Heywood's October 10 2020 MRCD Testing

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So it's time I got a chance to do an updated MRCD test.

There's some new detectors and some new firmware's to try out.

The contestants in this MRCD Shootout

Escort R350C (FW 1.4)
Escort M360C FW 1.12)
Escort R-EX (FW 1.15)
Uniden R7 (FW1.29)
Uniden R3 (FW 1.53)
Radenso Pro-M (FW 22)

The Set-up:

I got real lucky as I was hunting for a good trap to play with. As I was driving around, I spotted an MRCD rig on the move to a new location, so I followed him. He headed right to a location that I've tested at before.

It's in a semi-residential area. A favorite location. The speed limit is 50km/h (30 mph). Of course it's polluted with 2 K band speed signs. They are about 100 yards from each other. One facing East, the other west. You'll see them in all the video's. It's a favorite tactic. The west facing K band speed sign is shooting 24.109/24.111..... depends on the detector. The east facing speed sign is shooting 24.116. At the start of the course, there's a store with a door opener shooting 24.172 today.

MRCD testing is a test of opportunity. There's not much I can control from the traps point of view. I can't control traffic, weather, reflections..... Things change from test to test. Every test see's some changes, but when your doing back to back tests, it helps to get a good overall picture of how they compare. I try to minimize the variable's, but there are always a few that can't be helped.

The MRCD rigs usually move every 2 hours. Once they move, you have to start all over again.

For those that are not familiar with what we face..... the traps antenna is always facing away from you. It gets it's speed reading after you've passed. We have no front plates, so the speed and picture is always at your ass end.

October 10 2020 MRCD Test.JPG


Detector Settings:

The detector settings is always something I have to consider. I do not like messing with filters if I can help it because everyone has a different level of tolerance of how much noise they are willing to put up with. Because of this, all the detectors were set at Highway Mode. I also wanted to see the effects of the TSF filter may... or may not have on the MRCD detection levels. I wanted them be as sensitive as I could make them. Just to get a good idea of what their maximum potential could be on this course, this day, against each other.

I ran both the Uniden's and Escorts with, and without TSF activated. I didn't bother with checking the effects of TSRej on the Pro-M. I've done that before on this FW and found that it had no impact on the MRCD or Gatso detection abilities. It's not a new FW from my last test.

Escort Live wasn't connected to any of the Escorts.

As I've already stated. This was as sensitive as I could make them.

The Testing:

Escort R360C

I've been waiting for this one. All the other testing has put it right in the mix on the normal radar detection. This is the same detector that @Brainstorm69 used in his Texas tests. It's @Vortex other R360C and they sent it to me. Thanks guys.
I re-formatted if, and checked to make sure it had the current FW. Since I haven't driven with it much in this area... and auto-learn was off... it was pretty chatty at first. You can hear just how polluted the test area is with K band. No matter... all the other detectors had to deal with the same conditions.

The R360C does pick up normal radar. Some false signals will punch through at times, and other times, the filtering totally ignores them. It's hit or miss with some things. I did do a run through this same area checking the K band reactivity to these same speed signs. They are part of my "Gauntlet Course" that I run through when ever I get a new detector, or a new FW. Not for testing distances... but just to see if they've changed reaction. It's a course that takes me 10 minutes to run and has 7 K Band Speed signs. I just ran it 2 days ago.

The R360C did not do well against MRCD.
Here's a comparison run I did before testing with the R360C and RC-M together to confirm that the MRCD trap was active. The noise you hear is the RC-M


Running the R360C by itself did not change the results.

3 runs with the R360C in Highway Mode/TSF off/ 3 runs with TSF on, failed to detect the MRCD trap. It didn't matter if MRCD/MRCT were on or not.
Here are the runs
Run 3 No TSF

Run 2 No TSF

Run 1 No TSF

I have seen it alert to a few MRCT RLC's but not with any consistency. Usually no alert. Runs with TSF on, didn't show any difference.


Escort Max 360C

This one did pretty good in my last MRCD test. Although it can not be used against MRCT, it was very good today.
TSF doesn't have any impact on MRCD detection.

Highway/TSF Off Reading 24.075
Run 1- 531.1 ft
Run 2 - 699.0 ft
Run 3 - 514.2ft

Run 2 TSF Off video

Highway/TSF On Reading 24.088 & 24.065
Run 1- 503.8ft
Run 2 - 631.7 ft
Run 3 - 669.7ft

Run 3 TSF On video

Escort Redline EX

Again, I'm not sure what they've done, but looking at my October 2018 testing, the R-EX was pretty good. Since then, they've gone backwards. I'm sure it has to be FW related. Still, they haven't fixed it. I'm not sure how they can be doing so well with the M360C, but shit the bed with the R360C and go backwards with the R-EX? I have offered. Up to them. @GailFromCedar

Highway TSF Off Reading 24,084
Run 1 - -212.9ft (In the kill zone)
Run 2 - No Alert
Run 3 - -81.2ft ( In the kill zone)

Highway TSF On Reading 24.088
Run 1 - -199.5ft (In the kill zone)
Run 2 - -108.1ft (In the Kill zone)
Run 3 - No Alert

Run 3 TSF Off video

Run 1 TSF On

Uniden R7

This is kind of a Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde kind of thing. TSF does have a major impact on the performance of MRCD detection. Without TSF... it's one of the best at MRCD detection. As soon as you turn TSF on.... big haircut. Still, even with TSF on, it never failed not to alert you before you hit the trap, but the difference was pretty dramatic.

Highway Mode/TSF Off Reading 24.068
Run 1 - 460.6ft
Run 2 - 612.6ft
Run 3 - 673.2ft

Run 3 TSF Off Video

HWY TSF On
Run 1 - 174.9ft
Run 2 - 267.4ft
Run 3 - 164.1ft

Run 2 TSF On Video

Uniden R3

This is sort of the same thing of the R7, but all over the place. It did have 1 hero run. If I had more time, and not racing the clock on how long the MRCD rig would stay there, I would've done a few more runs. I'm not a fan of FW 1.53. It's that good with TSF turned on. It did have the longest detection of the day.... but I'm not convince that there might have been a huge reflection to help it out. I'll post the video and you can see for yourself. The limit of the 3 runs doesn't, in my humble opinion, a true reflection of it's performance. The numbers are too far apart with TSF off. I should've done 5 or 7 runs. It's uncharacteristic when I compare it to my other MRCD tests with it. Look for yourself and see if you agree.

HWY TSF Off Reading 24.070
Run 1 - 943ft
Run 2 - 528.2ft
Run 3 - 158.0ft

Run 1 TSF off Video

Run 3 TSF Off Video

Hwy TSF On
Run 1 - No Alert
Run 2 - -143.8 (In Kill Zone)
Run 3 - No Alert

Hwy TSF On Run 2

Radenso Pro-M

The usual benchmark for MRCD detection. Today it got out gunned. Not by much, but today wasn't it's day. Then again, if you need to have TSF active, it came in 2nd to only the M360C.

I've left it on FW 22. Public is FW19. It just kicked ass against the Mesta Fusion Gatso, so I left it.
I tested it in Highway mode, but left TSRej on low since I already know that it has no effect on the modulated radar detection side. You can see it yourself if you go back and look at my past tests.
On Run 2, you'll get a chance to see the car in the other lane get a photo radar ticket. lol . The flash was pretty visible.

Hwy TSRej Low
Run 1 - 547.0
Run 2 - 523.2
Run 3 - 509.0

Run 2 video


In Conclusion:

Got lucky on the testing time. Big disappointment with the R360C. It has shown that it can pick up gatso and some MRCT RLC's but very rarely. I'm more surprised when it does it. I haven't all that long to get a better idea, but I'm not done testing it yet. If you need it for MRCD detection..... well... swing and a big miss. Hopefully it can be improved with FW. They've shown they can do it, but the R-EX and R360C are not something I would ever use.

Surprised just how much TSF effects the Uniden's abilities to detect MRCD. Again, it has to be a FW thing. The R3 has shown much better results if you use the earlier FW's. (1.46 to 1.50).

The Max 360C. Since it's initial hick-ups when it first came to me.... it's been impressive on the MRCD side of it. I'm not overly impressed with it's K and Ka range... but range isn't the only metric to measure a detector.

For MRCD Detection, I'd run the M360C, Pro-M, and R7.
The R3 would be doable on a different Fw. At least you have a choice to change it as you please.
No to the R360C and The R-EX with the current FW.
 

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THANKS FOR THE TESTING RESULTS. lol, AFTER BUYING THE rl360C, I've HAD MY BUBLE POPPED ANOTHER INSTANCEE HERE IN THIS TEST. ELL ITS A GREAT THING i DONT FACE MRCD IN MY AREA. Shit, sorry about the caps lock. I just caught it and type really slow, so I wont retype, just apologize. Looks like MRCD is another PITA for us all to look out for. Thanks again for the test results.
 

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Nice going @Heywood! You always do a professional job and thanks for sharing.
 

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@Heywood Thanks for the extensive write-up, videos and time that you put into this! While its not a threat for me, its great to see how an RD that is marketed as able to alert to MRCD actually fairs when compared to the competition.

Hopefully ER will take you up on your offer to be a betta tester. ;)
 

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Thanks for the test. I had a day off on Friday and I turned on TSF on the R7 to see if there was a reduction in MRCT range and I had noticed I was well in the kill zone before getting detection. I thought it was weird because you had mentioned there would be no penalty in turning on filters. But your test show that there is a huge reduction so I have turned off TSF until Uniden can figure it out.
 

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@Heywood great testing and write up.
I know what it's like being up all night and loading those videos, posting the story, and compiling results.
That was a huge job and thanks for the effort and expense.
Interesting about Uniden TSF as I have noticed something else recently since one of my R7s came back for repair, but won't say anything until testing confirms suspicion.
Good catch with that
Pro M still very consistent, no worries there.
Max 360 is a shocker considering all the other Escort misses and the poor start M360 had at first.
Come on Escort, learn something from this.
Thanks again Heywood.👍
 
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It is always a pleasure for me to watch your detailed and extensive tests. Thank you very much. Of course, the Uniden R3 was particularly interesting for me, and hell, I am simultaniously shocked and not shocked by the results. At the same time they are inconsistent, all of the runs provide a huge variance. Run 1 and run 3 offers us a six times difference! This is exactly the thing I know and learned through my experience. Every time you don't know what you have to expect with MRCD by the detector. And this was valid with 1.46, too, mainly with the approaches from the back. All in all, for those who need mrcd detection and have no other option, the conclusion with all the R's is: leave TSF off and drive. With R1/R3, pray to have those "Run ones", but not "Run three" :)
 

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Thank you for the great testing @Heywood, as always!

I think your MRCD tests are a glaring example of how big numbers really don't paint a full picture. Obviously, this testing is hard because you are in a time crunch and up against many variables outside of your control. But this testing shows how consistency is key and you shouldn't be judging based on "the big distance run."

From that angle, this is a great showing by the Max360c and Pro M. If I faced this stuff regularly, they would be my picks. They show a great deal of consistency in when they alert across multiple runs, and that's important here more than ever. They may not be the range kings, but they are proving to be reliable tools against this threat that a lot of us admittedly don't have any experience against.

I think Uniden could figure it out if they really put the work in, but we also know they have other issues that us enthusiasts are begging them to fix (hello BSM filtering and Auto Lockouts). I believe the platform is capable, but it is only if they choose to do so.

Another swing and a miss for the R360c. Maybe this is like the myriad of issues that went unnoticed before it was released and they need testing to show that no, it's not "good enough." Again, I certainly wouldn't have confidence in my $750 for this, but YMMV.
 

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Thanks for taking the time @Heywood . Very sad performance for R360c. R7 was doing ok which is a bonus!
 

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Great job! I am glad I have not sold my M360 yet. Wow, Escort needs to address this issue quickly with the RL360c!
 

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Nice thanks for sharing. Would you consider range any better than with 1.46 (TSF off on both)?
 

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Thanks so much for doing this test! Very nicely done. :thumbsup:

and ouch, wtf RL360c?? Those results are a big surprise, but this is why we test!
 

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So it's time I got a chance to do an updated MRCD test.

There's some new detectors and some new firmware's to try out.

The contestants in this MRCD Shootout

Escort R350C (FW 1.4)
Escort M360C FW 1.12)
Escort R-EX (FW 1.15)
Uniden R7 (FW1.29)
Uniden R3 (FW 1.53)
Radenso Pro-M (FW 22)

The Set-up:

I got real lucky as I was hunting for a good trap to play with. As I was driving around, I spotted an MRCD rig on the move to a new location, so I followed him. He headed right to a location that I've tested at before.

It's in a semi-residential area. A favorite location. The speed limit is 50km/h (30 mph). Of course it's polluted with 2 K band speed signs. They are about 100 yards from each other. One facing East, the other west. You'll see them in all the video's. It's a favorite tactic. The west facing K band speed sign is shooting 24.109/24.111..... depends on the detector. The east facing speed sign is shooting 24.116. At the start of the course, there's a store with a door opener shooting 24.172 today.

MRCD testing is a test of opportunity. There's not much I can control from the traps point of view. I can't control traffic, weather, reflections..... Things change from test to test. Every test see's some changes, but when your doing back to back tests, it helps to get a good overall picture of how they compare. I try to minimize the variable's, but there are always a few that can't be helped.

The MRCD rigs usually move every 2 hours. Once they move, you have to start all over again.

For those that are not familiar with what we face..... the traps antenna is always facing away from you. It gets it's speed reading after you've passed. We have no front plates, so the speed and picture is always at your ass end.

View attachment 161514

Detector Settings:

The detector settings is always something I have to consider. I do not like messing with filters if I can help it because everyone has a different level of tolerance of how much noise they are willing to put up with. Because of this, all the detectors were set at Highway Mode. I also wanted to see the effects of the TSF filter may... or may not have on the MRCD detection levels. I wanted them be as sensitive as I could make them. Just to get a good idea of what their maximum potential could be on this course, this day, against each other.

I ran both the Uniden's and Escorts with, and without TSF activated. I didn't bother with checking the effects of TSRej on the Pro-M. I've done that before on this FW and found that it had no impact on the MRCD or Gatso detection abilities. It's not a new FW from my last test.

Escort Live wasn't connected to any of the Escorts.

As I've already stated. This was as sensitive as I could make them.

The Testing:

Escort R360C

I've been waiting for this one. All the other testing has put it right in the mix on the normal radar detection. This is the same detector that @Brainstorm69 used in his Texas tests. It's @Vortex other R360C and they sent it to me. Thanks guys.
I re-formatted if, and checked to make sure it had the current FW. Since I haven't driven with it much in this area... and auto-learn was off... it was pretty chatty at first. You can hear just how polluted the test area is with K band. No matter... all the other detectors had to deal with the same conditions.

The R360C does pick up normal radar. Some false signals will punch through at times, and other times, the filtering totally ignores them. It's hit or miss with some things. I did do a run through this same area checking the K band reactivity to these same speed signs. They are part of my "Gauntlet Course" that I run through when ever I get a new detector, or a new FW. Not for testing distances... but just to see if they've changed reaction. It's a course that takes me 10 minutes to run and has 7 K Band Speed signs. I just ran it 2 days ago.

The R360C did not do well against MRCD.
Here's a comparison run I did before testing with the R360C and RC-M together to confirm that the MRCD trap was active. The noise you hear is the RC-M


Running the R360C by itself did not change the results.

3 runs with the R360C in Highway Mode/TSF off/ 3 runs with TSF on, failed to detect the MRCD trap. It didn't matter if MRCD/MRCT were on or not.
Here are the runs
Run 3 No TSF

Run 2 No TSF

Run 1 No TSF

I have seen it alert to a few MRCT RLC's but not with any consistency. Usually no alert. Runs with TSF on, didn't show any difference.


Escort Max 360C

This one did pretty good in my last MRCD test. Although it can not be used against MRCT, it was very good today.
TSF doesn't have any impact on MRCD detection.

Highway/TSF Off Reading 24.075
Run 1- 531.1 ft
Run 2 - 699.0 ft
Run 3 - 514.2ft

Run 2 TSF Off video

Highway/TSF On Reading 24.088 & 24.065
Run 1- 503.8ft
Run 2 - 631.7 ft
Run 3 - 669.7ft

Run 3 TSF On video

Escort Redline EX

Again, I'm not sure what they've done, but looking at my October 2018 testing, the R-EX was pretty good. Since then, they've gone backwards. I'm sure it has to be FW related. Still, they haven't fixed it. I'm not sure how they can be doing so well with the M360C, but shit the bed with the R360C and go backwards with the R-EX? I have offered. Up to them. @GailFromCedar

Highway TSF Off Reading 24,084
Run 1 - -212.9ft (In the kill zone)
Run 2 - No Alert
Run 3 - -81.2ft ( In the kill zone)

Highway TSF On Reading 24.088
Run 1 - -199.5ft (In the kill zone)
Run 2 - -108.1ft (In the Kill zone)
Run 3 - No Alert

Run 3 TSF Off video

Run 1 TSF On

Uniden R7

This is kind of a Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde kind of thing. TSF does have a major impact on the performance of MRCD detection. Without TSF... it's one of the best at MRCD detection. As soon as you turn TSF on.... big haircut. Still, even with TSF on, it never failed not to alert you before you hit the trap, but the difference was pretty dramatic.

Highway Mode/TSF Off Reading 24.068
Run 1 - 460.6ft
Run 2 - 612.6ft
Run 3 - 673.2ft

Run 3 TSF Off Video

HWY TSF On
Run 1 - 174.9ft
Run 2 - 267.4ft
Run 3 - 164.1ft

Run 2 TSF On Video

Uniden R3

This is sort of the same thing of the R7, but all over the place. It did have 1 hero run. If I had more time, and not racing the clock on how long the MRCD rig would stay there, I would've done a few more runs. I'm not a fan of FW 1.53. It's that good with TSF turned on. It did have the longest detection of the day.... but I'm not convince that there might have been a huge reflection to help it out. I'll post the video and you can see for yourself. The limit of the 3 runs doesn't, in my humble opinion, a true reflection of it's performance. The numbers are too far apart with TSF off. I should've done 5 or 7 runs. It's uncharacteristic when I compare it to my other MRCD tests with it. Look for yourself and see if you agree.

HWY TSF Off Reading 24.070
Run 1 - 943ft
Run 2 - 528.2ft
Run 3 - 158.0ft

Run 1 TSF off Video

Run 3 TSF Off Video

Hwy TSF On
Run 1 - No Alert
Run 2 - -143.8 (In Kill Zone)
Run 3 - No Alert

Hwy TSF On Run 2

Radenso Pro-M

The usual benchmark for MRCD detection. Today it got out gunned. Not by much, but today wasn't it's day. Then again, if you need to have TSF active, it came in 2nd to only the M360C.

I've left it on FW 22. Public is FW19. It just kicked ass against the Mesta Fusion Gatso, so I left it.
I tested it in Highway mode, but left TSRej on low since I already know that it has no effect on the modulated radar detection side. You can see it yourself if you go back and look at my past tests.
On Run 2, you'll get a chance to see the car in the other lane get a photo radar ticket. lol . The flash was pretty visible.

Hwy TSRej Low
Run 1 - 547.0
Run 2 - 523.2
Run 3 - 509.0

Run 2 video


In Conclusion:

Got lucky on the testing time. Big disappointment with the R360C. It has shown that it can pick up gatso and some MRCT RLC's but very rarely. I'm more surprised when it does it. I haven't all that long to get a better idea, but I'm not done testing it yet. If you need it for MRCD detection..... well... swing and a big miss. Hopefully it can be improved with FW. They've shown they can do it, but the R-EX and R360C are not something I would ever use.

Surprised just how much TSF effects the Uniden's abilities to detect MRCD. Again, it has to be a FW thing. The R3 has shown much better results if you use the earlier FW's. (1.46 to 1.50).

The Max 360C. Since it's initial hick-ups when it first came to me.... it's been impressive on the MRCD side of it. I'm not overly impressed with it's K and Ka range... but range isn't the only metric to measure a detector.

For MRCD Detection, I'd run the M360C, Pro-M, and R7.
The R3 would be doable on a different Fw. At least you have a choice to change it as you please.
No to the R360C and The R-EX with the current FW.
@JSherbondy
I believe you should be the Escort contact that could address the RL360c vs. Max 360c deficit on MRCD.
Seems like you may have a good template to follow for getting the RL360c up to speed.
Regards,
 

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@Heywood - great testing, as usual! Looks like Escort has a lot of work to do with the RL360c and MRCD. Very disappointing.
 

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@Heywood thank you for testing. Very nicely done! I hope Radenso sends you a unicorn early for some of this action. I'm hoping for 1200' average alerts and never under 400'. I don't even face any of this crap in my area but with our crooked politicians it's only a matter of time.
 

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