal breaker in my land if instant on.
Sometimes the Max 3 seems to be sleeping when doing K Band trigger pulls when driving for a while without any alerts. Totally does not register the gun. Release trigger and repeat 5 to ten seconds later then it alerts as normal. This was out on open highway away from any source of alerts, lockouts or interference. The only time I've ever seen this behavior was with the Max II, it will be eratic at times.
The display is the same old hardware as in the Max II and DualPro and most every Escort of late. I don't know if the Redline 360c got an upgrade....
The travel case is large, however it's difficult to fit the detector, cord, and mount into it without a bulging case or accidentally scratching the detector with the ill fitting accessories.

Highs:
Well put together unit, best mount attachment for those of us who take it down everytime.
I haven't tested detection range vs. all the others yet, however it's reported to be very very good. We shall see.
It's pretty standard Escort fare as far as appearance, display and quality. Which is good.
It falses less to BSM than the Max II, which needs K Notch badly. Also while I'm getting 24.16x BSM alerts, it's less than the Max II.
The Max II doesn't have newer firmware equivalent of the Max 360 or DualPro as far as BSMs and it shows noticably.
The Max 3 seems to split the difference between old and new Maxes.

All in all, if the extra falsing and poor reactivity isn't fixed soon via firmware update, this detector will be going up for sale, as Escort eBay site doesn't take returns, at least for this Canadian.

I just got my hands on one and in preliminary testing, found reactivity to both K and seg’d Ka to be pretty good so far, quite a bit quicker to K band than the RL360c. That said, I was running TSR and K notch off in highway mode in my testing.

With a lot of the Escort products I also notice that they get overdriven easily. Several times my Max360c, RL360c and Max 3 won’t alert to close prolixity K band trigger pulls in car until the 3rd of 4th attempt. If I give the units space, they’re much more consistent has been my experience.

The Max 3 I find Ka falses itself. If I place the detector too close to an object, or even my hand sometimes it will false. I haven’t ran it a ton on the windshield yet, but haven’t noticed any Ka falsing while driving so far.

Thanks for your observations. I may have to do some more testing. I’ve been driving around hunting MRCD locations, but have not been successful finding anything lately.
 
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For me, any many false alerts are learned by the detector and after going through the same area again, its quiet.
 

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I just got my hands on one and in preliminary testing, found reactivity to both K and seg’d Ka to be pretty good so far, quite a bit quicker to K band than the RL360c. That said, I was running TSR and K notch off in highway mode in my testing.

With a lot of the Escort products I also notice that they get overdriven easily. Several times my Max360c, RL360c and Max 3 won’t alert to close prolixity K band trigger pulls in car until the 3rd of 4th attempt. If I give the units space, they’re much more consistent has been my experience.

The Max 3 I find Ka falses itself. If I place the detector too close to an object, or even my hand sometimes it will false. I haven’t ran it a ton on the windshield yet, but haven’t noticed any Ka falsing while driving so far.

Thanks for your observations. I may have to do some more testing. I’ve been driving around hunting MRCD locations, but have not been successful finding anything lately.
If you have access these threads have comprehensive instant on response testing.
Both the Max 3 and R360c do very poorly compared to their competitors.
Thread 'Finished: Instant On Testing w/ 13 RD's on K Band' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/111306/

Thread 'Retest: Instant On Testing w/ 13 RD's on Ka Band' https://www.rdforum.org/threads/111273/
 

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The Escort response is not bad or only ok. They are still good results and many of the competitors don't have Bluetooth or wifi. It's not just about the fastest reaction time unless you are recklessly going like 100 mph and you need a super fast reaction time to not get busted. There are other options and things that are important well. Then there are personal preferences like the R7 looking unappealing to look at for some.
 

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The Escort response is not bad or only ok. They are still good results and many of the competitors don't have Bluetooth or wifi. It's not just about the fastest reaction time unless you are recklessly going like 100 mph and you need a super fast reaction time to not get busted. There are other options and things that are important well. Then there are personal preferences like the R7 looking unappealing to look at for some.
You are missing the point of having a fast reaction time. When the reaction time is slow, your detector can fail to alert to some Instant On encounters. It won't matter how much faster you are going over the PSL, if your detector doesn't alert, you are fried.
 

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You are missing the point of having a fast reaction time. When the reaction time is slow, your detector can fail to alert to some Instant On encounters. It won't matter how much faster you are going over the PSL, if your detector doesn't alert, you are fried.
Are you talking about a 1 to 3 second delay from one detector or another on radar over a mile away? And that this delay will cause a detector to not go off? I don't want to get into a whole other discussion as that would be better for and different thread.
 

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Are you talking about a 1 to 3 second delay from one detector or another on radar over a mile away? And that this delay will cause a detector to not go off? I don't want to get into a whole other discussion as that would be better for and different thread.
Correct. If the detector doesn't alert to signals that last less than 3 seconds, that same detector can miss Instant On. That's what is concerning about it. Not that you need a fast reaction time as a driver to slow down (although that is nice)
 

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The Escort response is not bad or only ok. They are still good results and many of the competitors don't have Bluetooth or wifi. It's not just about the fastest reaction time unless you are recklessly going like 100 mph and you need a super fast reaction time to not get busted. There are other options and things that are important well. Then there are personal preferences like the R7 looking unappealing to look at for some.
If I was too place value on features in a radar detector, I would place priority on them in a way that makes it a better radar detector first, and reduce importance as they give less contribution to the purpose of countermeasure. By my own criteria, the Max 3 is a GOOD detector. It fits many drivers very well.

A list of some of the prime considerations off the top of my head:
1) Range: R360c excellent, Max 3 Very Good, Max 360 series Good. (Escort has models that fit into Fair and Poor categories, but this isn't about them)
2) Filtering: Always true, never false is a great goal. None meet it. But the less you get the better. R360c Ex, Max 360c VG, Max 3 G
3) Reactivity & reaction times: Important to get that brief early warning blip, before you get a Constant On or Instant On surprise blast in the face. Example of this is catching LEO targeting someone far ahead of you briefly, and waiting for your turn. Max 360c VG, R360c Fair, Max 3 Fair.
4) All those settings and customizations in the settings that allow you to tune detector for your driving style and areas, so numbers 1-3 can do their best for you. All 3 Escorts I give a Good/Avg rating.
5) Looks, sounds, display, general attractiveness: because things like this matter to folks, R360c VG, Max 360c G, Max 3 G.
6) Bonus features like BT and WiFi: if BT is useful then yes it adds value. Currently there is only 1 detector that has meaningful BT functionality. Escorts can't send alerts through to speaker headsets, other than 1 voice warning. Escort Live is the glitchiest, most difficult and annoying app of any detector use, by a large margin. Most persons eventually resign themselves to the fact it is only for convenience of changing settings, then to disable it.
EL creates issues when driving with your detector. It can change your settings all by itself, rendering you blind to some radar segments. It has poor BT connectivity and reliability.
EL can't even record the proper frequencies of an encounter correctly. Detector display and EL conflict lots.
EL has limited information. If you have the defender database in your detector, use it standalone, the app isn't worth the troubles.
If seeing speed limits, road maps, camera and speed trap alerts is what you want, you've already committed to using a phone app with Escort Live. My advice, disable EL and use Google Maps, Waze, Highway Radar or JBV1 and get way more up to date information and real live alerts. Escort crowdsourcing is miniscule compared to these giants.
JBV1 will even alert you to speed limit sign decreases if you wish, with your own personal message to "Slow the fark down".

I really don't see the value in the Escort BT functionality for what it brings in additional countermeasure ability.
Buy the best detector you can afford, and enjoy the rest as gravy on the roast beef.
Dessert comes in the form of better apps named, available to you and anyone, for free.
 
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