TXCTG - V1G2 v R7 v Ka 34.7, 35.5 and 33.8 off-axis and through foliage 10-11-2020

Brainstorm69

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INTRO

So I had a little bit of time to do some Ka testing yesterday. I wanted to do some off-axis testing of the V1G2 and the R7, given folks' continued raves regarding the V1G2's off-axis Ka abilities. I used the wife's minivan as a radar car. I used the same course I used for the Falcon HR testing a few months back. It's an off-axis situation with some good foliage obscuring things until the kill zone.

THE DETECTORS

V1G2 – (fw 41019) – A mode, KV on, CF used, X-Band off.

R7 – (fw 134.141.114) – Hwy Mode, Ka segged 2/4/5/6/8, K wide, KF on, TSF on, K Block on, MRCD off, X-Band off.

THE RADAR GUN

MPH Python II FS with Ka antennas tuned to 34.7, 35.5 and native 33.8.

Basically the same sort of setup as I did with the Falcon HR, except the antennas were pointing out the front of the car, held unto the WS with a rigged up Escort sticky cup. Radar car was in the same place. Kill zone was the same place. Photos below from prior Falcon testing for illustrative purposes.

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Car in Kill Zone zoomed.

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Course Overhead View

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Video Run-through of the Course




THE RESULTS

I'm going to do this like I did with the Falcon HR, just post the still pictures of the first alerts. No charts or graphs. This time I did reset my dashcam date/time so the date/time stamps are in the pictures are accurate.

Ka 34.7 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


01 R7 34.7 R1.jpg

01 R7 34.7 R2.jpg

01 R7 34.7 R3.jpg


V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

01 V1G2 34.7 R1.jpg

01 V1G2 34.7 R2.jpg

01 V1G2 34.7 R3.jpg


Ka 35.5 Results

V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)


02 V1G2 35.5 R1.jpg

02 V1G2 35.5 R2.jpg

02 V1G2 35.5 R3.jpg


R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)

02 R7 35.5 R1.jpg

02 R7 35.5 R2.jpg

02 R7 35.5 R3.jpg


Ka 33.8 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


03 R7 33.8 R1.jpg

03 R7 33.8 R2.jpg

03 R7 33.8 R3.jpg



V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

03 V1G2 33.8 R1.jpg

03 V1G2 33.8 R2.jpg

03 V1G2 33.8 R3.jpg



COMMENTARY
  • Not much to say here except my V1G2 and R7 are pretty evenly matched. That said, my V1G2 did edge out my R7 by just a little bit on each Ka Band overall, I think.
  • V1G2 still seems slightly more consistent than the R7. Somewhat strangely, each detector had one "lesser" run on 33.8.
  • I'm still waiting to see my V1G2 beat my R7 by more than a little. Hasn't happened yet in any TXCTG testing. Maybe I have a hot R7 or a cold V1G2.
FINAL THOUGHTS

My R7 and V1G2 continue to be pretty evenly matched, with the V1G2 just edging the R7 out in most cases. Maybe I need to send my R7 to @Kennyc56 and @VariableWave for testing, or maybe they need to send me one of their "killer" V1G2s (not sure I can pry Kenny's V1G2 out of his hands, though...lol).

As always, remember this is just one test. Don’t base your opinion of a detector on just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can, so you can have an informed opinion about a detector.
 
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Nice job again my friend! Thanks for sharing!
 

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INTRO

So I had a little bit of time to do some Ka testing yesterday. I wanted to do some off-axis testing of the V1G2 and the R7, given folks continued raves regarding the V1G2's off-axis Ka abilities. I used the wife's minivan as a radar car. I used the same course I used for the Falcon HR testing a few months back. It's an off-axis situation with some good foliage obscuring things until the kill zone.

THE DETECTORS

V1G2 – (fw 41019) – A mode, KV on, CF used, X-Band off.

R7 – (fw 134.141.114) – Hwy Mode, Ka segged 2/4/5/6/8, K wide, KF on, TSF on, K Block on, MRCD off, X-Band off.

THE RADAR GUN

MPH Python II FS with Ka antennas tuned to 34.7, 35.5 and native 33.8.

Basically the same sort of setup as I did with the Falcon HR, except the antennas were pointing out the front of the car, held unto the WS with a rigged up Escort sticky cup. Radar car was in the same place. Kill zone was the same place. Photos below from prior Falcon testing for illustrative purposes.

View attachment 149195

Car in Kill Zone zoomed.

View attachment 149197

Video Run-through of the Course

To be posted shortly


THE RESULTS

I'm going to do this like I did with the Falcon HR, just post the still pictures of the first alerts. No charts or graphs. This time I did reset my dashcam date/time so the time/date stamps are in the pictures are accurate.

Ka 34.7 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


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V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

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Ka 35.5 Results

V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)


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R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)

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Ka 33.8 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


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V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

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COMMENTARY
  • Not much to say here except my V1G2 and R7 are pretty evenly matched. That said, my V1G2 did edge out my R7 by just a little bit on each Ka Band overall, I think.
  • V1G2 still seems slightly more consistent than the R7. Somewhat strangely, each detector had one "lesser" run on 33.8.
  • I'm still waiting to see my V1G2 beat my R7 by more than a little. Hasn't happened yet in any TXCTG testing. Maybe I have a hot R7 or a cold V1G2.
FINAL THOUGHTS

My R7 and V1G2 continue to be pretty evenly matched, with the V1G2 just edging the R7 out in most cases. Maybe I need to send my R7 to @Kennyc56 and @VariableWave for testing, or maybe they need to send me one of their "killer" V1G2s (not sure I can pry Kenny's V1G2 out of his hands, though...lol).

As always, remember this is just one test. Don’t base your opinion of a detector on just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can, so you can have an informed opinion about a detector.

I am not opposed to send my V1G2 and my R7 to you. @Kennyc56 can rest his grips for that saying, " ripping out of his cold dead hands"...

Send me a PM and see when I can send out to ya.. and maybe do the same on our Curved coarse with yours.
 

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(not sure I can pry Kenny's V1G2 out of his hands, though...lol).
You got that right! No way in hell would he ever let his precious go!! :rofl:
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Great job on the testing as always guys. I really appreciate it.
 

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Many thanks for testing! It's almost surprising how close they are given the very different way they go about detecting that signal.
 

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INTRO

So I had a little bit of time to do some Ka testing yesterday. I wanted to do some off-axis testing of the V1G2 and the R7, given folks' continued raves regarding the V1G2's off-axis Ka abilities. I used the wife's minivan as a radar car. I used the same course I used for the Falcon HR testing a few months back. It's an off-axis situation with some good foliage obscuring things until the kill zone.

THE DETECTORS

V1G2 – (fw 41019) – A mode, KV on, CF used, X-Band off.

R7 – (fw 134.141.114) – Hwy Mode, Ka segged 2/4/5/6/8, K wide, KF on, TSF on, K Block on, MRCD off, X-Band off.

THE RADAR GUN

MPH Python II FS with Ka antennas tuned to 34.7, 35.5 and native 33.8.

Basically the same sort of setup as I did with the Falcon HR, except the antennas were pointing out the front of the car, held unto the WS with a rigged up Escort sticky cup. Radar car was in the same place. Kill zone was the same place. Photos below from prior Falcon testing for illustrative purposes.

View attachment 149195

Car in Kill Zone zoomed.

View attachment 149197

Video Run-through of the Course



THE RESULTS

I'm going to do this like I did with the Falcon HR, just post the still pictures of the first alerts. No charts or graphs. This time I did reset my dashcam date/time so the date/time stamps are in the pictures are accurate.

Ka 34.7 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


View attachment 161646
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V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

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Ka 35.5 Results

V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)


View attachment 161653
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R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)

View attachment 161656
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View attachment 161658

Ka 33.8 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


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V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

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View attachment 161666


COMMENTARY
  • Not much to say here except my V1G2 and R7 are pretty evenly matched. That said, my V1G2 did edge out my R7 by just a little bit on each Ka Band overall, I think.
  • V1G2 still seems slightly more consistent than the R7. Somewhat strangely, each detector had one "lesser" run on 33.8.
  • I'm still waiting to see my V1G2 beat my R7 by more than a little. Hasn't happened yet in any TXCTG testing. Maybe I have a hot R7 or a cold V1G2.
FINAL THOUGHTS

My R7 and V1G2 continue to be pretty evenly matched, with the V1G2 just edging the R7 out in most cases. Maybe I need to send my R7 to @Kennyc56 and @VariableWave for testing, or maybe they need to send me one of their "killer" V1G2s (not sure I can pry Kenny's V1G2 out of his hands, though...lol).

As always, remember this is just one test. Don’t base your opinion of a detector on just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can, so you can have an informed opinion about a detector.
LMAO! @Brainstorm69 not many would get their hands on it but you know I'll send you any detector I own my friend! Just whistle! Every test @VariableWave and I have run with his R7 against both of our V1G2's there has been a noticeable difference in range on Ka bands even in straight up on axis shots and a much bigger difference in the rear antennas with the V1G2's coming out on top every time. On Off axis it hasn't been close. He also has told me a lot that his V1G2 beats his R7 when he runs them together too. Our 2 V1G2's are mirror images of each other during lots of testing we've done. Edit...Thanks again for this test and all of the others you run for us!
 
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Great testing as always @Brainstorm69! The more tests that come out, the more it becomes pretty obvious that these two are pretty evenly matched. It seems like they trade blows back and forth on each band, depending on the day. And on top of that, they're both great values for what you are getting. It all comes down to what feature set you prefer.

Question for anyone: How much of a difference does it make per frequency to use the native antenna vs. using a single antenna platform and tuning it? I wonder how much of a difference we'd see from, for example, a Stalker antenna native to 34.7 to a Python II antenna tuned to 34.7. Furthermore, it would be interesting to see 35.5 testing from both a Decatur and a Kustom unit.
 

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Great testing as always @Brainstorm69! The more tests that come out, the more it becomes pretty obvious that these two are pretty evenly matched. It seems like they trade blows back and forth on each band, depending on the day. And on top of that, they're both great values for what you are getting. It all comes down to what feature set you prefer.

Question for anyone: How much of a difference does it make per frequency to use the native antenna vs. using a single antenna platform and tuning it? I wonder how much of a difference we'd see from, for example, a Stalker antenna native to 34.7 to a Python II antenna tuned to 34.7. Furthermore, it would be interesting to see 35.5 testing from both a Decatur and a Kustom unit.
I was contemplating getting a Golden Eagle model to go against the Python II for just that reason.
Different brands, different behaviors???
 

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Nicely done! We are lucky to have some great detectors in our world! My V1G2 was always better off axis than R7 but they seem pretty close on range
 

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I'm assuming firmware 134 on the R7 is a beta fw that you have access to?
 

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Yeah, caught that as well. Hence my agreeable sending of my R7 with available fw to public to go with and compare..and maybe a load to my platform to test, as mine is an earlier unit as well during a change to attenuation design...

Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
 
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INTRO

So I had a little bit of time to do some Ka testing yesterday. I wanted to do some off-axis testing of the V1G2 and the R7, given folks' continued raves regarding the V1G2's off-axis Ka abilities. I used the wife's minivan as a radar car. I used the same course I used for the Falcon HR testing a few months back. It's an off-axis situation with some good foliage obscuring things until the kill zone.

THE DETECTORS

V1G2 – (fw 41019) – A mode, KV on, CF used, X-Band off.

R7 – (fw 134.141.114) – Hwy Mode, Ka segged 2/4/5/6/8, K wide, KF on, TSF on, K Block on, MRCD off, X-Band off.

THE RADAR GUN

MPH Python II FS with Ka antennas tuned to 34.7, 35.5 and native 33.8.

Basically the same sort of setup as I did with the Falcon HR, except the antennas were pointing out the front of the car, held unto the WS with a rigged up Escort sticky cup. Radar car was in the same place. Kill zone was the same place. Photos below from prior Falcon testing for illustrative purposes.

View attachment 149195

Car in Kill Zone zoomed.

View attachment 149197

Video Run-through of the Course



THE RESULTS

I'm going to do this like I did with the Falcon HR, just post the still pictures of the first alerts. No charts or graphs. This time I did reset my dashcam date/time so the date/time stamps are in the pictures are accurate.

Ka 34.7 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


View attachment 161646
View attachment 161647
View attachment 161648

V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

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Ka 35.5 Results

V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)


View attachment 161653
View attachment 161654
View attachment 161655

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)

View attachment 161656
View attachment 161657
View attachment 161658

Ka 33.8 Results

R7 - Hwy, Segged 2/4/5/6/8, Ka filter off, K Wide, KF on, TSF on, K-Block on, MRCD off (Runs 1-3)


View attachment 161659
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View attachment 161661


V1G2 - A mode, K Verifier on, CF on(Runs 1-3)

View attachment 161662
View attachment 161665
View attachment 161666


COMMENTARY
  • Not much to say here except my V1G2 and R7 are pretty evenly matched. That said, my V1G2 did edge out my R7 by just a little bit on each Ka Band overall, I think.
  • V1G2 still seems slightly more consistent than the R7. Somewhat strangely, each detector had one "lesser" run on 33.8.
  • I'm still waiting to see my V1G2 beat my R7 by more than a little. Hasn't happened yet in any TXCTG testing. Maybe I have a hot R7 or a cold V1G2.
FINAL THOUGHTS

My R7 and V1G2 continue to be pretty evenly matched, with the V1G2 just edging the R7 out in most cases. Maybe I need to send my R7 to @Kennyc56 and @VariableWave for testing, or maybe they need to send me one of their "killer" V1G2s (not sure I can pry Kenny's V1G2 out of his hands, though...lol).

As always, remember this is just one test. Don’t base your opinion of a detector on just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can, so you can have an informed opinion about a detector.
Great work @Brainstorm69 ! Two great detectors within a hair of each other. Thanks for all the work you, (and whoever was with you), do to keep us informed of the abilities these detectors.
 

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I'm assuming firmware 134 on the R7 is a beta fw that you have access to?
I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. Yes, it is the current beta.
 

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I'm starting to wonder if @VariableWave 's R7 might be on the cool side? It didn't seem like it during the times I've run it, it worked great.
 
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