Theia and crowd sourcing

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Someone has likely already asked this but I couldn't find it. Obviously the number one priority for Radenso is Theia's release. Once that nut has been cracked and everyone at Team Radenso has had the chance to take a breather would there be any possibility of an Escort Live style app that would allow Theias to upload shot data and thus provide others with warning of their alerts? Of course I mean "Escort Live style" in the sense of sharing alerts, not its legendary kludge factor. This would require servers, should require a subscription, would add value to Theia, and could provide an additional ongoing revenue stream.
 

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Escort owns the patent for that, so nope. They even sued Cobra over it years ago before Cedar took over both of them.

 
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Thank you @Randy at Radenso. I should've known. Of course that wouldn't stop a resourceful guy or group of guys from using the open API to do it. Someone like @ferius or @johnboy00 . My thoughts are that a server to do so wouldn't cost much but I have no idea how much bandwidth would be required for something like 10K Theias to upload and download the minimal data an alert would contain.

And yes, I'm saying I'd be willing to contribute. It's amazing what can be accomplished if 10 or 20 guys get together and throw in towards a project.
 

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Of course that wouldn't stop a resourceful guy or group of guys from using the open API to do it. Someone like @ferius or @johnboy00 . My thoughts are that a server to do so wouldn't cost much but I have no idea how much bandwidth would be required for something like 10K Theias to upload and download the minimal data an alert would contain.

It did stop them:

 
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Thank you again @Randy at Radenso . I had missed that thread but have now read all of it. Maybe someone else can explain how free open source apps pertain to this. Obviously YaV1 and JBV1 implement autolockouts and did so long before the patent expired but Escort had no recourse. My understanding was that this was because VR didn't make a RD with autolockouts and they had no control over others implementing them through the open API. How would this be different?
 

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What’s everyone’s fascination with connected RDs?! Can I just get a damn standalone solution with no bullshit and no snooping/logging that just does what it’s supposed to do and not what others are trying to do? OK, thanks...
 

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We could send pies to Escort.....oops, we already did that.
 

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What’s everyone’s fascination with connected RDs?! Can I just get a damn standalone solution with no bullshit and no snooping/logging that just does what it’s supposed to do and not what others are trying to do? OK, thanks...
I hear ya. I plan to use it standalone but the option is there for those who want all the goodies.
 

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I hear ya. I plan to use it standalone but the option is there for those who want all the goodies.
I'm surprised that a guy who's been around here as long as Swank doesn't understand the goodness of being able to knock off selective I/O 10 or 15 miles away thanks to connectivity. Remember we're talking about the promise of Theia, not BSm uploaded as radar hits.
 

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Someone has likely already asked this but I couldn't find it. Obviously the number one priority for Radenso is Theia's release. Once that nut has been cracked and everyone at Team Radenso has had the chance to take a breather would there be any possibility of an Escort Live style app that would allow Theias to upload shot data and thus provide others with warning of their alerts? Of course I mean "Escort Live style" in the sense of sharing alerts, not its legendary kludge factor. This would require servers, should require a subscription, would add value to Theia, and could provide an additional ongoing revenue stream.
Forget a new app, Escort live doesn't have nearly enough crowdsource to be worth much unless you live in Ohio. Find a way to upload alerts to Waze. Now you're talking!!!
 

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I'm surprised that a guy who's been around here as long as Swank doesn't understand the goodness of being able to knock off selective I/O 10 or 15 miles away thanks to connectivity. Remember we're talking about the promise of Theia, not BSm uploaded as radar hits.
While “I get it”, the way I look at it, if I’m going to slow down and drive the speed limit for the next 15 miles for the possibility of the cop still being there, I might as well just not speed period and die now. Lol

If the range is there on Theia, I really don’t need to know about the one crowd sourced cop 15 miles away. A simple ass V1G1 has worked for me so far and I don’t use an app. Coupled with how I drive and my speeding choices, it works. If Theia doesn’t live up to this low a standard, then it sucks. I don’t need it logging for me or even pulling down data to tell me other crap, be it onboard or definitely NOT through an app. For some things I don’t like having the man all up in my business and this is one of those things. One thing that’s always worried me about Theia and made me wonder just how much open disclosure will they actually provide (be it low level onboard or base OS) is how much logging will Theia actually do, how much signal analysis and possible uploading it’ll do for Radenso. They currently have kill switches on the ProM products, you know they’ll have hooks into Theia’s hardware as well. A part of me doesn’t agree with that... at least not unless it’s under my complete control to enable or disable and I don’t mean “pretend disable”. That’s where that is coming from.

I’m a tech person, so I totally get that there’s tech all around us and in our pockets that know our every move, but for some car stuff, I don’t need logs showing what I do and when. This is actually one huge reason why I’m reluctant to buy something like a Tesla or any other connected vehicle. Clearly that’s the direction the world is going every day, but damn... can we just let the aliens anal probe us and keep companies from doing that for just a while longer? Lol
 

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While “I get it”, the way I look at it, if I’m going to slow down and drive the speed limit for the next 15 miles for the possibility of the cop still being there, I might as well just not speed period and die now. Lol

If the range is there on Theia, I really don’t need to know about the one crowd sourced cop 15 miles away. A simple ass V1G1 has worked for me so far and I don’t use an app. Coupled with how I drive and my speeding choices, it works. If Theia doesn’t live up to this low a standard, then it sucks. I don’t need it logging for me or even pulling down data to tell me other crap, be it onboard or definitely NOT through an app. For some things I don’t like having the man all up in my business and this is one of those things. One thing that’s always worried me about Theia and made me wonder just how much open disclosure will they actually provide (be it low level onboard or base OS) is how much logging will Theia actually do, how much signal analysis and possible uploading it’ll do for Radenso. They currently have kill switches on the ProM products, you know they’ll have hooks into Theia’s hardware as well. A part of me doesn’t agree with that... at least not unless it’s under my complete control to enable or disable and I don’t mean “pretend disable”. That’s where that is coming from.

I’m a tech person, so I totally get that there’s tech all around us and in our pockets that know our every move, but for some car stuff, I don’t need logs showing what I do and when. This is actually one huge reason why I’m reluctant to buy something like a Tesla or any other connected vehicle. Clearly that’s the direction the world is going every day, but damn... can we just let the aliens anal probe us and keep companies from doing that for just a while longer? Lol
Almost all cars are connected now...

hell even my 13k shitbox is...
 

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Not all. You just have to know what to pick and years.
Well good luck picking a new one that doesn't. And then there's the whole phone thing... You really wouldn't like to know of I/O 10 or 15 miles up? It is aggravating to slow for a Waze hit that turns out to be a nothing but then again, I've had a number of JBV1 "sneaky police" saves. If someone else with a Theia ahead alerted to I/O for damn sure I wouldn't be running triples until I had it sorted out.
 

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Well good luck picking a new one that doesn't. And then there's the whole phone thing... You really wouldn't like to know of I/O 10 or 15 miles up? It is aggravating to slow for a Waze hit that turns out to be a nothing but then again, I've had a number of JBV1 "sneaky police" saves. If someone else with a Theia ahead alerted to I/O for damn sure I wouldn't be running triples until I had it sorted out.
For the time being, there’s a better chance someone ahead of me is running a V1G2 than a Theia, so I doubt the market penetration will be as high as you think to make this happen even remotely to the level the “general public” RDs (Escort) have. Eventually, somewhere down the road, maybe, but right now and at the price point Theia will be at, the chance is too remote, depending where someone lives.

As for Waze... I haven’t used it EVER... Like I said, if I’m worse off with Theia than I am with my measly G1, then Theia isn’t worth the cost. If eventually the cops get smarter and my edge % declines, then I’ll adjust accordingly and implement additional measures.

The platform has to have a ton of penetration for crowdsourcing to work... that’s how that works.
 

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Little Debbie creampies? Or the XXX Rated ones? :omg:
Debbie from the Dallas area is rumored to have retired so they'll have to settle for the store bought coconut.

I think @SwankPeRFection is more concerned about general logging of all of his trips. Any car in the last 15 years is full of black boxes that could be hijacked without the owner's permission in the event of an accident. I don't know how to avoid this kind of general logging without either leaving the phone and anything else with wifi at home or in a Faraday cage rendering it useless in the car.
 

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