Why Theia at a price point of $1000+ is not cost effective.

[thesilverbullet]

V1 platinum?

So I wanted to have a V1 for once and try it out. Found this in France and bought it for $250. Has the ka 35.5 firmware, don't remember the exact firmware version but its something like 3.892. I don't mind if it doesn't have K-junk fighter since K-band isn't used in my area. Has anyone seen...

www.rdforum.org

i’m referring to a boneified radenso built prototype. not some jack leg deal...

 

[G39x]

Theia isn’t just a radar and laser detector and I think many of you keep forgetting that. It has the potential to do many other things in the future with the hardware it processes.

What?! So you are telling me it has the potential to make me breakfast? This is breaking news!

 

[Boozehound]

Lets not get carried away again.....Mother Nature will have something to say about the performance too....

Mother Nature, Brother Zed, and Father Pfleger all had something to say about performance.

 

[DifferentialT]

how many folks would pay $1,999 for a RDF limited edition prototype?

Not a chance. Happy to stick to RL360c or V1. G2 for now. But I am:

 

[Deacon]

or the traditional meaning of hardware or software that is not yet available to buy?

That is not a meaning, traditional or otherwise. It has never been the meaning. Your unsourced screen cap is what happens when old people working for dying dictionary publishing corporations write stupid stuff down they don’t understand and call it a day, like urban dictionary for soccer moms or someone who takes Seth Meyers’ “teen slang” segment seriously.

EVERYTHING is announced before it’s available for sale, but not EVERYTHING is “vaporware” in the same way that not every photograph of you is a “selfie” and not every dumb video VileGuy posts is really an “EPIC SAVE”... Get back to us when the world is normal again and the current well-understood global supply crisis is well behind us and Theia is a joke memory, and you can call it vaporware.

This kind of unearned confidence among the lowest common denominator is why they had to rename 802.11ax to WiFi 6.

EDIT: And no, it’s not pronounced “whiffee” no matter what some idiot puts on the Internet.

 

[elantra04]

That is not a meaning, traditional or otherwise. It has never been the meaning. Your unsourced screen cap is what happens when old people working for dying dictionary publishing corporations write stupid stuff down they don’t understand and call it a day, like urban dictionary for soccer moms or someone who takes Seth Meyers’ “teen slang” segment seriously.

EVERYTHING is announced before it’s available for sale, but not EVERYTHING is “vaporware” in the same way that not every photograph of you is a “selfie” and not every dumb video VileGuy posts is really an “EPIC SAVE”... Get back to us when the world is normal again and the current well-understood global supply crisis is well behind us and Theia is a joke memory, and you can call it vaporware.

This kind of unearned confidence among the lowest common denominator is why they had to rename 802.11ax to WiFi 6.

EDIT: And no, it’s not pronounced “whiffee” no matter what some idiot puts on the Internet.

I mean, it’s no Duke Nukem Forever, no. Though when it did eventually show its face, it was awful, thereby proving the early prognosticators correct.

 

[Deacon]

I mean, it’s no Duke Nukem Forever, no. Though when it did eventually show its face, it was awful, thereby proving the early prognosticators correct.

It’s easy to sit back and declare everything to be shit and then later disappear when it’s not or gloat if it is. Especially in the CM world, where some came in declaring that VR was dead. I’m confident Theia won’t become vaporware, and I’m hopeful it lives up to its promise. There are very real, basic, and easily understandable reasons for the delay in its release. And with the ground it’s breaking, it wouldn’t have been surprising if there were purely teething pains in getting it developed fully to be ready for release even without all the other craziness of the past year.

Radenso has provided us with unprecedented transparency and engagement during the creation of Theia, and causally crapping on it and writing it all off as vaporware does both us and them an absolutely inappropriate disservice.

 

[madkow70]

Hahaha. The "cost effectiveness" and the value proposition for anything is relative to every individual and the situation that individual is in, no?

I suspect that certainly mid-performing RD at $150 may be "cost effective" for some group of people out there.
just as that, Theia at any price point may be "cost effective" for their target demographic that Radenso has in mind.

For me, I would not mind paying unreasonable amount of premium over V1G2's $499, as long as Theia produces better performance.... Even if it costs $2k and it performs only 5% better than V1G2. For me, that meets my "cost effective" requirement. I would pay significant $ for every tiny bit of advantage.. that's just me. and I am absolutely convinced that there are others like me out there. perhaps only very few.

From what I understood as the founding philosophy of Radenso, I those they were true enthusiasts who wanted to create something technically superior over anything else out in the market now.
To address the general consumers, I'm sure that they would continue offering other RDs that would meet the larger group of RD consumer's budget.

Looking at C-class Mercedes Benzes, they are incredible transportation product that returns high value proposition and demonstrates "cost effectiveness". Simply stating an S-Class is "not cost-effective" by simply considering the price point, would be incorrect.

Perhaps the a better question should have been asked: "why Theia is not cost effective for the MAJORITY of RD consumers?"

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[Boozehound]

Hahaha. The "cost effectiveness" and the value proposition for anything is relative to every individual and the situation that individual is in, no?

I suspect that certainly mid-performing RD at $150 may be "cost effective" for some group of people out there.
just as that, Theia at any price point may be "cost effective" for their target demographic that Radenso has in mind.

For me, I would not mind paying unreasonable amount of premium over V1G2's $499, as long as Theia produces better performance.... Even if it costs $2k and it performs only 5% better than V1G2. For me, that meets my "cost effective" requirement. I would pay significant $ for every tiny bit of advantage.. that's just me. and I am absolutely convinced that there are others like me out there. perhaps only very few.

From what I understood as the founding philosophy of Radenso, I those they were true enthusiasts who wanted to create something technically superior over anything else out in the market now.
To address the general consumers, I'm sure that they would continue offering other RDs that would meet the larger group of RD consumer's budget.

Looking at C-class Mercedes Benzes, they are incredible transportation product that returns high value proposition and demonstrates "cost effectiveness". Simply stating an S-Class is "not cost-effective" by simply considering the price point, would be incorrect.

Perhaps the a better question should have been asked: "why Theia is not cost effective for the MAJORITY of RD consumers?"

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You gave us a textbook example of the law of diminishing returns. I believe Jon is aiming higher than that. This is more likely to be a case of twice the price but infinitely better results in regards to falsing. Twice the range in K band wouldn't surprise me either. How about alerting to K band threats that G2 or R360c ignore?

Maybe down the road Radenso will build something stupidly priced in small quantities that offers diminishing returns for a lot more. But that RD would likely be larger and Theia is already a large RD. Either way the future is promising.

 

[DC Fluid]

It’s easy to sit back and declare everything to be shit and then later disappear when it’s not or gloat if it is. Especially in the CM world, where some came in declaring that VR was dead. I’m confident Theia won’t become vaporware, and I’m hopeful it lives up to its promise. There are very real, basic, and easily understandable reasons for the delay in its release. And with the ground it’s breaking, it wouldn’t have been surprising if there were purely teething pains in getting it developed fully to be ready for release even without all the other craziness of the past year.

Radenso has provided us with unprecedented transparency and engagement during the creation of Theia, and causally crapping on it and writing it all off as vaporware does both us and them an absolutely inappropriate disservice.

This is a pretty clean, concise statement regarding the issues.
Well said.

 

[elantra04]

It’s easy to sit back and declare everything to be shit and then later disappear when it’s not or gloat if it is. Especially in the CM world, where some came in declaring that VR was dead. I’m confident Theia won’t become vaporware, and I’m hopeful it lives up to its promise. There are very real, basic, and easily understandable reasons for the delay in its release. And with the ground it’s breaking, it wouldn’t have been surprising if there were purely teething pains in getting it developed fully to be ready for release even without all the other craziness of the past year.

Radenso has provided us with unprecedented transparency and engagement during the creation of Theia, and causally crapping on it and writing it all off as vaporware does both us and them an absolutely inappropriate disservice.

Do you have some financial interest in this company? The reason I ask is this overly dramatic defense anytime someone makes the slightest critical comment. It comes across odd, at least to me.

Also, I completely agree there is teething pains with its development and that’s the reason for the delay. Thanks for finally acknowledging that Radenso’s stated reason didn’t fully pass the smell test.

 

[DC Fluid]

Do you have some financial interest in this company?

That's not even a thinly veiled insult of @Deacon statements.
If there's anything I've learned here, some of these members have lots of history and question everything, giving very few an easy go or endorsement, without having actual solid reasons to do so.
If Radenso was pulling a fast one, Deacon and several others here would be all over it without mercy, and all these keyboard critics and naysayers would be out a job.
Try to read back through the history somewhat instead of jumping in at the 11th hour joining the elementary school bullies.

 

[elantra04]

Do you have some financial interest in this company?

That's not even a thinly veiled insult of @Deacon statements.
If there's anything I've learned here, some of these members have lots of history and question everything, giving very few an easy go or endorsement, without having actual solid reasons to do so.
If Radenso was pulling a fast one, Deacon and several others here would be all over it without mercy, and all these keyboard critics and naysayers would be out a job.
Try to read back through the history somewhat instead of jumping in at the 11th hour joining the elementary school bullies.

All I’m saying is I find it suspicious when someone finds it necessary to vigorously defend a company by attacking other members who merely raise doubts about a product that’s been hyped for years, misses release dates, the company won’t produce any data, even preliminary, or even show a picture of the prototype (hell, even a rudimentary pic of the exterior) Is it really unreasonable to merely ask clarifying questions about “employee builds” that Radenso itself referenced?

 

[Randy at Radenso]

All I’m saying is I find it suspicious when someone finds it necessary to vigorously defend a company by attacking other members who merely raise doubts about a product that’s been hyped for years, misses release dates, the company won’t produce any data, even preliminary, or even show a picture of the prototype (hell, even a rudimentary pic of the exterior) Is it really unreasonable to merely ask clarifying questions about “employee builds” that Radenso itself referenced?

We did show a prototype at SEMA and a competitor responded to it with a new product already. We are not going to be showing anymore prototypes and only final versions of product closer when we have a set pre-order date. We are not going to risk giving more information to our competitors just so you can feel better about your vaporwear theories. Our careers matter more than that and I’m sure if your job was on the line, you would too.

 

[jfr0317]

We did show a prototype at SEMA and a competitor responded to it with a new product already. We are not going to be showing anymore prototypes and only final versions of product closer when we have a set pre-order date. We are not going to risk giving more information to our competitors just so you can feel better about your vaporwear theories. Our careers matter more than that and I’m sure if your job was on the line, you would too.

This is actually the best, most reasonable response from Radenso to the delayed availability/lack of further information issues I have seen. No offense, Randy, but it surely beats the standard "Sign up for updates, etc" response. Good luck with getting the new product developed!

 

[elantra04]

We did show a prototype at SEMA and a competitor responded to it with a new product already. We are not going to be showing anymore prototypes and only final versions of product closer when we have a set pre-order date. We are not going to risk giving more information to our competitors just so you can feel better about your vaporwear theories. Our careers matter more than that and I’m sure if your job was on the line, you would too.

I’m curious, what competitor released a product in response to your prototype?

 

[DC Fluid]

All I’m saying is I find it suspicious when someone finds it necessary to vigorously defend a company by attacking other members who merely raise doubts about a product that’s been hyped for years, misses release dates, the company won’t produce any data, even preliminary, or even show a picture of the prototype (hell, even a rudimentary pic of the exterior) Is it really unreasonable to merely ask clarifying questions about “employee builds” that Radenso itself referenced?

Great thing about RDF, if your suspicious, look through the history and standing of members to see more about who has captured your attentions.
You'll soon see a profile of the persons in question, and where their view points come from.
Admins don't let things get too crazy here, so it's one of the most civil sites I've seen. Mostly...

 

[NorEaster18]

I’m curious, what competitor released a product in response to your prototype?

Probably referring to the Redline 360c launch, which had the "AI" buzzword plastered all over it's advertisement. Hell, Escort plastered it all over all of their detectors that have GPS lockouts, including the stone age 9500ix! The idea of AI being used in/with a radar detector was barely floated before the Theia unveiling at SEMA 2019. No doubt in anyone's mind here that Escort was taking advantage of the info Radenso put out and using it as blatantly false advertising for all of its detectors, including its new halo product.

 

[DC Fluid]

Probably referring to the Redline 360c launch, which had the "AI" buzzword plastered all over it's advertisement. Hell, Escort plastered it all over all of their detectors that have GPS lockouts, including the stone age 9500ix! The idea of AI being used in/with a radar detector was barely floated before the Theia unveiling at SEMA 2019. No doubt in anyone's mind here that Escort was taking advantage of the info Radenso put out and using it as blatantly false advertising for all of its detectors, including its new halo product.

And how the RL360c seemed slightly rushed to market without much refinement.
Without RDF inputs they probably would still be trying to sell a dud.

 

[elantra04]

Probably referring to the Redline 360c launch, which had the "AI" buzzword plastered all over it's advertisement. Hell, Escort plastered it all over all of their detectors that have GPS lockouts, including the stone age 9500ix! The idea of AI being used in/with a radar detector was barely floated before the Theia unveiling at SEMA 2019. No doubt in anyone's mind here that Escort was taking advantage of the info Radenso put out and using it as blatantly false advertising for all of its detectors, including its new halo product.

Yeah, except all they did was at best copy some marketing fluff. They didn’t copy any actual features. Its also not exactly rocket science to slap the words AI on your product to help it sell. You don’t need a SEMA “prototype” to do that.