Remembrance Day Falcon HR vs. Everything Else Testing

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Hi again!
While I have the loaner Falcon HR low powered K gun, I'm trying to run as many scenerios as I can.
Today I run it against multiple detector settings to see if we should fear the Falcon, or do we have the tools to defend against it?
Think of this as a part II of the long range testing done here:

This time, the offensive line:
Kustom Falcon HR 24.118 - Most runs against this gun. Only runs with no color in description are by other guns. Others are labelled as such.
Bushnell Velocity 24.128
MPH Python II K band 24.158
MPH Python II Ka band 33.779

The defensive lineup:
R7A - with 129. firmware.
R7B - with 133. firmware
R3 - with 1.54 firmware
Pro M - with US22 firmware

The course:
Forest service road North of my home.
I had 1 pickup truck pass me during testing, the very last run vs Ka 33.8. No other vehicles on course.
Road was rolling elevation, curving, heavily forested on sides.
I shot the guns down the stretch at about 10 degrees from parrallel, from a pullout on the side.
Very terrain limited, you will see it difficult to get more than 1100 meters, then they all alert close after that.
Exception of course is the R Series on highway mode, reach out and touch someone!

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Here is my last run vs. 33.8, captured on my Viofo dashcam. The other videos don't show the road well because of exposure, but show the devices better.

Here are some runs against the Falcon HR and the dash view. All Unidens shared the same mount, Pro M beside them.
Thanks to @ferius for the great RD Test app, see it in action. @Vortex I feel your pain in editing this stuff, and I'm doing 1/100th of what you go through.
Forgive the Pro M K band tone, had to make it noisy for the app to register as well as the Unidens.




Now the results:
One run only for each setting. There are some readings higher or lower than where we would expect them to rank, but there is lots of terrain and foilage obstacles, so luck of the draw. No battery fade at all, the large capacity AGM ATV battery laughs off the guns like they don't exist. I put it onto the 4 amp charger after running all the Falcon tests, and it was fully charged long before the 3 Bushnell runs were completed. Basically barely measureable drain.
Bushnell for 3 runs.
Python II K 3 runs but 50% run I messed up saving it and video didn't show it.
Python II Ka 33.8 one run for sensitivity comparison. This one seems really strong coming and going. Great Ka alerts from the R7.
Again, no traffic on this course, no civilization or communications either. Only intermittent cell reception on high ground.
In order that the runs were driven:
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In order of strongest to weakest receptions:
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In previous testing, R7B has bested the R7A by 1 to 2% on maximum range, long distance tests. R7A returned the favor when set up as an off-axis test.
R3 won the last off axis, but longer course than this, besting both R7s by a bit. R3 was down on overall long distance range to both R7s.
Here, both R7s are within 1/2% of each other on Highway. They both spanked the R3 hard this test. I'm shocked, never had that much separation between R7 and R3 at any point before. That little bit extra sensitivity helped reach out over some terrain and the R3 ended up in a blind spot until it got closer up towards the summit. R7s can pluck up signals over hills much better.
Three runs all had 1081 meters, not a mistake, even though the R7 City and 50% got the same on the Bushnell, I witnessed it live and indeed a tie.
Pro M had it's first 4 places covered by 50 meters. Obviously picking up where terrain permits.
As the Unidens were reduved in sensitivity they also started closing down to the 1000-1100 meter ranges.
From previous tests I observed the Pro M drops off dramatically when filter level rises to K4. I didn't run anything past K5 today, as I feel you want alerts before the kill zone.
Pro M anything higher than K3 Filter (TSR low or high) I'm not comfortable running against a K Band enforcement area. BC Canada has K multiplying like rabbits, everywhere.
Places like Edmonton, if in non-K areas, but facing MRCD, you could raise up K Filter more for quiet operation, and maintain Highway sensitivity with smart Auto City settings. Auto City is one of the Pro M killer features, in addition to the excellent MR detection abilities and BSM filtering.
Outright sensitivity is not the Pro M strength. But it bats an average equal to Escort Max series so it's decent.
I'm going to post the average scores for each detector vs. the HR next, need a few minutes...

Summary:
I'm curious as to the averages, R7 129 vs. 133.
Does't appear to be any damage to R7 range or reactivity based on this and my previous 2 tests.
R3 took it on the chin today, falling between R7 and Pro M. Usually it nips at the heels of the R7 and keeps them honest. Today was too tough for it to hang in there.
Pro M performed better than I thought, and better than some previous off axis, terrain limited courses.
I think it was that 1000-1100 meter terrain spot where you crested the hill and rounded the curve for a straight shot toward guns. It was what it was...

Guns:
Falcon HR - I've run 4 tests againt many detectors now. While a nice gun, and advertised as low powered, I'm no longer afraid of encountering it.
Every detector alerts to it very well. Unidens light up like Christmas when it's around.
I've picked it up over 9 kilometers away on hilly highway stretch with R7s. Over 5 kms at 45 degree off axis with all 3 R Series.
It's as strong or stronger than the Bushnell Velocity. Only slightly less distance than Python II K Band.
The worst thing about the Falcon HR is it's most likely an I/O hand held ambush shot. The way it's used is what's making this deadly. Detectors pick it up just fine.
Bushnell Velocity - Kudos to my first gun. It's a near match to the Falcon HR in performance, very thrifty on the 2 C batteries (which I have a whole bunch of rechargeables), is low cost, simple, frequency adjustable.... Lots to like and an excellent gun for testing.
The only Bushnell quirk I have noticed is sometimes the R series takes a second to alert if I've been driving for a while then pull the trigger. It seems to wake up and alerts instantly after that.
The Falcon HR gives the R7 an alert instantly every time. LEO grade vs Non-LEO getting a filter check???
Python II K - More power than both the others, but that only seems to add a bit more warning distance. Similar as to how a detector sensitivity is non-linear, you need lots more juice to make a little more distance. Twice the power output = maybe 20% more warning distance?
Python II Ka 33.8 - This was interesting, a near match for Python K band. Same power output, different antennas. Hmmmm. At least I know Ka alerts well in these conditions.

That's all for now, back to the spreadsheet for averages.
Cheers,
 
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Glad to see the R3/R1 era is that threat that sets, in my thoughts, the base that one should think about. With that said, a Radenso with that Rabid speed ahead, will assist to help a top mid unit (R series Top Highend) that driver in average early to slow, hopefully not following ticket land.
 

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Thank you for testing, especially K band. Glad to see the goof performance against the HR.
 

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Nicely done.
I echo your statements on the Bushnell. Great, cheap, easily acquired gun for testing.
Better yet that you can adjust the frequency on your own too
I've seen a lot of hate and naysayers regarding the use of the Bushnell Velocity as a viable test gun.
The criticism is without merit.
Every K Band gun I've pulled the trigger on behaves the same.
Similar distances, characteristics, speed measuring ability, consistency....
From what I've seen, the Falcon HR is a very nice gun. The Bushnell Velocity is a consumer gun that mimics it very well.
A Bushnell should be a recommended gun for everyone who tests.
Effective and affordable.
We already had a low powered K gun before the HR.
 

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I have to state that after many tests, I conclude that trees and foilage seem to be the biggest radar blocking/absorbing limiting factor. Mother earth is also a great blocker but line the course with trees and signal gets killed.
If I go to more open terrain, even with hills and dips, reception distances increase greatly.
On flat and straight terrain I can get sub 1 km receptions simply by having the gun off highway centerline, behind foilage.
Foilage also provides LEOs with great hiding locations.
The Falcon HR is best used in these I/O foilage covered traps, where a rabbit close by is mandatory.
The issue of the HR being K Band also plays into the RD user mind, if that faint early warning is genuine or another alert to dismiss or gets filtered out.
I suppose most of the above is true for any K Band gun, it's how it gets used against you that counts.
 
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You are a testing machine lately. Very well done, thank you.
Thanks!
When you get a loaner radar gun you ride it like a rented mule, right? :D:p
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I forgot to attach these photos from my phone.
Here is the gun setup and view down the course.
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Damn, those trees are sneaky up there...!
 

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Thank you for testing. Your presentation is awesome.
I believe I saw my local pd with that Falcon HR the other day. R7 picked it up just fine.
 

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I think I saw that road on the series Ice Road Truckers.
Oh, come on man! I'm not that far north!
It's 8 hours to the Alaskan panhandle, and at least double that to the Arctic Circle. LOL.
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Maybe 4 times as far to get to those ice roads as seen on TV.
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@DC Fluid, thanks for testing as always! I really like your analysis and presentation of the results. It’s reassuring to see the side by side results comparing the R7 firmware versions.
More importantly, I wanted to say that I’ve noticed that you have really been contributing a lot to the community and I just want you to know that your efforts are appreciated.
 

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@DC Fluid, thanks for testing as always! I really like your analysis and presentation of the results. It’s reassuring to see the side by side results comparing the R7 firmware versions.
More importantly, I wanted to say that I’ve noticed that you have really been contributing a lot to the community and I just want you to know that your efforts are appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
I'm sure all the testers appreciate these types of sentiments.
There is a lot of effort and some money that is required to pull it off.
I'm fortunate to be able to do some at this time.
 

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Foilage also provides LEOs with great hiding locations.
If they don’t mind the hit to their own range, sure. We just have to listen for a whisper. They have to shout and then listen for the whisper that returns. So foliage affects them far more than it affects us. Sometimes that won’t feel like a big deal to them, depending on the setup, but I would welcome it personally. While running a detector, we have a much greater advantage from foliage than they do from hiding in it.
 

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If they don’t mind the hit to their own range, sure. We just have to listen for a whisper. They have to shout and then listen for the whisper that returns. So foliage affects them far more than it affects us. Sometimes that won’t feel like a big deal to them, depending on the setup, but I would welcome it personally. While running a detector, we have a much greater advantage from foliage than they do from hiding in it.
That's okay when your road has enough traffic that LEO pulls the trigger frequently.
On my way back home I stopped at where this FSR met the highway.
Blind intersection, nobody could see me until within 150 meters, where I point blank lit them up with the Falcon.
5 vehicles, 7 minutes, main highway north in the province
Any warning would be lucky timing
Friendly rabbit needed here in the land of I/O.
I/I is the weapon of choice for 90+% of legitimate RCMP efforts to nail you.
 

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Fair point, but to be honest with that little traffic and a dedicated revenuer, theres not much that can be done anyway.
 

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