Radar Detector Detectors (Spectre RDD): any In WA-AU

[Radario]

From 12 October 2020, the use of Radar Detectors in motor vehicles has been banned in the state of Western Australia.

The tool used to "detect" Radar Detectors is a Radar Detector Detector (RDD). Have WA Police publicized the use of RDDs from 12 October 2020? Are there any of these tools in WA Highway Patrol Cars? The mostly ineffective Spectre RDD is reported to be no longer manufactured. How effective will enforcement of this law be without Radar Detector Detectors?

 

[Mayuri Krab]

I’m wondering about this too, maybe they will grab some 2nd hand ones from their eastern counterparts lol

But other than that, probably just by visual, if you have one mounted center on the windscreen, RDD immune or not you are asking for trouble.

 

[Radario]

I’m wondering about this too, maybe they will grab some 2nd hand ones from their eastern counterparts lol

But other than that, probably just by visual, if you have one mounted center on the windscreen, RDD immune or not you are asking for trouble.

But if motorists don't mount a Radar Detector on the center of the windscreen--what then? There are many ways to mount them so that they cannot be seen from outside a vehicle. LEO's relying on visual detection would mean a very thin harvest from the crop out there.

I doubt there are any RDDs for the WA Highway Patrol to use. If there were a dozen, twenty, fifty; surely the top-cops in the Highway Patrol division of WAPOL would already be boasting about them on the 6 o'clock TV news? Could the authorities be just "running a bluff"?

 

[deanoobaby]

From 12 October 2020, the use of Radar Detectors in motor vehicles has been banned in the state of Western Australia.

The tool used to "detect" Radar Detectors is a Radar Detector Detector (RDD). Have WA Police publicized the use of RDDs from 12 October 2020? Are there any of these tools in WA Highway Patrol Cars? The mostly ineffective Spectre RDD is reported to be no longer manufactured. How effective will enforcement of this law be without Radar Detector Detectors?

im also thinking the same but WA is always 20 years behind

Im unsure how there going to detect RDs as i havent noticed patrol cars using any spectras ..Im thinking its more of a visual thing and i have reason to beleive the very high fine involved is a very good scare tactic for not to use them ..otherwise if they did have spectras fines would of been lower to keep a steady flow of cash rolling in

over the past few years i dont see many people using RDs as much ...compared to 10 years ago as every man and his dog had one hanging off the windscreen ..so im geussing there only banning them to keep up with the rest of the country

 

[Radario]

im also thinking the same but WA is always 20 years behind

Im unsure how there going to detect RDs as i havent noticed patrol cars using any spectras ..Im thinking its more of a visual thing and i have reason to beleive the very high fine involved is a very good scare tactic for not to use them ..otherwise if they did have spectras fines would of been lower to keep a steady flow of cash rolling in

over the past few years i dont see many people using RDs as much ...compared to 10 years ago as every man and his dog had one hanging off the windscreen ..so im geussing there only banning them to keep up with the rest of the country

Very good insight. The WA government is a socialist, totalitarian organization. The Spectre company (Stealth Micro Systems) is no longer in business. Without an effective RDD, there is no way to identify vehicles with Radar Detectors inside. The fact that nearly all vehicles have window tinting of some sort makes visual observation of the interior of cars very difficult in daytime. At night, forget it. They're bluffin' (sic).

 

[winterbrew]

Never really thought I'd be really needing a Spectre III when I bought it from ebay a year or so back for USD 120

Couldn't find any mention of it or Stealth Micro Systems in the WA govt gazette. According to ASIC, the company registration is still active although their website doesn't exist anymore and Stalker USA no longer advertise or sell them. It seems no one else actually makes and sells an RDD?

Probably relying on visual scrutinisation on routine traffic stops by TE/TS units, or drive pasts, or on booze bus stops.

Will be really interesting to determine the presence of any Spectres in the wild if Theia actually ships with Spectre RDD detection active out of the box.

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An interesting article I found from history the other day ;

Police grapple with defective detectors

www.smh.com.au

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I had a quick play with my Spectre III back in June vs some of my RD's ;

Info - List of Spectre/RDD Undetectable (and Detectable) RDs

This is a work in progress. Please let me know if you spot any omissions or have links to additional results. Detectors that are functionally stealth to RDDs Escort Redline Escort Redline EX Escort Redline 360c Escort Max Ci 360 Beltronics Magnum Beltronics STiR Genevo One M Neoline X-Cop 9100s...

www.rdforum.org

Uniden's are a bit variable across units, but if WAPOL don't have any Spectres, its not really an issue.

I need to dig out my STi-R+ head again, and check that.

Lot's of V1G1's available on gumtree at the moment if any one wants one

 

[G37X Jockey]

On a trip through Ontario Canada, where RD's are banned, I noticed cops parked very obviously on the shoulder triggering their radar as cars passed. I don't think they were looking for speeders, but were instead looking for brake lights which could be a give away that a driver was braking in response to their RD alerting. This is a tactic in moving mode on highways as well so beware of rear detections.

 

[Mayuri Krab]

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First Blood...

Does anyone know if this is a RDD immune model or not? Or did old mate got nabbed because he wasn’t aware of the new laws and had his RD stuck right in the middle of the windscreen.

 

[winterbrew]

Does anyone know if this is a RDD immune model or not? Or did old mate got nabbed because he wasn’t aware of the new laws and had his RD stuck right in the middle of the windscreen.

The Bel STi Driver (aka Bel XR in AU) was fully stealth, as was the later Bel Magnum, so this was definitely a windscreen spot

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The full pic ;

A Bel XR NZ AUS "tuned for optimal conditions down under" - better known as an STi Driver from the US, with a sticker on, with some changes made in software before it ships, which actually reset to US settings on factory reset, and sold for a hefty markup

Fully stealth to Spectre RDD

 

[deanoobaby]

The Bel STi Driver (aka Bel XR in AU) was fully stealth, as was the later Bel Magnum, so this was definitely a windscreen spot

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The full pic ;

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A Bel XR NZ AUS "tuned for optimal conditions down under" - better known as an STi Driver from the US, with a sticker on, with some changes made in software before it ships, which actually reset to US settings on factory reset, and sold for a hefty markup

Fully stealth to Spectre RDD

stealth or not they still fail on I/O as old mate has just found out LOL

there was one for sale on market place some time last week for $150 he was selling it due to the law change

however i wouldnt trust media out lets or cops for posting pics as this pic could of been a pic from a different time zone

need to catch up some time so you can test my 13 maybe 14 year old XR 70 .. I bet it leaks more than a cobra.. I havent used ift for a few months as it only really coame in handy on long trips

 

[REVNURAZR]

Just picked up a near new V1 G1 for $80 with box and all accessories. Bargain!

As Winter mentioned you can reduce detectability by not running in "A" mode.

Be interested to see if any RDD's start showing up in the wild over here...

 

[Mayuri Krab]

Actually by the looks of it (If that pic is the actual one) old mate is using the default coil cable so probably had a dangling cable running right in the middle of the windscreen... not very smart.

 

[Radario]

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First Blood...

Does anyone know if this is a RDD immune model or not? Or did old mate got nabbed because he wasn’t aware of the new laws and had his RD stuck right in the middle of the windscreen.

The 130 KPH speed is what caused a roadside stop and discovery of the Beltronics Radar/Laser Detector. Thirty (30) over is very obvious: No need for the LEO to use radar to realize the motorist was speeding way above the posted limit.

The average Radar Detector user is someone trying to avoid getting a fine (and points) for inadvertently going over the posted limit by a few Ks for a brief distance.

Others are electronic technology enthusiasts playing a "spy" game: "Aha so there you are Mister Policeman with your revenue raising machine. Better luck next time".

We are waiting for a story where a Radar Detector is discovered and confiscated when the motorist was not speeding. With no effective RDD in existence, there could be a long wait.

 

[deanoobaby]

The 130 KPH speed is what caused a roadside stop and discovery of the Beltronics Radar/Laser Detector. Thirty (30) over is very obvious: No need for the LEO to use radar to realize the motorist was speeding way above the posted limit.

The average Radar Detector user is someone trying to avoid getting a fine (and points) for inadvertently going over the posted limit by a few Ks for a brief distance.

Others are electronic technology enthusiasts playing a "spy" game: "Aha so there you are Mister Policeman with your revenue raising machine. Better luck next time".

We are waiting for a story where a Radar Detector is discovered and confiscated when the motorist was not speeding. With no effective RDD in existence, there could be a long wait.

very well said
as enthusiasts its actually pretty easy to determine a vehicle speeding so a trained up person will have a better understanding ..If you ask me this looks like its a staged event that they purposely went out and needed to catch someone to make an example of for social media outlets

what concerns me the most .. Some people beleive in tweets 5 hours away and now there relying on this information considering its alleged offence was in in Mandurah

i geuss 130 kph does sound bad
but if the PSL is 110 ...130 really isnt that bad... After all old mate was most probly passing that guy that speeds up in the over taking area

 

[Mayuri Krab]

but if the PSL is 110 ...130 really isnt that bad... After all old mate was most probly passing that guy that speeds up in the over taking area

Too true, I **** hate passholes that pull this crap.

Let’s just say I had gone higher than that when overtaking said group of passholes before.

LOL

 

[Radario]

very well said
as enthusiasts its actually pretty easy to determine a vehicle speeding so a trained up person will have a better understanding ..If you ask me this looks like its a staged event that they purposely went out and needed to catch someone to make an example of for social media outlets

what concerns me the most .. Some people beleive in tweets 5 hours away and now there relying on this information considering its alleged offence was in in Mandurah

i geuss 130 kph does sound bad
but if the PSL is 110 ...130 really isnt that bad... After all old mate was most probly passing that guy that speeds up in the over taking area

I'm not a local (WA) so was unaware that the "limit" was 110 and the driver was 20 over not 30. Even so, +20 was "visible". Under normal circumstances (before12 October 2020) this incident would not rate a mention in the media or on a Police social media post.

It suggests that WAPOL are annoyed as &*$# that they do not have a tool to find Radar Detectors. The "tools" they have are not very effective!!!

What chance does a HP LEO have of knowing a vehicle contains a hidden Escort MAX Ci or hidden Radenso RC M?

What chance does an HP LEO have of seeing a strategically mounted tiny, portable RD such as Radenso Pro M through legally tinted windows?

There's going to be a lot of wishful thinking going on in the minds of the more dedicated (fanatical?) HP LEOs: Wet dreams that that a new RDD will emerge to detect all Radar Detectors!!!

 

[deanoobaby]

I'm not a local (WA) so was unaware that the "limit" was 110 and the driver was 20 over not 30. Even so, +20 was "visible". Under normal circumstances (before12 October 2020) this incident would not rate a mention in the media or on a Police social media post.

It suggests that WAPOL are annoyed as &*$# that they do not have a tool to find Radar Detectors. The "tools" they have are not very effective!!!

What chance does a HP LEO have of knowing a vehicle contains a hidden Escort MAX Ci or hidden Radenso RC M?

What chance does an HP LEO have of seeing a strategically mounted tiny, portable RD such as Radenso Pro M through legally tinted windows?

There's going to be a lot of wishful thinking going on in the minds of the more dedicated (fanatical?) HP LEOs: Wet dreams that that a new RDD will emerge to detect all Radar Detectors!!!

im also unsure of the PSL of the offence .normally they like to boast that they got someone with high numbers but in reality there not

i tend to beleive that the police dont own any RDD and if the do there will only be a couple and most likey used in rural areas

i really think the fine is a little steep $1200 and 7 points i dont think this is revenue as there more focusng scaring people not use them as i think thats the only decent tactic they have is media outlets

i think once the dust settles they will forget about detectors anyways the same as they forgot about laser jammers ..the cops in my area dont even know that they have just been jammed for a few moments as they seem to think nobody uses them no more

 

[Radario]

im also unsure of the PSL of the offence .normally they like to boast that they got someone with high numbers but in reality there not

i tend to beleive that the police dont own any RDD and if the do there will only be a couple and most likey used in rural areas

i really think the fine is a little steep $1200 and 7 points i dont think this is revenue as there more focusng scaring people not use them as i think thats the only decent tactic they have is media outlets

i think once the dust settles they will forget about detectors anyways the same as they forgot about laser jammers ..the cops in my area dont even know that they have just been jammed for a few moments as they seem to think nobody uses them no more

Yeah, I mean 130 KPH? A nice neat, rounded number!!! Why not 127 KPH or 132 KPH?

Regarding the medium to long term threat from LEOs desperately looking for Radar Detectors: It's hard to sustain enthusiasm for something with a poor return on emotional investment.

 

[deanoobaby]

Regarding the medium to long term threat from LEOs desperately looking for Radar Detectors: It's hard to sustain enthusiasm for something with a poor return on emotional investment.

dont think there out desperately looking for detectors hence the big scare tactic however some leos are institutionalized and they may bend some rules just to prove there existance

i dont have a spectra to test this senario but last time i did the spectra 3 was tripping out on RDF when a close by uhf was used to cummincate with the test vehicle.. So i have always wondered can a leo use a dash mounted radar and still use a RDD at the same time without any interference to the RDD ?

 

[Radario]

dont think there out desperately looking for detectors hence the big scare tactic however some leos are institutionalized and they may bend some rules just to prove there existance

i dont have a spectra to test this senario but last time i did the spectra 3 was tripping out on RDF when a close by uhf was used to cummincate with the test vehicle.. So i have always wondered can a leo use constant on radar or instant on dash mounted radar and still use a RDD at the same time without any interference ?

Remember the RDD Video by Jon and Rob:

Radenso Theia vs Radar Detector Detectors - How Theia Wins Against Spectre Elite and VG2​

The Spectre RDDs are specially tuned for a particular State or Highway Patrol. The K-band moving Radar frequency is "notched out" in the detection scheme. At least I seem to recall something like that when watching the Video some weeks ago.