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Hello my esteemed acquaintances of RDForum,

Despite my title, I am not advocating for all Cobra radar detectors. I am of the opinion that their lower end detectors such as the iRad, Rad 450, and Rad 480i are junk and testing results I have seen from other members in the past backs this up. Really the only detector I think worth buying that is a Cobra is the DualPro 360, and maybe Joe Schmoe who doesn't do alot of speeding might get some good use out of the Road Scout.

I am writing this post because I have noticed that despite the DualPro 360 being an excellent detector that has performed exceptionally well for me and for others who have tested/used it, it is still not a detector that people will recommend to others on this forum or isn't considered as a contender detector at all. In fact on my "Introduce Yourself" thread another member said he isn't a fan of Cobra detectors (which is fine), but he also linked me to the radar detector recommendation page in case I decided to "upgrade". While I am certain this comment was not made out of malice, spite or condescension, I can't help but feel if I had been a Max 360 owner, R7 owner, etc owner this would not have been said. But I could be wrong.

I still feel like despite Cobra/Escort putting out an excellent product, alot of people still have this bias against Cobra due to their less than stellar past, which as someone who just got into detectors I will never understand and I accept that. However this is 2020. I am willing to bet if someone told you guys back before Cobra was owned by Escort that there would be a detector with 360 detection in next couple of years, that would actually perform very well with a Cobra logo on it you would call this person mad. In this post I will cover several topics, that I would like everyone to consider very carefully.

I. Overview

I've asked @Vortex to test out the DualPro 360 a few times. And while I understand that outside of being the radar detector guru we all know and love, he has a family, a job and a life outside radar detectors and other CM's and I get that 100%. The reason I bring this up though, is the response I got from him was that the Cobra DualPro 360 is basically just a repackaged Beltronics GT-360. And this is the response I get from alot of people despite there being no testing or any concrete evidence this is actually true. In fact it's based off of nothing more than belief. And being a skeptic, I simply don't agree with this.

To prove my point let's look at two detectors here...

Uniden R1.jpg Uniden R3.jpg

According to Amazon, these detectors first hit their shelves back in 2017. If we look at these two Uniden detectors very closely we can see they look almost identical (with one exception of course), yet nobody would say or even dare make the claim they are the same detector or that Uniden re-packaged one or the other. I'm almost certain we can agree that while the chassis is similar, the hardware under the hood, and their overall performance differs vastly. Yet when we encounter the Cobra DualPro 360 and Beltronics GT-360 people's perception is different.

As someone who also likes computers, it is not uncommon at all for PC companies to utilize the same chassis and change the hardware inside.

Asus Laptop.jpg 61bF3IHQEXL._AC_SX569_.jpg Beltronics-GT-360.jpg

Asus for example has used this chassis for several years, the only thing that changed was the hardware components inside which offered different (superior) performance than their previous generation. When you have a good chassis, you have a good chassis. Look at it from Escort's point of view, this is not a practice in the electronics market that is unheard of, in fact it's VERY COMMON. Uniden did it, why can't Escort/Cobra? Is it really a stretch to think that just maybe these two detectors might in fact be different and offer different performance/features? I understand that their screens/buttons are similar too, but lets be real in computers this is literally also true, so again I ask why is it so controversial or seen as sketchy that Cobra did this?

If you still aren't convinced ask yourself why. There is no side-side testing that exists to confirm this, there is no side-side hardware comparison, etc. There is nothing to support this, except for belief. Apart from the identical chassis, there exists nothing. For the most part (in my experience/opinion) alot of people have a negative opinion of the Cobra namebrand when it comes to radar detectors (which is their right), and automatically assume if it has the Cobra logo, it must be bad even if it looks good. I've seen posts from people saying the DualPro 360 looking promising, but they still don't trust it even though logically speaking that is irrational. The fact of the matter is these products have not been tested side by side and therefore the assumption that they are basically the same is unfounded and without merit. If one day they are tested and found to be similar performing, I for one will take it in humble stride as there now exists data to prove this. Until then, it is as stated: unfounded.

II. Testing

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Before I begin here, I want to show that I've been true to my word. In my review of the Cobra DualPro 360, I stated several times that I compared this unit to the Max 360 (pictured left). The purpose of this picture is to show that I do indeed possess both detectors. The Max 360 belongs to my father, and I own the DualPro 360. Both units have been tested not in a controlled testing type of environment, but running one unit in the same car (Subaru 2017 Forester) to the same places and back home. The Cobra DualPro 360 performed much better. It alerted sooner, and had FAR fewer false alerts. I realize that I am one person, and my results are not scripture from God, but despite this I have seen people recommend the Max 360 over the DualPro 360. And again this recommendation is based off of the assumption that the Cobra must have something wrong it, or there has to be some kind of catch. The idea that it could just be a good unit seems to be never occur. I would like the DualPro 360 to be included in some larger scale testing. To date there is no concrete evidence the Max 360 outperforms the DP360, as such there is no logical reason to recommend it over the DP360 apart from ones personal bias.

GT-360 vs. Max 360 - Here is a post from someone who compared the GT-360 to the Max 360 and in his results the GT-360 outperformed the Max 360. It is my belief the DualPro 360 is better than the GT-360 and if it beat out the Max 360, it isn't far-fetched to think the DualPro 360 is better as well.

Cobra DualPro 360 Ka Band | Cobra DP360 Night Run - Here are some real life detections done by me. Judge for yourself.

Ok so I've made a case that the DP360 is superior to the Max 360, so what? I also owned a Radenso Pro-M before the DP360 and it's range doesn't come close to the DP360, the only area where I feel the Pro-M did better was filtering but not by much. If we compare the DP360 to other detectors in the price range such as the Uniden R7 and V1G2, I'm sure the DP360 falls short to the Uniden's range but let's be real, while the R7 has great range it has inferior BSM when compared to other detectors in the price range and to my knowledge it doesn't have auto lockout. It should be noted too, that the Cobra DP360 can be picked up for $50-100 cheaper than both detectors mentioned and it has alot of the same features both have (arrows, bluetooth, gps, app, etc). What is it missing? Why the loyal fanbase, and accolades because unfortunately people don't take it seriously. This is not an attack on Uniden or Valentine.

III. Final Thoughts

As a member of many hobbies, whether it's firearms, swords, watches, auto-detailing, and now radar detectors in every hobby there exists a brand that people don't like or turn their noses to. Sometimes I am drawn to these brands, and sometimes I am not. But in the case of radar detectors, I am. I know some people might be thinking that if I want to change perceptions on the DP360, I should do something about it. And I would argue that by making my review, and this post I AM doing something about it. If people actually expect me to buy a bunch of radar guns, or laser which cost thousands of dollars and do my own testing, you are being very unrealistic. While I understand that in a hobby there will always be brands that have proven themselves through stellar reputations and quality, there will also be ones that are trying to do better and go largely ignored (Cobra). I am not saying Cobra deserves a huge loyal fanbase and accolades, but what I am saying is that the DP360 should stop being regarded as a poor attempt by Cobra to sell a re-packaged GT-360 and instead be tested and if it is shown to be a good radar detector then it should be given it's proper respect. In the future it is very possible that the detector could be tested against "the big boys" and fail miserably, if this happens so be it. But for now my impression is that the DP360 is a hidden gem or a diamond in the rough that could be a cheaper alternative to alot of these $480-$500 detectors. Despite my tone I am not trying to be hostile or antagonistic. When one feels very strongly about something they say things (or in this type things) with a great degree of passion and that is how strongly I feel about my case and point that the DualPro 360 is a great detector.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, and have a nice day.

- Carlos
 
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I am in the process of aquiring the DP360. I hope the vendor contacts me with amount to pay soon.
I will be running the DP360 for a while to get on road feel for it's BSMs and such, user friendliness etc.

The proof of performance will be in testing.
It will be directly and fairly compared against:
R7 (2 of them)
R3
Pro M
Escort Max II
9500ix (3 of them)
Theia upon arrival.


I was looking for a good "Escort" representative to mix into my test group.
Redline 360c is a no go. Not readily available here yet, plus too pricy as an addition to a collection.
Max 360c is too pricy for the performance, even used. But it has made improvements in recent firmwares in some areas.
Cobra DualPro. Killer deal I'm working on. Should match Max 360 series range at least. Not a common detector seen or reviewed, so it has appeal as a test subject that will gather interest on it's performaces.

@Cobra Kai You should have seen the flaming against the Escorts Max 360(c) models a year and a half ago.
They have quieted down as Escort did (very slowly) reduce issues through firmware.
Cobra detectors have a running joke(s) with enthusiasts who see bottom end Walmart bubble wrap detectors used futiley in the wild. Hint: if a detector is on sale at a truck stop, keep driving to a real retailer. LOL.
I hope Cobra DualPro has benefitted from that and comes ready to compete.
I hope Escort can renew a brand name into a worthwhile competitor.
We shall see.
 

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I am in the process of aquiring the DP360. I hope the vendor contacts me with amount to pay soon.
I will be running the DP360 for a while to get on road feel for it's BSMs and such, user friendliness etc.

The proof of performance will be in testing.
It will be directly and fairly compared against:
R7 (2 of them)
R3
Pro M
Escort Max II
9500ix (3 of them)
Theia upon arrival.


I was looking for a good "Escort" representative to mix into my test group.
Redline 360c is a no go. Not readily available here yet, plus too pricy as an addition to a collection.
Max 360c is too pricy for the performance, even used. But it has made improvements in recent firmwares in some areas.
Cobra DualPro. Killer deal I'm working on. Should match Max 360 series range at least. Not a common detector seen or reviewed, so it has appeal as a test subject that will gather interest on it's performaces.

@Cobra Kai You should have seen the flaming against the Escorts Max 360(c) models a year and a half ago.
They have quieted down as Escort did (very slowly) reduce issues through firmware.
Cobra detectors have a running joke(s) with enthusiasts who see bottom end Walmart bubble wrap detectors used futiley in the wild. Hint: if a detector is on sale at a truck stop, keep driving to a real retailer. LOL.
I hope Cobra DualPro has benefitted from that and comes ready to compete.
I hope Escort can renew a brand name into a worthwhile competitor.
We shall see.

Thanks for your response. I can't wait for the testing 😎 (assuming you get the DP360). Don't forget there's a guy on here selling his too.
 

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Nice to see someone championing the underdog. :)

I was hoping the Rad 480i would give the DFR7 a run for its money as a cheap but effective detector, but results on that so far have seemed disappointing. Glad to hear that your driving experience with the Dual Pro has been more positive.

On internet forums in general, there can be some danger of consensus becoming too strong on certain topics. This forum is generally better than most about testing assumptions with empirical data, but that doesn't make us totally immune to some level of group-think.

I'll definitely be curious to see how the Dual Pro does in testing.
 

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Nice to see someone championing the underdog. :)

I was hoping the Rad 480i would give the DFR7 a run for its money as a cheap but effective detector, but results on that so far have seemed disappointing. Glad to hear that your driving experience with the Dual Pro has been more positive.

On internet forums in general, there can be some danger of consensus becoming too strong on certain topics. This forum is generally better than most about testing assumptions with empirical data, but that doesn't make us totally immune to some level of group-think.

I'll definitely be curious to see how the Dual Pro does in testing.

Thanks for giving my thread a like, and for your response. Regardless of the hobby I always go for a different brand than most people. I don't like being part of some echo-chamber, which is why in the auto-detailing hobby I can't stand people who are Turtle Wax Seal-N-Shine fanboys. In any case, I hope this thread at the very least gets the conversation going, which in turn gets some testing going, which will result in some changes to peoples perceptions 🙂.
 

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To prove my point let's look at two detectors here...

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According to Amazon, these detectors first hit their shelves back in 2017. If we look at these two Uniden detectors very closely we can see they look almost identical (with one exception of course), yet nobody would say or even dare make the claim they are the same detector or that Uniden re-packaged one or the other. I'm almost certain we can agree that while the chassis is similar, the hardware under the hood, and their overall performance differs vastly. Yet when we encounter the Cobra DualPro 360 and Beltronics GT-360 people's perception is different.

That is the Uniden R3 & R1 - they are indeed identical.....except that the R1 does not have a GPS chip, that is the only hardware difference. As for performance they are basically identical in performance, and there were a few tests showing the R1 beating out the R3 when this 1st started (by a hair). The two units differ only by the GPS chip.

Did you mean to put a different RD up for comparison?
 

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Well, it's put up or shut up time.
Cobra DualPro 360 has been ordered and shipped.
2 new radar guns are arriving, a Talon is waiting at post office, a Golden Eagle is a few days out.
Add to the Falcon HR, Python II K & Ka and Bushnell Velocity I think I can run many tests again the Cobra for a fair evaluation.
 

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@Cobra Kai
Good on you for wanting to see some of these tests.
Might suggest you pick up a gun and try it yourself too? Start with a cheap Bushnell from Amazon

I think some of the stigma in testing detectors, that some feel are of lesser quality, has to do with cost and time.

We do know that Cobra is a part of Escort. The lower end. Usually using a cheaper BOM to produce... thus cheaper to buy.

If you imagine, there must be a pretty good slash to the invoice price if your able to buy it from Wal-Mart. They’re not giving up shelf space unless Wal-Mart can get their pound of flesh.

Even though Cobra may share some of the same tech.... same patents.... we usually just test the parent company.... more or less ...... due to the higher cost.... and perceived better quality of parts.

Now if the parent companies offering blows everything out of the water.... we might take a look.... but it didn’t.... so we don’t really bother testing the much cheaper twin.

Really, I would not expect that a - - 360 at $200 cheaper, will out perform a M360 at $200 more. Just saying. So that’s another reason we do not rush to test them.

Time to set the course.
Time to do multiple runs to get a good average
Cost to have the multiple detectors to test against.
Cost of fuel

Good on anyone that want to do it. The more the better.... but that’s probably a reason not many rush out to test cobra detectors.
Just my 2¢
 

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I thought you used that name because you are into marshal arts, or however you spell it. I dont think you have to explain yourself to anyone on here. You have the detector that makes you happy, run it and be proud. Put your results up, and let the na sayers keep rolling. As I'm sure you have seen, some people, myself included on certain subjects like to argue, and even if you show " proof" you will not convince them. You seem like a solid guy, I appreciate your feedback.
 

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That is the Uniden R3 & R1 - they are indeed identical.....except that the R1 does not have a GPS chip, that is the only hardware difference. As for performance they are basically identical in performance, and there were a few tests showing the R1 beating out the R3 when this 1st started (by a hair). The two units differ only by the GPS chip.

Did you mean to put a different RD up for comparison?

No I meant what I said, and your response whether you know it or not basically proves my point about the GT-360 and the DP360. But really both the R1 and R3 have been tested extensively and the GT-360/DP-360 haven't been so any differences besides those revealed by Uniden are better known and Escort/Cobra remain unknown.

Well, it's put up or shut up time.
Cobra DualPro 360 has been ordered and shipped.
2 new radar guns are arriving, a Talon is waiting at post office, a Golden Eagle is a few days out.
Add to the Falcon HR, Python II K & Ka and Bushnell Velocity I think I can run many tests again the Cobra for a fair evaluation.

Nice I look forward to it 😎.

I thought you used that name because you are into marshal arts, or however you spell it. I dont think you have to explain yourself to anyone on here. You have the detector that makes you happy, run it and be proud. Put your results up, and let the na sayers keep rolling. As I'm sure you have seen, some people, myself included on certain subjects like to argue, and even if you show " proof" you will not convince them. You seem like a solid guy, I appreciate your feedback.

I am a big fan of the show "Cobra Kai" and of the Karate Kid saga. I do however have a black belt in the Japanese martial art Judo, so you're not wrong. My name has nothing to do with the Cobra Electronics. And yeah, I agree with everything you said. I've said my piece and I'm done. People can believe what they want. I can see @Vortex has said his piece too with the thumbs up 😎.
 

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No I meant what I said, and your response whether you know it or not basically proves my point about the GT-360 and the DP360. But really both the R1 and R3 have been tested extensively and the GT-360/DP-360 haven't been so any differences besides those revealed by Uniden are better known and Escort/Cobra remain unknown.



Nice I look forward to it 😎.



I am a big fan of the show "Cobra Kai" and of the Karate Kid saga. I do however have a black belt in the Japanese martial art Judo, so you're not wrong. My name has nothing to do with the Cobra Electronics. And yeah, I agree with everything you said. I've said my piece and I'm done. People can believe what they want. I can see @Vortex has said his piece too with the thumbs up 😎.
I know kung foo and Ten other Chinese words. I studied " pick up a brick" " run like hell" and " wait in the dark and hit them in the back of the head with a bat" lol for real @Andrew21 is the real deal bad ass. I've seen some pics of him back in the day.
 

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Interesting.

I can't say i've ever seen a cheap cobra product that worked anywhere near the claimed specifications, so they're just a brand i tend to ignore.
Their general market doesn't seem to be those who want a performant product ... whether that be a radar detector or a walkie talkie. Their market seems to be people who want the cheapest product against stated specifications, but whom don't actually validate that the product meets those specs.

I don't really have a problem with a company filling that niche. It's just not a niche i'm often part of. Cobra earned their reputation fair and square.

The fact that occasionally cobra scores a run doesn't really change my opinion of them missing the ball the majority of the time.
If the cobra does the job, go in peace and be happy, i say. It doesn't mean i'm going to be seeking out the cobra product next time.

Meh.
 

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Interesting.

I can't say i've ever seen a cheap cobra product that worked anywhere near the claimed specifications, so they're just a brand i tend to ignore.
Their general market doesn't seem to be those who want a performant product ... whether that be a radar detector or a walkie talkie. Their market seems to be people who want the cheapest product against stated specifications, but whom don't actually validate that the product meets those specs.

I don't really have a problem with a company filling that niche. It's just not a niche i'm often part of. Cobra earned their reputation fair and square.

The fact that occasionally cobra scores a run doesn't really change my opinion of them missing the ball the majority of the time.
If the cobra does the job, go in peace and be happy, i say. It doesn't mean i'm going to be seeking out the cobra product next time.

Meh.
Not sure anyone is asking you to. He just stayed his experiences, and you stated yours, and you're right, we can all go in peace, love, and tranquillity.
 

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One thing definitely in favor of the DP360 vs. Max 360 is size.
For basically the same internals, same software, horns etc, a few small feature differences, what a huge bulbous case on the Escort.
They certainly made a step forward with the Max 360c in size and style.
The Cobra is very compact and should fit nicely in my chosen location.
 

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Interesting.

I can't say i've ever seen a cheap cobra product that worked anywhere near the claimed specifications, so they're just a brand i tend to ignore.
Their general market doesn't seem to be those who want a performant product ... whether that be a radar detector or a walkie talkie. Their market seems to be people who want the cheapest product against stated specifications, but whom don't actually validate that the product meets those specs.

I don't really have a problem with a company filling that niche. It's just not a niche i'm often part of. Cobra earned their reputation fair and square.

The fact that occasionally cobra scores a run doesn't really change my opinion of them missing the ball the majority of the time.
If the cobra does the job, go in peace and be happy, i say. It doesn't mean i'm going to be seeking out the cobra product next time.

Meh.

As Bossdad said Im not trying to fanboy for Cobra. My point is that the DualPro 360 is a great detector and should be tested and if it passes be recognized as such.
 

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As Bossdad said Im not trying to fanboy for Cobra. My point is that the DualPro 360 is a great detector and should be tested and if it passes recognized as such.
Absolutely. I didn't think you were. It sounds like cobra may have a solid hit there.

I was just saying why enthusiasts may tend to forget about them. When someone fails repeatedly and doesn't show much capacity for improvement, they tend to get written off. Sometimes my posts can drift a bit, lol.

A little excitement about cobra is rare and refreshing. Seems like the last stir was cobra's first detector with an LNA?
 

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Absolutely. I didn't think you were. It sounds like cobra may have a solid hit there.

I was just saying why enthusiasts may tend to forget about them. When someone fails repeatedly and doesn't show much capacity for improvement, they tend to get written off. Sometimes my posts can drift a bit, lol.

A little excitement about cobra is rare and refreshing. Seems like the last stir was cobra's first detector with an LNA?
That makes sense, get let down so many times it's hard to get excited. That would be like if whistler would come out with a detector that would come close to any of the high ends. Good entry model for the college kid that drives 3 miles a day I guess
 

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No I meant what I said, and your response whether you know it or not basically proves my point about the GT-360 and the DP360. But really both the R1 and R3 have been tested extensively and the GT-360/DP-360 haven't been so any differences besides those revealed by Uniden are better known and Escort/Cobra remain unknown.
I'm not talking about any of the other RD's you are comparing. You stated misleading and false information about the R1 & R3, unless you were being sarcastic. Just wanted to make sure you knew the truth as we do not want to mislead other new members.

As for the other RD's, looks like some hard testing will be conducted soon!

II. Testing

The Max 360 belongs to my father, and I own the DualPro 360. Both units have been tested not in a controlled testing type of environment, but running one unit in the same car (Subaru 2017 Forester) to the same places and back home. The Cobra DualPro 360 performed much better. It alerted sooner, and had FAR fewer false alerts.
It sounds like you ran these at different times during different encounters, if so, you can not really judge performance between each unit as the encounters can greatly differ with regard to terrain, traffic, ant. direction, etc.

The only accurate way it so find a LEO actively radaring (stationary) and make at least two runs with each RD. That will give you the true results you are after. I have had really long alerts with my M360, and really short alerts with my R3 before. Does that mean the M360 is a far 'better' unit, no. The R3 is far more sensitive, but each encounter is different. You need a 'control' to test against for accurate results. Sometimes you can get a feeling how each one performs from prior history so I cannot totally discount your feelings, but there is really one 'true' way to test between units.

I am not saying one unit is better than another, I just know what prior testing has shown. I am very interested to see what the upcoming testing will show as well.
 

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