Making The Case For Cobra.

[jon5]

Cobra DualPro 360 is now on sale, hours after I just paid for mine.
Vortex deals has it at $369 on Amazon from the Cobra store.
[email protected]*K!

Why not recall the order and submit a new one?

 

[Cobra Kai]

I'm not talking about any of the other RD's you are comparing. You stated misleading and false information about the R1 & R3, unless you were being sarcastic. Just wanted to make sure you knew the truth as we do not want to mislead other new members.

As for the other RD's, looks like some hard testing will be conducted soon!


It sounds like you ran these at different times during different encounters, if so, you can not really judge performance between each unit as the encounters can greatly differ with regard to terrain, traffic, ant. direction, etc.

The only accurate way it so find a LEO actively radaring (stationary) and make at least two runs with each RD. That will give you the true results you are after. I have had really long alerts with my M360, and really short alerts with my R3 before. Does that mean the M360 is a far 'better' unit, no. The R3 is far more sensitive, but each encounter is different. You need a 'control' to test against for accurate results. Sometimes you can get a feeling how each one performs from prior history so I cannot totally discount your feelings, but there is really one 'true' way to test between units.

I am not saying one unit is better than another, I just know what prior testing has shown. I am very interested to see what the upcoming testing will show as well.

What did I say about the R1 and R3 that was false? If you're talking about what I said about the performance differing "vastly" I was speaking generally and meant for the comment to be ironic to setup my point about the GT-360 and DP360.

And secondly, I am aware that a controlled test or the testing parameters that you stated are the best way to go, but not all of us have the luxury of running such tests and I stated my tests were nothing special.

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Cobra DualPro 360 is now on sale, hours after I just paid for mine.
Vortex deals has it at $369 on Amazon from the Cobra store.
[email protected]*K!

Bruh I said in my earlier comment that Cobra was running a special on Amazon .

 

[DC Fluid]

Why not recall the order and submit a new one?

Shipped already.

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Amazon still expensive in Canada, can't get USA deals here.
Only $30 difference on my deal.

 

[westwind77]

What did I say about the R1 and R3 that was false?

According to Amazon, these detectors first hit their shelves back in 2017. If we look at these two Uniden detectors very closely we can see they look almost identical (with one exception of course), yet nobody would say or even dare make the claim they are the same detector or that Uniden re-packaged one or the other. I'm almost certain we can agree that while the chassis is similar, the hardware under the hood, and their overall performance differs vastly.

1) They are the same RD, just one with GPS and one without - as far as radar detection goes they are 100% the same, it is just the added feature set of lockouts that is gained with the GPS.

2) The hardware under the hood,(in regard to radar detection), is identical between the two units.

3) Performance does not differ vastly - their performance is identical between the two units.

Did you mean one of the images to be the new DRF9? If so, then everything you said would then become true as there are indeed differences between the R series and the DRF series. The new DRF9 looks very similar to the R series now, the 'old' DRF series was very different looking.



I am glad you are on the forum and running RD's that are not typically run. It gives us new perspective at times and pushes us to test units we might not normally test based on prior company performance.

 

[Cobra Kai]

1) They are the same RD, just one with GPS and one without - as far as radar detection goes they are 100% the same, it is just the added feature set of lockouts that is gained with the GPS.

1) They are the same RD, just one with GPS and one without - as far as radar detection goes they are 100% the same, it is just the added feature set of lockouts that is gained with the GPS.

2) The hardware under the hood,(in regard to radar detection), is identical between the two units.

3) Performance does not differ vastly - their performance is identical between the two units.

Did you mean one of the images to be the new DRF9? If so, then everything you said would then become true as there are indeed differences between the R series and the DRF series. The new DRF9 looks very similar to the R series now, the 'old' DRF series was very different looking.

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I am glad you are on the forum and running RD's that are not typically run. It gives us new perspective at times and pushes us to test units we might not normally test based on prior company performance.

Ah I see what you mean and where I definitely failed in communicating my message. I definitely picked the wrong detectors as you suggested in an earlier post. What I was trying to say was that electronics companies whether they make laptops, radios or in this case radar detectors re-use the same chassis and re-release it with better hardware/features as I believe is the case with the GT-360 and the DP-360 since alot of people believe the DualPro 360 to be a GT-360 with a Cobra logo. My intent wasn't to spread false information or deceive anyone.

OK I ADMIT IT!! I WAS WRONG, AND WHAT I SAID WAS INCORRECT!!! *intended melodramatics*

 

[DC Fluid]

I think the OP is trying to make clear that while the Bel GT-360 and the Cobra DP360 share the same hardware chassis and internal parts, Escort themselves have responded to him that the Cobra is newer and has different BSM filtering, firmware and features.
Performance wise the GT360, DP360, Max 360, and Max360c should all have similar performance based on common hardware.
Firmware and case/display differences and wifi in the 360c really are the only changes that affect the user experience.
Reasoning would conclude they all could have K Notch and the excellent MRCD of the M360c.
Is there motivation for Escort to keep DP360 firmware on par with Max 360 series?
I will learn I suppose.

 

[Cobra Kai]

I think the OP is trying to make clear that while the Bel GT-360 and the Cobra DP360 share the same hardware chassis and internal parts, Escort themselves have responded to him that the Cobra is newer and has different BSM filtering, firmware and features.
Performance wise the GT360, DP360, Max 360, and Max360c should all have similar performance based on common hardware.
Firmware and case/display differences and wifi in the 360c really are the only changes that affect the user experience.
Reasoning would conclude they all could have K Notch and the excellent MRCD of the M360c.
Is there motivation for Escort to keep DP360 firmware on par with Max 360 series?
I will learn I suppose.

We shall see. But yes you're right about what you said. In my haste to deliver a stellar presentation, I didn't research the R1 that well. I've used the R3 and know what it can do, but wasn't too well-studied on the R1 and funny enough based what I said on *gasp* assumption/belief .

Maybe I should take some of my own advice .

 

[westwind77]

Ah I see what you mean and where I definitely failed in communicating my message. I definitely picked the wrong detectors as you suggested in an earlier post. What I was trying to say was that electronics companies whether they make laptops, radios or in this case radar detectors re-use the same chassis and re-release it with better hardware/features as I believe is the case with the GT-360 and the DP-360 since alot of people believe the DualPro 360 to be a GT-360 with a Cobra logo. My intent wasn't to spread false information or deceive anyone.

OK I ADMIT IT!! I WAS WRONG, AND WHAT I SAID WAS INCORRECT!!! *intended melodramatics*

I don't want you to think I was 'picking on you' at all, just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page Yes, as you stated, companies will re-use the same case/shell and update the internals frequently. Obviously computers would take the lead in that department.

Some companies seem to 'play games' at times though. If you look at the Escort they released the Passport (which I owned), then after a while they 'discontinued' that unit and released the X70....which was the exact same RD as the Passport but without the the BT chip....then after a while they discontinued that unit and released the X80, which was the same as the X70 but now had BT.....which was the same as the old Passport they discontinued years prior. The hardware under the hood was all the same, the case too - just the labels changed. It was all marketing to seem like they were introducing new product.

It will be interesting to see what some testing of the above units show though!

 

[Cobra Kai]

I don't want you to think I was 'picking on you' at all, just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page Yes, as you stated, companies will re-use the same case/shell and update the internals frequently. Obviously computers would take the lead in that department.

Some companies seem to 'play games' at times though. If you look at the Escort they released the Passport (which I owned), then after a while they 'discontinued' that unit and released the X70....which was the exact same RD as the Passport but without the the BT chip....then after a while they discontinued that unit and released the X80, which was the same as the X70 but now had BT.....which was the same as the old Passport they discontinued years prior. The hardware under the hood was all the same, the case too - just the labels changed. It was all marketing to seem like they were introducing new product.

It will be interesting to see what some testing of the above units show though!

You're fine man, I was in the Army for 4 years and learned to have thick skin and not take things personally. Just to clear, at no point did I feel like you were "picking on me". I too can't wait for the testing.

 

[drtoddw]

Things change... And you can be the change you desire.
Before the R series came out, the Uniden sub-forum was dead. Everyone had an idea of who built good detectors and frankly, Uniden wasn't part of that. Then the R series was given to some testers, who started posting data without naming the company and asked everyone to guess the manufacturer. Almost no one was able to correctly guess because in most people's minds, Uniden had once been a good brand, but hadn't really been anything exceptional for decades.
The R series showed that things change, and change quickly.
So, what to do? If you like their detector, become a cheerleader, post encounters or testing results and, if what you say is true and verifiable, eventually things will change.

 

[Cobra Kai]

Things change... And you can be the change you desire.
Before the R series came out, the Uniden sub-forum was dead. Everyone had an idea of who built good detectors and frankly, Uniden wasn't part of that. Then the R series was given to some testers, who started posting data without naming the company and asked everyone to guess the manufacturer. Almost no one was able to correctly guess because in most people's minds, Uniden had once been a good brand, but hadn't really been anything exceptional for decades.
The R series showed that things change, and change quickly.
So, what to do? If you like their detector, become a cheerleader, post encounters or testing results and, if what you say is true and verifiable, eventually things will change.

I agree 100%. Thank you for your post. I'm trying lol .

 

[Disco47]

I had a Cobra around 2011. The worst junk ever. Now all their products are basically repackaged Escorts. SAD!!

Ill never buy a Cobra again. If I want an Escort I'll just buy the original product.

 

[DC Fluid]

I had a Cobra around 2011. The worst junk ever. Now all their products are basically repackaged Escorts. SAD!!

Ill never buy a Cobra again. If I want an Escort I'll just buy the original product.

Most of their products are NOT repackaged Escorts, they are still the old same Cobra pieces of $&!T.
A few models have had Escort tech brought over. Like the Elite Series DualPro 360.
Choose wisely....

 

[Signal Environment]

I had a Cobra around 2011. The worst junk ever. Now all their products are basically repackaged Escorts. SAD!!

Ill never buy a Cobra again. If I want an Escort I'll just buy the original product.

Not sure why you think of it as "sad" that they've sharing tech with a company that makes some effective detectors. If they can deliver reasonably comparable performance to Escort at a lower price minus a few bells and whistles, they might very well find a worthwhile position in the market.

Think about it like a Chevy Suburban vs Cadillac Escalade: some people want the badge and all the luxury features, some people just want a big roomy SUV. There's clearly room in the market for both.

Would it be MORE exciting if Cobra was independent and doing all their own engineering? Sure. But a possible return to competence by a big name in the industry is nothing to mourn, even if it does involve some tech sharing with their corporate sibling brand.

 

[Cobra Kai]

Most of their products are NOT repackaged Escorts, they are still the old same Cobra pieces of $&!T.
A few models have had Escort tech brought over. Like the Elite Series DualPro 360.
Choose wisely....

Haha yup. The Rad 450, iRad, and 480i are all cheap, not so great detectors. And that's me being nice.

Not sure why you think of it as "sad" that they've sharing tech with a company that makes some effective detectors. If they can deliver reasonably comparable performance to Escort at a lower price minus a few bells and whistles, they might very well find a worthwhile position in the market.

Think about it like a Chevy Suburban vs Cadillac Escalade: some people want the badge and all the luxury features, some people just want a big roomy SUV. There's clearly room in the market for both.

Would it be MORE exciting if Cobra was independent and doing all their own engineering? Sure. But a possible return to competence by a big name in the industry is nothing to mourn, even if it does involve some tech sharing with their corporate sibling brand.

I think it stems from the belief Cobra isn't innovating. But this isn't really surprising as their parent company is well...Escort lol.

 

[VariableWave]

It took Uniden roughly 20 years to recompete with the world. Just before 1998-ish, Uniden was able to provide near High performance with the V1, before filtering was needed. I ran a LRD2300 for a few years, till new cellular and other devices that killed a non-filter detector was properly needed.

With Cobra, I had my hands on the 480i and had others thanks to Vortex to allow myself and KennyC56 to do a July Mid-tier run and High end as well..... the Cobra did nicely, but its BSMs and other were flawed similar to the Whistler CR97 series.

 

[Disco47]

My opinion of what should happen to Cobra...

 

[VariableWave]

My opinion of what should happen to Cobra...
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I hear ya,,,

Now, if Cobra was like DFR and Escort was R series.... .then keep that MK series on.... Sux that Beltronics is no more, as it was top 3 as Escort was 4 or 5th depending on time and all.

 

[Disco47]

I hear ya,,,

Now, if Cobra was like DFR and Escort was R series.... .then keep that MK series on.... Sux that Beltronics is no more, as it was top 3 as Escort was 4 or 5th depending on time and all.

I used to have a Beltronics Pro 200. Great detector.

I've also had a $100 Cobra... It was total garbage.

 

[VariableWave]

I used to have a Beltronics Pro 200. Great detector.

I've also had a $100 Cobra... It was total garbage.

That model of Cobra to plunder ?