Cobra DualPro 360 Lockouts, Falsing and BSM Thread

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haha bring on more testers! I’m really excited and grateful to see @DC Fluid stepping up and jumping in like this. :)
No one's in danger of losing their crowns.
I'm purely off the books, under the table, working from the shadows, and God help me don't let the wife find my credit card statements, type of weekend warrior detector tester.
The coal on the stockings this year may give her a clue though.... :shifty:
 

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haha bring on more testers! I’m really excited and grateful to see @DC Fluid stepping up and jumping in like this. :)
No one's in danger of losing their crowns.
I'm purely off the books, under the table, working from the shadows, and God help me don't let the wife find my credit card statements, type of weekend warrior detector tester.
The coal on the stockings this year may give her a clue though.... :shifty:
 
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In case anyone missed me posting this in the testing section....
 

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Went for another drive this afternoon with the new Cobra DualPro 360.
I wanted to verify some lockout behaviors, monitor BSM hits, door opener signals and MRCD falsing. Plus I did some radar gun reactivity tests to see what delays are associated with filtering behaviour.

In the truck I had a 35.5 Talon, 24.116 Falcon HR and 24.134 Bushnell Velocity. All shots aimed out passenger rear window from behind the seat.

DualPro settings 2,4,5,6,8 Ka.
K 1,2,3 Highway Mode
TSR off most of the trip.
MRCD on most of the trip.

The DualPro is a very quiet detector, especially after a few lockouts of the strongest door openers. I have noticed some source autolocking out as fast as 2 passes by, yesterday and today.

I went to the strongest signals in town at Home Depot, Canadian Tire and Walmart shopping complex. First time this new detector had been anywhere near this end of town. First pass on Auto Mode it was very quiet past Walmart and made one week beep, a few more when circling through parking lot right in front of the doors.
The cruise alert feature lets it release 2 loud beeps then goes quiet under my 30 kph setting, on K and Ka bands.

I switched back to highway and its definitely alerts more than Auto. I stayed on Highway for consistency and lockout use.
Home Depot has 4 signals all right at the corner by a road I use often.
One manual lockout shuts up every single door opener in the area, for a large radius.
Unfortunately locking out a K 24.19x signal locked out everything else, including the Falcon HR at 24.116. And a door opener down at 24.100. I watched this unfold on the detector and app.
The same thing happened downtown where I locked out last night. 2 lockouts covers 3 km street with 6 signals from 24.089 - 24.199. Again the Falcon HR and Bushnell both were blocked by the lockouts.
A 24.204 source did alert during this time, so it wasn't completely K Blocked. Weird thing is I had only K segments 1,2,3 enabled and 24.204 I believed to be in segmentation 4??

In summary lockouts occur quick and easy both with Automatic and manual methods. They both lockout huge portions, if not all of relevant K Band segments. Anywhere there was a lockout, no matter the frequency of that lockout, I could not get any K Band radar gun to trigger an audible alert. I could see the greyed out signal strength bars rise up for the guns.
On positive note, the DualPro is very resistant to alert to door openers. Perhaps the most resistant I have ever seen when operating in Highway Mode.
I am concerned about how massive the lockouts are, a few of these and K Band won't be alerting in much of my city.

BSM filtering: 3 hours now total, and maybe 1 BSM 24.175, but I couldn't chase the vehicle to confirm.
Driving around to find offenders was frustrating and someone hidden all the best known ones. I will have to revisit this topic after a few weeks.
However, being on highway mode and set much like the Max II, I would say it blows the Max II away for BSM filtering effectiveness. With some more time I may be able to confirm that the Pro M may get dethroned.
Auto mode definitely would be in the running for quiet city mode champ.

All this K Band goodness leaves me suspicious of K Band sensitivity so we will see in head to head tests soon.
Worried about reactivity, I repeated last nights tests, with good results.
K Band responds to the Falcon HR gun very well. 1/2 second delay from trigger pull at most. Repeatable at multiple speeds and locations, many times.
Bushnell Velocity K Band was a little slower, by a few tenths of a second.
Ka 35.5 Talon is a bit of a letdown. It's as slow as the HR alerts or slower. Never an instant alert the first breath of trigger pull like the R Series Unidens. Ka should be hair trigger alerts, but this detector, like the Max II, has delay. Worse or better I will find out this testing season too.

I turned off the MRCD, I get 3 falses per hour from stationary door openers. MRCD to be tested later when it gets its way to Edmonton.
TSR went back on too, so I will drive the next couple weeks like this to evaluate BSM more.
Here are a few screen shots of K Band that one lockout blocks them all.
One unlock freed them all.
Lockout again and same results.
Very quiet detector and easy to use so far.
Performance comparison later this month.
Regards.
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Hey man,

Thanks for all the work you've put into these tests. I've had too many unexpected "surprises" in the last few days and well I'm not really active on the forum or the internet really.
 

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Hey man,

Thanks for all the work you've put into these tests. I've had too many unexpected "surprises" in the last few days and well I'm not really active on the forum or the internet really.
Did you cone up with double pink lines :)
 

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Nope. Someone in my family had a heart attack. That's among the other things that happened.
Oh shoot, you had a rough go of it
 

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Update:
During regular commuting and some extended drives around in rush hour to check for BSMs, here is what I found. (ALL driving so far on HIGHWAY mode setting, TSR On)

BSMs are very hard to find. None on any Honda Pilot, Passport, CRV or Acura, Jeep or Caddy so far. Targetting just the newer ones, I am familar with them as we have an older Pilot, which is getting the upgrade to new CRV or Crosstrek next year.
I'm not saying it's BSM free, just I am not successful in finding one so far in my limited seat time.

Stationary lockouts.
I mentioned earlier of massive and broad lockouts. Now, a day later returning to those lockouts I get alerts to some of the secondary frequencies (more than 1 in a location) and some are getting the Autolock treatment as it's the second pass.
So perhaps on a first encounter and lockout with multiple signals it does a larger lockout, and then reduces treatment the next day to allow those other signals to poke through.
On my commuting route, I had a few beeps locked out. A couple two beeps along that area this morning then silence. It is alerting to the same signals as the R7, R3, Pro M, but those detectors carry the alert up to and past the source unless locked out or AutoMuted.
DualPro, just gives one weak alert then quiet, like it has decided it's not a true alert and ceased warning.
Some stationary alerts where I have multiple signals have been longer to Autolock out. But when I do see the same frequency alert in the same spot TWICE (2x) the secong alert is followed by Autolock announcement.
This is far faster than how the Max II was locking out the same spots. Twice as fast and in half the number of days.
I believe I may have also seen Auto Unlock in a few instances but will have to confirm.

AutoLock behaviour has been different than any other Escort model I have used. Unknown to me how it compares to a Max 360.
I will compare with the Max 3 when it arrives.
Perhaps Escort sped up the process on some models to increase the reputation of quietness, especially upon first operation of the device.

I will report back here as I discover BSM and lockout news.

FYI, K Notch has not been missed on the DualPro 360 so far. I do get some signals in the 24.195-.205 range so it's not blocked out....
 
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Update:
During regular commuting and some extended drives around in rush hour to check for BSMs, here is what I found. (ALL driving so far on HIGHWAY mode setting, TSR On)

BSMs are very hard to find. None on any Honda Pilot, Passport, CRV or Acura so far. Targetting just the newer ones, I am familar with them as we have an older Pilot, which is getting the upgrade to new CRV or Crosstrek next year.
I'm not saying it's BSM free, just I am not successful in finding one so far in my limited seat time.

Stationary lockouts.
I mentioned earlier of massive and broad lockouts. Now, a day later returning to those lockouts I get alerts to some of the secondary frequencies (more than 1 in a location) and some are getting the Autolock treatment as it's the second pass.
So perhaps on a first encounter and lockout with multiple signals it does a larger lockout, and then reduces treatment the next day to allow those other signals to poke through.
On my commuting route, I had a few beeps locked out. A couple two beeps along that area this morning then silence. It is alerting to the same signals as the R7, R3, Pro M, but those detectors carry the alert up to and past the source unless locked out or AutoMuted.
DualPro, just gives one weak alert then quiet, like it has decided it's not a true alert and ceased warning.
Some stationary alerts where I have multiple signals have been longer to Autolock out. But when I do see the same frequency alert in the same spot TWICE (2x) the secong alert is followed by Autolock announcement.
This is far faster than how the Max II was locking out the same spots. Twice as fast and in half the number of days.
I believe I may have also seen Auto Unlock in a few instances but will have to confirm.

AutoLock behaviour has been different than any other Escort model I have used. Unknown to me how it compares to a Max 360.
I will compare with the Max 3 when it arrives.
Perhaps Escort sped up the process on some models to increase the reputation of quietness, especially upon first operation of the device.

Sounds pretty similar to my DP360, especially with picking up the signal then dropping it. I literally almost never get any BSMs. The only K bands I pick up are usually those stationary speed readers, which I either lockout, or the DP360 locks them out automatically (even if I have never driven in that area before). Could be a combo of Escorts Auto Learn mixed in with some stellar BSM filtering?
 

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Sounds pretty similar to my DP360, especially with picking up the signal then dropping it. I literally almost never get any BSMs. The only K bands I pick up are usually those stationary speed readers, which I either lockout, or the DP360 locks them out automatically (even if I have never driven in that area before). Could be a combo of Escorts Auto Learn mixed in with some stellar BSM filtering?
It's definetly something.LOL
Makes me nervous when I can't understand the logic, wondering what level of protection I have in these areas.
The R series is so predictable and trustworthy, despite the extra alerts you know exactly what's up.
More time with the DP360 required.
I can see this as a big city detector, on Auto Mode, being silent to the point of carrying a radar gun with you to make sure it's alive. (Oh wait, I do that already, LOL!)
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You can see in this thread my BSM comparisons for the same city and roads, 2 weeks with the R Series.
 
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Had to drive home from work and return just now, Amazon packages on the doorstep for the world to see.

DP360 was silent both ways, I can confirm that at least 6 door openers have been silenced by a pass yesterday morning plus the one today. So it is locking out on the second pass as I observed.
Full silent on Highway mode.
FYI I get full silent on the R7 too with lockouts done and ADV 40% setting.
Based on one test only, the DualPro on Highway might have a very slight sensitivity edge over R7 at 40%, but a few more tests to confirm will be done.

The Cobra App has been hooking up flawlessly and not causing any weird behaviours.
The only flaw I noticed is when if records alerts the frequency is often wrong. Eg. K 24.110 saves at K 34.300 (a Ka freq.)
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App shows PSL 49 in a 50
69 in a 70
I think they use mph and it gets lost in the conversion.
I should head out to the highway that's 100 and see if it shows PSL as 98(60mph) or 100(62mph).
 

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Last night I had a BSM false off of a sedan, too dark and snowy plus I was passing them.
24.162 from the rear quarter panel as I went by, they turned on left signal light as I was right there, then changed lanes immediately after I passed, so to turn left.
1 bar 2 beep BSM, when directly off the rear quarter of the car.
If all BSMs are handled this well, with the lack of others it will still receive high praise from me for handling junk K signals.
However more time required and with Covid lockdowns the amount of time out on the road and low traffic levels has been hampering a decent evaluation.
More on lockouts in another thread later....
 

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I am here to report, in all sadness and humility, that I clearly identified a BSM false on the DualPro yesterday.
A Mazda 24.125 (right on the nose frequency)
Highway mode, travelling less than 35 kph in traffic approaching lights, got the 2 beep alert 10 feet from back bumper, went mute then lost alert a few seconds later.
Front horn only, never alerted rear as I passed.

Now that I have cracked the calm quiet demeanor of the Cobra, I can finally throw it in the drawer with the old 9500ix. LOL.
 

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